FURY new Brad Pitt WWII film

[Silent Invader]

Maybe they also employed a bunch of short extras for shots alongside the tanks - so the tanks don't seem 'small' (public conception being that they were/are huge?)?.

[former user]

interesting idea.... and the large ones for the tents?

the screenshots I have taken show the soldiers that take cover behind the tanks look smallish indeed....


maybe someone with the appropriate collection would like to reconstruct the shot and find out....

[Constable Bertrand]

Quick! Base that tank to make it look right!           

[FramFramson]

Interesting.

For reference, Google Images gives us some good shots of Hellcats with people to show how they might relate:











Also, I'm not sure the Hellcat was smaller. The Sherman is only listed as being larger when you include the gun, whereas there's no mention of if the Hellcat length was with or without the gun. I wasn't able to find a direct photo comparison of the two, but I did find this render image:



The hellcat looks correct in that and I can't imagine that the animator got the width right and the length wrong. If this picture is wrong than a real hellcat would be almost square in shape. It's possible the Sherman is too small, but then it would appear wider than the Hellcat in the render image. But based on the real photos above, I'm pretty sure that the Hellcat was simply a larger vehicle (though lower than the Sherman).

[carlos13th]

Watched this with the misses today and actually thought it was a good film. The ending felt a little silly but I would prefer not to spoil it by mentioning more. The main cast did a fantastic job even Shia labeouf who I never rated as an actor until this movie. The movie kept up tension during many of the scenes and I never felt bored or disinterested during the roughly two hours and twenty mins running time.

I'm no world war 2 history buff so I can't say for sure how accurate anything was but it seemed authentic in terms of vehicles, uniforms and weapons to me. One of my favourite scenes was the shermans vs tiger scene.

The characters in the film don't seem like standard super heroic good guys you often see in movies which was a plus.

Those who said the Germans are largely nameless bad guys are pretty spot on, beyond a few civilains I can't think of a single named german. Not all Germans are shown as mustache twirling villains though.

Genuinly think it's worth a watch.

What did those who saw it think of it?

[Valerik]

The Thursday Night Movie Club saw it last Sunday.

We all enjoyed it, had fun & willingly suspended our collective disbelief.

I'm the only militaria geek in the group, so my challenges, & sacrifices, were greater.

****HERE BE SPOILERS****

Please HIGHLIGHT to see the offending text...

In order of absurdity, or annoyance, or recollection:

1.

Whatever possessed some random costumier to give Brad Pitt RUSSIAN goggles??

Given that the others wore US GI period appropriate eye protection, why DO that?

Chapped my cheeks every time they appeared on screen, so brutally, blatantly WRONG.

The distinctive Soviet square/round style added nothing artistic, & detracted historically.

2.

An M4 or M5 HST zipping across the screen towing a...105 howitzer???

My Ford Focus can tow a 105, why waste the muscle?  Just looked lame, mercifully briefly.

3.

Improperly calling for, & use of, ammunition types inappropriate for the targets, or the gun.[/colour]

4.

Wildly inappropriate combat ranges as previously discussed.

5.

Absurdly aged soldiers.  Not since the re-make of Memphis Belle has Hollywood really got this visually right.

6.

No shoepacs or galoshes visible.  C'mon, Germany, early '45, sheesh...[/colour]

7.

ditto, an unbelievable dearth of Armored Forces clothing, tanker's jackets, overalls...[/colour]

8.

Unrealistic depiction of the capabilities of the 76mm M1 main gun of the Easy 8.[/colour]

9.

The lads spent an awful lotta time outside the tank, doing suspiciously doughboyish type things...just fartin' about, actin' like targets, not tankers.[/colour]

10.

The patent absurdity of a solitary immobile tank surviving a close range attack by '350' infantrymen clearly armed with HEAT weapons, in this instance the panzerfausts are are highly visible as the landser march toward the "ambush".  & they cleverly show us much earlier in the film just how devastating such weapons are...

There are other nits to be picked, but overall I enjoyed it.  There's a good bit of tasty eye candy for those of us enamoured of militaria, some diorama worthy moments, they got most of the uniforms/insignia/weapons right most of the time. and the "HOLLYWOOD" seemed less obtrusive than I'd expected.

Bloody well HATED those effin' Rooski goggles though.

YMMV

Valerik

Did I mention how awful the Commie tanker goggles looked on Brad Pitt?

EDITED: to do the spoiler thingee former user requested

[former user]

You should change Your spoilers to background colour, it makes the thread unreadable for anyone who hasn't seen the movie. Spoilers should be only seen by active highlighting by the reader.
You have transformed the whole thread into a spoiler thread...
like this:


I don't understand the problem with the russian goggles - granted, having US issue goggles in soviet Russia would be a problem, but how do You know soviet "style" goggles would have not been available for private upgrade in the land of the free... market powers?
besides, he clearly states that he started with "torch", against the 10th Panzerdivision which had taken part in "Barbarossa" and was the transferred to Tunisia. Clearly a veteran would have been able to pinch an item formerly pinched somewhere else

damn, what is the background colour called? "tan"  is only close....
it works

[Barbarian]

#CCCC99 or #999966.

[former user]

THX

[Valerik]

You should change Your spoilers to background colour, it makes the thread unreadable for anyone who hasn't seen the movie. Spoilers should be only seen by active highlighting by the reader.
You have transformed the whole thread into a spoiler thread...

