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Offline smirnoff

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Train 'Empress Of India' from NWF Film?
« on: November 04, 2013, 04:05:33 PM »
Gents
Anyone know what type of engine was used in the Kenneth Moore/Lauren Bacall 'North West Frontier' film please?

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Re: Train 'Empress Of India' from NWF Film?
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2013, 05:10:17 PM »
I thought it was a little tank engine...
From Wikipedia ....

Filming[edit]
Location scenes filming in India took place at the Amber Fort, in Rajasthan.
Some of the rail sequences were shot in southern Spain in the province of Granada. The area's dry arid steppes was used to portray British India. Parts of the railway, which are now abandoned, traversed the northern part of the Sierra Nevada between Guadix and Baza.[4] The ending was filmed at Barrio Primero De Mayo station at 37°23′45.27″N 3°31′39.75″W.
An article entitled Railway Films of the Raj by Ray Ellis was published with the Indian Railway Study Group Newsletter No.9 in January 1993. It stated:
A large part of this film was shot on location in Spain, on the 5'6" gauge Zafra-Huelva Railway, of the RENFE. Originally built by a British Company, the line runs parallel with the Spanish-Portuguese border, and has some spectacular bridges and some very Indian looking scenery. The little tank engine used "Empress of India" is one of four 0-6-0T's built by Kerr Stuart (works nos 713,714,715 & 725) in 1900 for the South of Spain Railway, and later RENFE 030.0209-212. The engine used being modified to look more like a locomotive filmed in India, which included the fitting of 'chopper' couplings.
For filming sequences on the sound stage at Pinewood Studios, London, full size replicas of the locomotive, rolling stock and part of the bridge were constructed, with Pinewoods usual remarkable accuracy.
Some scenes were also filmed in India using metre gauge trains, somewhere near Jaipur. These include the departure of the 'refugee' train and the scenes where the 'escape' train catches up and passes the 'refugee' train. The 'refugee' train is hauled by an OJ class 4-4-0 (built by Bagnall in 1943) and the 'escape' train is hauled by a TJ class 0-6-0T (built by Bagnell in 1942, and sent to India, despite having been ordered by a steelworks in Turkey!). This later engine was also heavily modified to look more like the modified locomotive used in Spain.

So should be easy to mod something up - that's what the film makers did!!

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Re: Train 'Empress Of India' from NWF Film?
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2013, 05:12:05 PM »
Thank you Emir
I am in your debt....

Offline Hobbit

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Re: Train 'Empress Of India' from NWF Film?
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2013, 08:01:12 PM »
Was going to say steam... lol

Offline Emir of Askaristan

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Re: Train 'Empress Of India' from NWF Film?
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2013, 08:18:23 PM »
Aw shucks, all I did was look.
To be honest I remembered the film and Herbert Lom, Wilfred Hyde White...now I want to see it again, on a Saturday afternoon of course !

Have fun with the train, and do post your efforts!

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Re: Train 'Empress Of India' from NWF Film?
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2013, 11:44:51 PM »
Well you looked harder than me Emir....

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Re: Train 'Empress Of India' from NWF Film?
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2013, 04:48:13 PM »
Useful information there, Emir. I'm in the early stages of building a Colonial meter-gauge train set up for gaming in 28mm, starting with a little 0-6-0T. Having a loco builder's name like Kerr Stuart to use adds verisimilitude to the whole atmosphere. Thanks for sharing.  :)
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Re: Train 'Empress Of India' from NWF Film?
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2013, 05:36:48 PM »
Traveller Man, how are you going about building the 0-6-0T?

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Re: Train 'Empress Of India' from NWF Film?
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2013, 03:55:01 PM »
Traveller Man, how are you going about building the 0-6-0T?

It's trial and error at the moment.  lol 

I bought a toy British 0-6-0T dating from the 60's off eBay. The toy is cast metal, looks pretty good for its kind, and is almost HO scale. A bit of measurement showed it to fit a 28mm version of a meter-gauge prototype almost exactly. I disassembled it and made a silicon mold of the body and the wheels. From these I made a resin casting of the body which I chopped about some to get a form I liked. With a mold I can cast others and chop and change them to get armoured locos and so on at need.

I increased the height of the smokestack and I'm in the process of building a cab from plastic card. If I can figure out how to post photos on here I'll do so. Otherwise check out my blog.  :)

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Re: Train 'Empress Of India' from NWF Film?
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2013, 06:21:08 PM »
Thanks
Had a look at the blog...looks good
Don't suppose you are thinking of a short production run...?

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Re: Train 'Empress Of India' from NWF Film?
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2013, 06:31:55 PM »
Thanks
Had a look at the blog...looks good
Don't suppose you are thinking of a short production run...?

Hadn't thought of it, but I can do that. PM me and we can discus it.

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Re: Train 'Empress Of India' from NWF Film?
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2013, 06:41:07 AM »
PM sent...

Offline FramFramson

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Re: Train 'Empress Of India' from NWF Film?
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2013, 05:14:48 AM »
I must be thick, I couldn't find the trains anywhere on that blog?


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Offline Traveler Man

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Re: Train 'Empress Of India' from NWF Film?
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2013, 03:51:15 AM »
Try here...

http://ajstable.blogspot.com/2013/10/locomotive-and-track.html

It's the beginnings of the intended railway for my colonial campaign - just a tank engine body and a stretch of track so far. I bought some boxwood today to make goods vans/box cars from.

 

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