New 28mm Mesoamerican Aztecs from Gringo40s

[Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye]

If you are going to be particular then it would be better to give proper and full text descriptions rather than vague google links. Dimensions, number of blades, thongs and use of, etc.

For example, that first link seems to show two types of weapon. Should it have 3 or 4 blades on each side, or maybe both are acceptable?

[gringo]

good thinking Sir Barnaby.......to be honest i will get  quite a few types done .the long ..the short..and the fat!!

im sure the weapons dumps used by the Aztecs contained all sizes and
shapes and various woods as other tribes paid tribute as only they could.
still ir would be good to have as may veried types of weapons ..the
"hockey sticks" as well as all the unusal semi-documented types

regards
Ged
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[gringo]

and a stunning paintjob of an eagle warrior again by Angel

[Lowtardog]

good thinking Sir Barnaby.......to be honest i will get  quite a few types done .the long ..the short..and the fat!!

im sure the weapons dumps used by the Aztecs contained all sizes and
shapes and various woods as other tribes paid tribute as only they could.
still ir would be good to have as may veried types of weapons ..the
"hockey sticks" as well as all the unusal semi-documented types

regards
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
www.gringo40s.blogspot.com

I think all are right, there is not right and wrong of it, the maqahitl could be in various lengths, one was almost halberd like and it depended upon the fighting style of the warrior (where more adept) whilst for commoners they had armouries in each district so may depend upon the armourer/weapon maker.

It is the classic weapon and I think Bowman was alluding polietly that the axe isnt something that has been seen really in the codeces (not GW mind you   )

Lovely looking figures btw

Perhaps the best known ancient Aztec weapon is the maquahuitl (macahuitl).  This is sometimes compared to the sword, and it was a powerful, close contact weapon.  Like the European sword, they came in two varieties - one handed and two handed.  Made from wood (usually oak), they were about 3-4" wide and 3-4' long.  The two handed versions might be slightly wider and as tall as a person.  Embedded in the edges was obsidian (volcanic stone) or flint.

The maquahuitls were incredibly strong, and the Spanish claimed they could chop the head off a horse with one blow.  They were sharp and the Aztecs knew how to use them.  They could not thrust like a sword, and so they lent themselves to a different type of warfare.

The picture of a maquahuitl is from The Book of the Sword by Richard Burton.  Most likely the maquahuitl usually had simpler grips.
 
Clubs
 
The maquahuitl could be used as a club, but other types of clubs were used.  The cuauhololli was a mace made of wood with a ball at the end.  It could be used to smash and crush.  Various other types of clubs were commonly used, sometimes just made of wood, other times with embedded stone as the maquahuitl.
 
Spears and lances
 
Another common ancient Aztec weapon was the spear.  They were extremely sharp, and sometimes over 7 feet long.  They didn't have a small point as many spears you may be familiar with, but a blade a foot wide made of smaller stone blades.  Theses spears were known to pierce the Spanish armour, and were sharp enough that the warriors could use them to shave.  They are called tepoztopilli.  Spears were used in Mexico long before the Aztec empire.


Huitzauhqui
 
A Huitzauhqui was an ancient Aztec weapon, that was essentially a large wooden club, with a solid body which featured the head and the handle. Another melee weapon of the Aztec the Huitzauhqui was used in close quarters and was typically larger than the Macuahuiti, and in many cases had similar obsidian blades attached



Quauhololli
 
The Quauhololli was essentially a mace or club, typically made from either wood or a combination of wood and stone. The Quauhololli was a melee weapon used by the Aztec and featured a curved handle for ease of striking, and with the mace head, was able to strike foes with solid force.

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Cracking thread on the subject here

http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=4928
 

[gringo]

bowman

im afraid i didnt hear the sonic boom as the jet flew overhead on bowmans polite comment thought he was alluding to the "broadsword"
thanks for the helpfull commnets on the magahiti as mentioned i will
do as many weapons as i can no doubt a few "suspect ones will creep in
not through lack of effort i assure you

these figures are only pro-forma as i have had some altered /trimmed down and re-jigged ......they are being worked on as i speak

pleased  your happy with the figures........

regards]
Ged
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[cdm]

Do a search for +macuahuitl +armeria in google, enjoy, read

[gringo]

cdm

cheers for that ....the spear "Tepoztopilli" is intersting a great shame
the last Macuahuitl/maguahuitl was destroyed in the fire in Madrid.
the square Aztec shield is of interest.not seen that before
still building my images ..two handed briadswords.......moving on to the
axes now ..and any other unusal weapons i can find

regards
Ged
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[Bowman]

For example, that first link seems to show two types of weapon. Should it have 3 or 4 blades on each side, or maybe both are acceptable?

You are assuming a level of uniformity of weapons manufacturing that did not occur in what were esentially stone age cultures. The number of blades were also dependent on the size of the maquahuitl......something also not of uniform consideration.

The new photograph shows an appropriate weapon, as opposed to the previous figures.

[Bowman]

Do a search for +macuahuitl +armeria in google, enjoy, read

But surely these examples were not indicative of the actual weapons. Both weapons look unusually ornate, as befitting a gift or "showpiece" weapon. Plus, the armeria tepoztopilli was only 3 feet long.

[gringo]

all three shots together on one thread........

[Captain Blood]

To be honest i will get  quite a few types done .the long ..the short..and the fat!!

Are you beginning to wish you'd never started this Ged?

[gringo]

trouble at mill with posting pics back to the drawing board

at present compiling a list of all possible weapons used
by the Aztecs based on every source i can find and with
the ilustrious and illustrated help of my LAF mates...getting
there..

regards
Ged
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question the copper headed axes mentioned thoughout the many narratives ive read and "bought "/traded by some of the conquistadors
as "cheap gold" these intrique me as there does seem to be a gap
the "axe" knowledge of the period and as many of the rank and file
are supposed to have used them..hence my take on the axe in the hand of the eagel warrior.......

[Captain Blood]

trouble at mill

Ay lad. Call out t'yeomanry 

[Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye]

But surely these examples were not indicative of the actual weapons. Both weapons look unusually ornate, as befitting a gift or "showpiece" weapon. Plus, the armeria tepoztopilli was only 3 feet long.

My point:

Instead of pointing vaguely to google, which no doubt has been done already, why not provide the appropriate textual descriptions of what you think would be accurate representations rather than popping up after they are made to criticize them.

[gringo]

Richard

hello matey..............i dont mind and as you know about me
i always make 100pct effort in my ranges which as you also
know cost an arm and a leg to produce...but hey im in it for
the fun of it and will happily take on board all advise but will
do what i want in the end to produce as effective a range as i can
and the guys are only trying to help!!

would love that rogue Aztec IF you set a second!!

best regards
Ged
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