From Closet Gamer's 40K orks topic:
I just kind of like their models. *shrug*
Me too, for the most part.
They just make it pretty difficult to.
Explain it to me please how a bit of polystyrene commands such a price?
'Cos GW now consider their target market (again without any market research) to be 'collectors', who will pay any price in order to own these, and I quote Tom Kirby: 'jewel-like items of wonder'.
I know that GW do look on this site for feedback.
News to me. You'd think that if they looked for feedback on forums, they'd pay a bit more attention to all the astonishment and frustration that meets their decisions, especially on forums that have more than half a dozen GW-related topics per week. Maybe then they wouldn't seem so clueless about their dwindling profits.
:yawn:
I don't see what the issue is. Buy a box of minis for £25, assemble/convert them, base them, paint them. If you get that done in a month and I'll be impressed. I used to spend £40 a month on cigarettes!
Not really fair, Andrew. Fine if you
are 'just' a collector or non-GW gamer with the disposable income to drop on a GW box that catches your fancy, once in a blue moon. I've done that myself. But if you're trying to build up an army, especially with a certain faction or conversion project; if that £25 box contains about five human-sized minis, and you need at least two for a proper unit (a complaint I often see leveled at the £3.50-a-pop witch elves); if you have to continue that kind of spending across most of your army, which practically needs to be bigger and bigger with the last few editions of both core games; and if you then have to buy the enormous, pricey rulebook, army book, and whatever additional DLC you need to make your army halfway competitive... I've seen a few people put the guts of a grand - or more - price tag on the whole thing.
That's not to mention the fact that the quality of the general and army-specific rules is highly debateable; and given how quickly 40K 7th ed appeared, and the rumours of massive shakeups for the future WFB 9th ed, nobody's really sure how much of their army or it's 'meta' might be invalidated, or when, if they even have it assembled by then with 'one box per month or longer'. I keep seeing these factors, individually or together, as the reasons many recently disillusioned GW gamers gave up on the two core games. Closet Gamer's reaction is nothing new to me.
(And yeah, I get a bit frustrated myself, with folk who have to keep up with the latest editions of the BRB and army books, but in some discussions I've seen, some gamers are [or feel] restricted to GW stores or 'that kind' of gaming group, or even just to the particular style of rules GW uses.)
third there are loads more people making orks than GW. Kromlech and mantic both spring to mind.
Yup. There are also rule sets compatible with 40K style minis, that don't demand quite so high a model count. If you don't have a previous, smaller-scale edition of 40K, I'd point out
ViDe:FuCo and
Rogue Planet by our own Agis and VoodooInk, respectively. Heck, I'd point them out anyway.
20 June 2008, 06:41:42 PM