The LAF Games Workshop Discussion Thread

[Andrew May]

It wouldn't take that long to genetically select for muscles like that (in mad bonkers sci fi) didn't the fluff have some iffy explanation of house Escher, like their "menfolk" were all bed-ridden flimsy fellows?

[beefcake]

yep

[Mr Brown]

On the subject of the 500 pages (and growing), we've recently had a number of threads closed where it would, in my opinion at least, have been beneficial to keep separate.

Consider the Necromunda thread. There is product to discuss and information on new rules structures. People interested in discussing this have to wade through a lot of bumf on here to find something which is pertinent to their gaming. Now I'm not looking to start an argument or anything, but it may be worth reconsidering how best to allow future discussion of GW games. Whether personally you like them or not, a load of people play and want to discuss in a positive manner. I appreciate that there are some who will try their best to derail any thread into needless GW bashing and that this in some way curtails that but it's not helping long term is it? Particularly given the recent increases in positive discussion.

Whilst not an ideal situation either, can those that be, consider having at least sub threads for individual GW games to allow meaningful discussion on those specific games and allow this to be for 'general' discussion? Again, I appreciate that this may lead to some cross posting but that happens a lot with a fair chunk of other games on this page anyway.

[Westfalia Chris]

On the subject of the 500 pages (and growing), we've recently had a number of threads closed where it would, in my opinion at least, have been beneficial to keep separate.

Consider the Necromunda thread. There is product to discuss and information on new rules structures. People interested in discussing this have to wade through a lot of bumf on here to find something which is pertinent to their gaming. Now I'm not looking to start an argument or anything, but it may be worth reconsidering how best to allow future discussion of GW games. Whether personally you like them or not, a load of people play and want to discuss in a positive manner. I appreciate that there are some who will try their best to derail any thread into needless GW bashing and that this in some way curtails that but it's not helping long term is it? Particularly given the recent increases in positive discussion.

Whilst not an ideal situation either, can those that be, consider having at least sub threads for individual GW games to allow meaningful discussion on those specific games and allow this to be for 'general' discussion? Again, I appreciate that this may lead to some cross posting but that happens a lot with a fair chunk of other games on this page anyway.

As far as I know, there is no actual Necromunda product yet, so discussing rules would most likely be idle speculation. One the product has been released or is imminent, specific threads on rule discussion and miniatures as well as actual hobby projects will be more than welcome.

Time and again discussions like these escalated to lockdown level quickly simply because there was nothing actual to discuss. With GW in particular, it seemed to always bring out the worst. In light of why we installed the GW thread in the first place, I am not inclined to get down that road again.

[Mr Brown]

Ok fair enough.

Product has been shown officially be GW and includes both painted and unpainted versions of at least 4 models to show the two factions in the new starter box. There have also been a number of statements by GW on their official media feeds to give an insight into the rules they are planning.

I can't see how this is any different from discussing a new planned Osprey rule set for example. Ok I can see the argument that the authors for some of these games actually comment on the threads in question but it seems like there isn't consistency. 

[Westfalia Chris]

Ok fair enough.

Product has been shown officially be GW and includes both painted and unpainted versions of at least 4 models to show the two factions in the new starter box. There have also been a number of statements by GW on their official media feeds to give an insight into the rules they are planning.

I can't see how this is any different from discussing a new planned Osprey rule set for example. Ok I can see the argument that the authors for some of these games actually comment on the threads in question but it seems like there isn't consistency.  

Duplicate threads get locked, too, regardless of topic. Intersecting threads are decided on a case-by-case basis. And blatantly, Osprey Games never caused us to have to moderate several dozen threads all dripping with GW bashing and blatant personal attacks. The scope and scale of argument the discussion of GW Topics incited, unless there was actually a Project behind it, was unparalleled and let to the concentration of "discussion of pre-release topics and general GW policy" in a single thread.

To repeat, once the release is imminent, I'd say a specific Necromunda discussion thread is fair game. Once people actually know what they are discussing. GW, their fans and foes are why we cannot have nice things.

People should also remember that, while the vast majority of members appreciate good GW-related projects on artistic merit alone, the LAF never had a dominant Games Workshop focus.

[Nord]

There's a classic discussion over on dakka, about whether the new necromunda figures scale with the old, about how people like/dislike the snippets of rules, and (classic) the moral implications of producing figures with peaked hoods, even though there's been no reveal as yet on new figures. Is that the kind of thing you want to discuss?  

Personally, I think a separate thread would be an appropriate place to froth/ponder/complain, it doesn't make sense to me having a giant 500 page thread on absolutely everything GW. There isn't a similar one for Warlord/Perry/Victrix/whoever - and GW are now producing a bigger range of product which, to my mind, merit their own discussion.

My tuppence.

[AWu]

To be honest that would be awesome in comparison with reducing whole Necromunda discussion to "why our thread was closed and we got dumped to silly 500 page GW general thread about nothing where old timers have funny yet not very relevant chats*" I see here..

 this move kinda killed the N discussion anyway..


