(KICKSTARTER) DUST TACTICS Operation Babylon

[manic _miner]

 I had seen a post on FB about the items being packaged up and ready to ship out.Showed a few photo's too.

[Predatorpt]

I had seen a post on FB about the items being packaged up and ready to ship out.Showed a few photo's too.

Yeah, Paolo Parent posted photos of some containers being filled up at their factory in China. Now they need to be shipped to Battlefront 

[Devoted of Slaanesh]

Man, this went so wrong in a very bad manner... I am so sorry for taking part in this KS.

[Redmao]

It would be nice of them if they could post any update on the actual campaign page for every backers to see instead of on Facebook.

[General M@yhem]

It would be nice of them if they could post any update on the actual campaign page for every backers to see instead of on Facebook.

Absolutely. I see another poor sod is getting a hammering on FB for daring to ask the 'wrong' questions.

[Predatorpt]

It would be nice of them if they could post any update on the actual campaign page for every backers to see instead of on Facebook.

Unfortunatel the KS page is run by Battlefront, and the Facebook one is by Paolo Parente, so you don't get the information on both sites at the same time (or sometimes you don't get any information anywhere, or just desinformation on one, insults in the other...it's complicated) 

[obsidian3d]

Bleh...I'm still missing about 2/3 of my stuff ($400 US-ish). I really wish I had skipped this one. So many times over I have wished such.

[Redmao]

I really wish I had skipped this one. So many times over I have wished such.

So do I.
Nothing seems to be moving once again. Looks like ever since they made payment, Battlefront have left this sinking ship.
When Dust Studio asked for our email addresses to "help us get our pledges", you'd think that they would now use them to keep us informed of what's going instead of relying on Facebook.

[Devoted of Slaanesh]

This is getting ridiculous - so called Wave 2 is sailing to BF/USA, god knows what's inside and when it will reach Europe after. They are talking for Wave 3 but when and what... And meanwhile Dust are selling on pre-order new models and models we were supposed to get last year at this time... Those models we paid in advance to get fast. Needles to say, they will not see a penny from me until I get all I have paid for!
Shame on both companies - Battlefraud and Dust cheaters!!!

[rwwin]

Anyone going to Gencon can complain in person.  Paolo is going to be in the CMON booth:

http://cmon.com/paolo-parente-and-dust-studio-at-cmon-booth-for-gen-con-indy-2015/

[Redmao]

I'm wondering if they'll announce that CMON will become their new (third) distributor or if he's just tagging along.
Since some stuff is on the boat, I guess he doesn't feel any shame in parading around to push his new line, the one the backers paid for and are still waiting for after a year.

[DS615]

The "backers" gave money to get the product made, period.
It's not a pre-order system.  Stop thinking it is.
Getting stuff from the KS is a bonus, not the point.

[FramFramson]

The "backers" gave money to get the product made, period.
It's not a pre-order system.  Stop thinking it is.
Getting stuff from the KS is a bonus, not the point.

Actually Kickstarter has slowly been changing their rules and policies to acknowledge that they really are effectively a pre-order service at this point. And government commercial regulation is looking at them this way more and more. Example: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/06/11/the-ftcs-first-crowdfunding-enforcement-is-over-a-failed-board-game-on-kickstarter/

The idea of crowd-sourced investment is a good one, but in practice this is simply not what KS is anymore.

[pws]

The idea of crowd-sourced investment is a good one, but in practice this is simply not what KS is anymore.

I did not pledged for this KS, but I totally agree, at least for games... KS is now a pre-order system.
It has been mis-used this way a lot of times, most of them prices were not even so cheap, just barely under market price.
The fault is not merely of KS  but ours, we (all gamers) should avoid to pledge to this "pre-order false funding", that's simple.
Crowfunding is a good idea.
Ciao

[Shieldwolf Miniatures]

"...I totally agree, at least for games... KS is now a pre-order system.
It has been mis-used this way a lot of times, most of them prices were not even so cheap, just barely under market price..."

I do not mean to derail the subject but... Allow me to disagree.  Not for the prices but for the pre-order system. We for example have the funds to create half sprue plastics. We do not want that; we want to continue in manufacturing full sprues instead. That is not a preorder. Without crowdfunding we will genuinely have to wait many many years before collecting the additional funds should we still want to keep the product at the highest level. Not to mention Kickstarter occupies some of the best sculptors, meaning while we have had both the will and funds to pay upfront in order to put product in the market for retail, we had to wait for sculptors over a year because they had been booked for kickstarter projects that would deliver in a year or something!  Not to mention the ridiculously overdue projects that have gone even double that time... 
For the prices you mentioned I'll agree, there are projects selling e.g. goblins at a higher cost of what we are selling them at retail! And we are talking about top of the line quality and detail, so not even that can be justified!
As for using funds to pay existing debt... that's a whole new scenario that had never even crossed our simple designed minds! 

The fault is not merely of KS  but ours, we (all gamers) should avoid to pledge to this "pre-order false funding", that's simple.
Crowdfunding is a good idea.

I'll agree.  Hopefully as years go by -and this is not an indirect hit to anyone, merely speaking my mind-, projects that have failed in the past will stop receiving support from backers. It's very wrong when honest creators -a pc game project that recently failed comes to mind- do not receive backing because the same funds have gone (again) to other creators that have proved incapable, not to mention those who have not even completed their projects yet keep on launching more and more...