*

Recent Topics

Author Topic: Czech Legion Self 'Armoured' Trains  (Read 11746 times)

Offline smirnoff

  • Mad Scientist
  • Posts: 974
Czech Legion Self 'Armoured' Trains
« on: 21 May 2014, 09:26:25 PM »
I’ve found these photo’s on the web of Czech Legion self converted ‘armoured’ trains. I don’t know if they are all correct.
I’d be interested if anyone has a view on them and whether there are any more photo’s of these home made trains out there:











Offline cuprum

  • Scatterbrained Genius
  • Posts: 2608
  • The East is a delicate matter!
    • Studio "Siberia"
Re: Czech Legion Self 'Armoured' Trains
« Reply #1 on: 22 May 2014, 01:45:09 AM »
All photos attributed correctly except the bottom. On the lower photo rail wagon - "teplushka" in which Czechs have lived almost all during his stay in Siberia.

Here still photo of improvised armored trains Czechoslovaks:















Shop of figurines and models from Russian manufacturers: http://www.siberia-miniatures.ru

Offline smirnoff

  • Mad Scientist
  • Posts: 974
Re: Czech Legion Self 'Armoured' Trains
« Reply #2 on: 22 May 2014, 09:43:25 AM »
Thanks Cuprum
Plenty of visual information there for a build
'On the lower photo rail wagon - "teplushka" in which Czechs have lived almost all during his stay in Siberia.
So is this a static carriage used for living in?

Offline cuprum

  • Scatterbrained Genius
  • Posts: 2608
  • The East is a delicate matter!
    • Studio "Siberia"
Re: Czech Legion Self 'Armoured' Trains
« Reply #3 on: 22 May 2014, 10:27:24 AM »
These carriages were equipped as housing. They can stand for some time at railway sidings, but when the military unit was transferred to another place - they were leaving together with his "home".

Offline smirnoff

  • Mad Scientist
  • Posts: 974
Re: Czech Legion Self 'Armoured' Trains
« Reply #4 on: 22 May 2014, 11:00:09 AM »
Thanks Cuprum, quite fancy trying the paint job on the side of the carriage

Offline smirnoff

  • Mad Scientist
  • Posts: 974
Re: Czech Legion Self 'Armoured' Trains
« Reply #5 on: 22 May 2014, 11:30:43 AM »
A few more painted carriage examples:









Offline smirnoff

  • Mad Scientist
  • Posts: 974
Re: Czech Legion Self 'Armoured' Trains
« Reply #6 on: 23 May 2014, 04:27:33 PM »
Found this site which shows some reconstructions of the trains:
http://www.bvv.cz/en/idet/news2/great-presentation-legionaries-at-idet-legiovlak-i/

This shot shows how an armoured car was mounted on the train:



and presumably an orginal:



Many of the reconstructions on the net have the carriages painted in this colour:



Accurate?

And there is this excellent shot of an interior (no idea if this is an original):

« Last Edit: 23 May 2014, 04:35:32 PM by smirnoff »

Offline H.M.Stanley

  • Scatterbrained Genius
  • Posts: 2813
Re: Czech Legion Self 'Armoured' Trains
« Reply #7 on: 23 May 2014, 05:01:52 PM »
I am sooo going to get round to my armoured train for the  Warlord Chinese!!

Great photos fellas
"Ho, ho, ho! Well, if it isn't fat stinking billy goat Billy Boy in poison! How art thou, thou globby bottle of cheap, stinking chip oil? Come and get one in the yarbles, if ya have any yarbles, you eunuch jelly thou!"

Offline cuprum

  • Scatterbrained Genius
  • Posts: 2608
  • The East is a delicate matter!
    • Studio "Siberia"
Re: Czech Legion Self 'Armoured' Trains
« Reply #8 on: 23 May 2014, 05:52:47 PM »
Compelled to disappoint you - the armored car is not real. This is a replica.

Wagons "teplushka" Russian Railways did have a similar color, but somewhat darker. Reddish brown.