*(I have pleasure reading such chats but they are hardly relevant to Necromunda news and nobody will find any information they are looking for browsing through whole thread  from hell you we here)

[The Gray Ghost]

GW does that so you have to go out and buy all new figures

   aside from the annoyance of older figures gradually looking weirder and more out of place next to newer stuff.  Just not a fan of figures who make The Hulk look well-proportioned. 

[Tactalvanic]

Necromunda reboot looks really promising so far, but I really want to get my hands on it before judging it.

I guess simply put once product is available, as with AOS - people will post happily with lots of separate threads and discussions as normal depicting what they do with the product, opinions and work etc.

AOS cleanly falls under Fantasy stuff, and not Future war stuff or similar I know. But

I like much of what people have posted about AOS and some of it has changed my opinion of it slightly. A lot of it is frankly showing stunning work and really interesting battle reports, with others providing excellent critique of its failings.

But all the different things people are doing with it, does not to me work as part of a single AOS thread, nor is there really enough to push it into its own sub-forum? others may differ with me there of course.

I guess similar with Necromunda reboot to be the honest.

If its really popular, once its out that it merits similar treatment to say Frostgrave maybe gets  a subsection of its own, that's fair too. And welcome.

Otherwise  lots of peoples posts start appearing in Future Wars section or whatever

Or even maybe a  "GW Specialist games" section for all the special GW stuff, who knows.

I can understand it in that anything GW does can generate lots of varied views and opinions and to a greater extent why its possibly better to keep a lid on it until full release of the game
 
We are all very passionate about our hobby, and that shows sometimes in how quickly some discussions escalate in unexpected directions. so maybe a little limiting for a short period until there's more than mostly speculation and titbits to work on is ok?

Especially when involving GW. This master thread although not perfect, has for a long time worked mostly very well in containing the passions they stir, good and bad, in a lot of us.

I really look forward to seeing what others do with Necromunda when it's released. In lots of separate posts.

But what I really want to see is New Epic stuff though, but sadly that's going 8mm anyway.

[DivisMal]

To be honest that would be awesome in comparison with reducing whole Necromunda discussion to "why our thread was closed and we got dumped to silly 500 page GW general thread about nothing where old timers have funny yet not very relevant chats*" I see here..

 this move kinda killed the N discussion anyway..


*(I have pleasure reading such chats but they are hardly relevant to Necromunda news and nobody will find any information they are looking for browsing through whole thread  from hell you we here)

Well, as much as I do understand the concerns and reasons for locking down the Necromunda thread, this step also for me has killed the discussion. Instead of some nostalgic blabla about the best/worst of Necromunda now/then, it's now part of a 500+ pages monster on everything GW.

If it was just a mere rumor thread, I would have understood, but to bring a prominent example, Necromunda is very much in the same stage (or more advanced since they got actually painted minis) than the Batman game currently developed by Monolith and the latest Frostgrave stuff. Yet both are not mixed up (with Conan, Mythic Battles or Dracula's America and everything Northstar/Osprey).

[chamberlain]

I've only been lurking for a while, but I've noticed that when people post something they did hobby wise they can discuss any aspect of it they want and things stay civil and productive.  If you've got something to say about the new necromunda, make some sci-fi urban terrain and put a paragraph in there.  I think people will respond well to both the terrain and the discussion in treads like that.  I've just noticed a trend on any message board related to GW that discussing in a vacuum is where the fighting happens while discussing in relation to hobby activity is where respectful dialogue happens.

[Wirelizard]

I've only been lurking for a while, but I've noticed that when people post something they did hobby wise they can discuss any aspect of it they want and things stay civil and productive.  If you've got something to say about the new necromunda, make some sci-fi urban terrain and put a paragraph in there.  I think people will respond well to both the terrain and the discussion in treads like that.  I've just noticed a trend on any message board related to GW that discussing in a vacuum is where the fighting happens while discussing in relation to hobby activity is where respectful dialogue happens.

^^^ That right there. That's why this thread exists and why the mods do those mod things that they do. There's a metric tonne of GW-related hobby threads bubbling along quite productively all over LAF, the straight discussion stuff gets funneled here.

[Dr Mathias]

I've only been lurking for a while, but I've noticed that when people post something they did hobby wise they can discuss any aspect of it they want and things stay civil and productive.  If you've got something to say about the new necromunda, make some sci-fi urban terrain and put a paragraph in there.  I think people will respond well to both the terrain and the discussion in treads like that.  I've just noticed a trend on any message board related to GW that discussing in a vacuum is where the fighting happens while discussing in relation to hobby activity is where respectful dialogue happens.

You seem very reasonable for a Skeksis

[chamberlain]

I wonder if the new Necromunda rules will end up being close enough to either Shadow War: Armageddon or 40k 2nd edition that it'd be easy enough to use that as a basis for a Skeksis, Garthim and Crystal Bat (well, maybe some poling slaves as well) warband.  Got to keep that prophecy from coming true.  Even in the 41st millennium.

Though my local gaming people have figured out that 8th edition 40k and then that Age of Sigmar skirmish supplement work pretty well together.  It's a bit more relaxed and less tactical than shadow war with its pinning mechanic punishing mistakes so thoroughly.