I regret I wasn't savvy enough to do that, hence the BOLD RED ALERT, read past at peril

I don't understand the problem with the russian goggles - granted, having US issue goggles in soviet Russia would be a problem, but how do You know soviet "style" goggles would have not been available for private upgrade in the land of the free... market powers?

Rather the reverse actually.  US GI tanker helmets, commo gear, & goggles were standard issue US tank equipment, and as such delivered to the Soviets with EVERY Lend-Lease tank that had a radio or an intercom fitted.  The absurd goggles in question are also post-war design & manufacture, still current issue AFAIK, and look nothing like the Russian WWII pattern.  Given the vast array of commercial motorcycling, racing, & flying goggles available in the US between the wars, to say nothing of 3 standard issue GI models, a distinctive "look" is easy to find, without resorting to a post-period pair that are simply flat out WRONG with a Capital "R".

besides, he clearly states that he started with "torch", against the 10th Panzerdivision which had taken part in "Barbarossa" and was the transferred to Tunisia. Clearly a veteran would have been able to pinch an item formerly pinched somewhere else

Soldiers liberate gear that's interesting, or unique, & above all better than they have.

Not worse.

Given the comparative manufacturing capacity & skill, coupled with the well known & world respected German optical industry, I'm doubtful Russian tanker goggles represent a trophy worth replacing your waffenamt issue ones with...

YMMV

Valerik

who will now go back to hide his egregious goof

[BattlewagonBruce]

The tank 'Fury' is an M4A2 (E8), or Easy Eight as they where known.

I have made one in 1:72 and its sold, with an order for another.

I think I got it pretty close.

Great movie!









thanks

Bruce

[former user]

fuck! this is 1:72?  

point taken, gear issued after the movie takes places is not good, but You have to give them that it looks more retro and pilot than the real ones....

problem was the germans and the russians did not have enough of anything, they used virtually everything they could grab, better or worse.

might not be true for US tankies though. But I could construct a number of interesting narratives around these goggles, that would make the aspect of quality pointless (I think they are used in the Tunisia sequence of "Valkyrie" too). Plus they look wrong only if you know that they outdate the period

anyway, the ammo issue and the combat distance are far worse than such minor detail like goggles. And lining up tanks on a field with the infantry behind looks like straight out of uninspired wargaming....




does this really matter?

I am pretty convinced these are incorrect as well...


there You are, they were probably meant to be fancy italian ones


maybe he took them from an italian pilot he downed with a rock, because he is wardaddy....

[carlos13th]

The tank 'Fury' is an M4A2 (E8), or Easy Eight as they where known.

I have made one in 1:72 and its sold, with an order for another.

I think I got it pretty close.

Great movie!









thanks

Bruce

That looks sweet. Mind sharing what model you used and how you did it?

[Valerik]

Spoilers spoilt!!  The egregious ones anyhow.  I left the obvious visible.
Thanks for the edumacation on how to do so absent a handy-dandy forum button.

point taken, gear issued after the movie takes places is not good, but You have to give them that it looks more retro and pilot than the real ones....

problem was the germans and the russians did not have enough of anything, they used virtually everything they could grab, better or worse.

might not be true for US tankies though. But I could construct a number of interesting narratives around these goggles, that would make the aspect of quality pointless (I think they are used in the Tunisia sequence of "Valkyrie" too). Plus they look wrong only if you know that they outdate the period

anyway, the ammo issue and the combat distance are far worse than such minor detail like goggles. And lining up tanks on a field with the infantry behind looks like straight out of uninspired wargaming....

fuck! this is 1:72?   

I am in complete agreement with every statement you have vouchsafed...

Except it looks MUCH more like 1/76 to me...

The lined up armor & infantry were redolent of reenacting nightmares I've lived, & suppressed.
All the more so with lines of "concrete cannoneers" manning a myriad of  misshapen, ill conceived, inappropriate attempts at sorta simulating Civil War artillery pieces, lined up hub to hub, making a mockery of history,
and a target of themselves.

point taken, gear issued after the movie takes places is not good, but You have to give them that it looks more retro and pilot than the real ones....
~snip~

 Plus they look wrong only if you know that they outdate the period
  

No man should know what I know. Or recognise what I can see...

Tis unnatural, ill founded, bordering maniacal, perilously pedantic...

Absurdly useless bits of arcane & obscure knowledge benefit no one & bore most.

It's nonsense, a sickness really, been infected my entire life.

Cure is impossible, control improbable, utility non-existent, thus I remain afflicted.

I try not to inflict this upon others too much or all that often, but he DID ask for it!!

Watched this with the misses today and actually thought it was a good film.

~snip~

What did those who saw it think of it?

The tank 'Fury' is an M4A2 (E8), or Easy Eight as they where known.

I have made one in 1:72 and its sold, with an order for another.

I think I got it pretty close.

Great movie!


thanks

Bruce

I like the execution of FURY you've done!!

ONLY quibbles are too many stripes, He's NOT a Master Sergeant & the lack of Armored Forces patch, in this case 2d AD, a nice splash of colour.

Not that I am capable of work at anywhere NEAR your level!!

Great work Bruce, you are well named Sir!!

YMMV

Valerik

enjoying this repartee as much as the film!!

[BattlewagonBruce]

well spotted on the rank stripes! A USMC client of mine spotted that too, but that model has already gone to Portugal so its to late for me to change them.

I have an order for another so I wont make him a Top this time. I am doing them for £50 each.

No mystery how I did it, its just a bit of detailing on an plastic 1:72 kit!

ta

Bruce