Offline smirnoff

  • Mad Scientist
  • Posts: 974
Re: Czech Legion Self 'Armoured' Trains
« Reply #9 on: 23 May 2014, 06:58:21 PM »
When you say 'not real' what do you mean Cuprum?
The original black and white image is inaccurate (i.e.the Legion did not mount/transport any armoured cars on flatbed carriages) or that the modern armoured car is a fake?
Thanks for the colour reference.

Offline cuprum

  • Scatterbrained Genius
  • Posts: 2608
  • The East is a delicate matter!
    • Studio "Siberia"
Re: Czech Legion Self 'Armoured' Trains
« Reply #10 on: 23 May 2014, 07:04:45 PM »
This armored car - copy. This armored vehicle manufactured ​​by Czech reenactors.

Offline smirnoff

  • Mad Scientist
  • Posts: 974
Re: Czech Legion Self 'Armoured' Trains
« Reply #11 on: 23 May 2014, 07:06:52 PM »
Thanks
Thought it looked a bit shiny.....
But they did move/use ACs mounted on flatbeds?


Offline juergen c. olk

  • Supporting Adventurer
  • Scatterbrained Genius
  • *
  • Posts: 2422
Re: Czech Legion Self 'Armoured' Trains
« Reply #12 on: 23 May 2014, 11:29:28 PM »
WoW! Thanx,time to start building. Way to deliver on the photos.

Offline ts

  • Scientist
  • Posts: 259
Re: Czech Legion Self 'Armoured' Trains
« Reply #13 on: 24 May 2014, 03:20:51 AM »
The Czechs put armoured cars on flat cars both for transport and as train "guns".
If the armoured cars had been damaged, ie. lost a wheel or had mechanic problems, they could still be of good use on flat cars.

Some of the pictures here are have already been posted, but I have repeated them, where I had some texts to describe the content.

Some of the photos here shall maybe not be with armoured Czech trains, then they can be removed.

The first armoured train with the name of Orlik


The crashed Orlik 1 with Austin armoured car 31-5-1918


In the background Orlik 1.


On the roof of Orlik 1 in Ufa,  July 1918.


Inside Orlik 1.

The second armoured train with the name of Orlik





In Simbirsk.


Seems to be Orlik 2.


Orlik 2 near Irkutsk.

Improvised Czech trains



Primitive armoured train built for further action around Vladivostok.

Armoured cars on flatcars







2 armoured cars taken in Penzaon 28-5-1918 by the 1st Czech Regiment.





Czechs in Russia


Czechoslovak legionnaires at the railway-station in Tomsk


CzechLegioninSiberiaatTrainSidingNjazepetrovskaja
Czech Legion in Siberia at a side track in Njazepetrovskaja


Czech cavalry.


Czech artillery - around Vladivostok?  At least the type new caps are in use.








Armoured train wagon in Barnaul.


Czechs on the railway station in Penza surrender their arms after agreement with Moscow.







Czech armoured car of type Jeffery Poplavko


Armoured car Jeffery-Poplavko, deployed in May and June 1919 by the Czechoslovak troops of the 3rd Division at a village nearf Narva. Many cars seem to had the name"Janosik". The Czech marking consisted of only a white ribbon painted on the rear and probably were on both front and rear also painted the number "91".



« Last Edit: 25 May 2014, 09:06:04 PM by ts »

Offline cuprum

  • Scatterbrained Genius
  • Posts: 2608
  • The East is a delicate matter!
    • Studio "Siberia"
Re: Czech Legion Self 'Armoured' Trains
« Reply #14 on: 24 May 2014, 05:26:42 AM »
Czech armored cars marking not white, and white and red stripe.


 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
9 Replies
4778 Views
Last post 11 April 2008, 09:44:31 AM
by Poliorketes
1 Replies
2833 Views
Last post 14 August 2009, 06:26:55 PM
by Mosstrooper
20 Replies
15749 Views
Last post 11 April 2010, 08:09:46 PM
by former user
53 Replies
18651 Views
Last post 22 May 2014, 05:04:10 PM
by cuprum
4 Replies
3084 Views
Last post 01 November 2010, 12:04:30 PM
by Poliorketes