Stoke Field 1487

[Gangleri]

Thanks very much for the compliments, all.

[nikko]

Hello,
Very nice army !!!
Nikko

[Gangleri]

Hi, folks.  Been ages since I've posted anything, but I haven't been completely idle over the past months and have managed to knock a few more men together for this project.

Here's another German man-at-arms:



Two Yorkists, one with a de la Pole banner and the other with an unusual Yorkist badge I saw on some reenactors' outfits, who will go on with the Irish contingent:



The "command" of the whole army, at least in name.  The Earl of Warwick's banner, a piper, and a Burgundian retainer, dispatched by Duchess Margaret to guard the "young prince" (saltire on the pennon and flint-and-steel on the scabard not quite visible from this angle).  Not present, of course, is Simnel/Warwick (see below).


Now I must ask for your advice.  Where do you all think I might find a miniature for Simnel?  I don't know of any suitable children in 28mm and tried sculpting him from scratch without much success. I also looked for adult civilians in 15-18mm but don't know much about those ranges.  Your suggestions are much appreciated.

[tomrommel1]

very nice indeed ! Sorry can't help with your question

[Teld]

Where do you all think I might find a miniature for Simnel?

http://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?product=medieval-kids~hfh044&category=fantasy-%26%0D%0Asteampunk~fantasy-humans

http://www.grippingbeast.co.uk/SSC07_Children_4--product--5367.html

http://www.dixon-minis.com/shop/vikings-28mm/VKV2/

https://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/children/sku-down/03233

http://www.irregularminiatures.co.uk/     
(Miscellaneous Figures) has a few children also

hope this is of some help

[Arlequín]

I would be really surprised if Simnel did not have his own bespoke kiddie-armour in the (Flemish) style of the time; they did make child size armour, you'll often see it in stately homes and is one of the reasons why the myth of 'people back then were way smaller' began. Of course nothing would stop an usurpation quicker than having your pretender transfixed by a stray missile either.

I would look for a good '25mm' or at worst a '20mm' fully-armoured figure maybe?

[Momotaro]

There's a Partizan show-exclusive miniature of Lambert himself:

http://www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/index.php?title=Image:NIP31.jpg

Yeah, I think that's a cooking pot on his head...

Drop me a PM if you'd like him.

You should drop Wargames Foundry an email about this project too - the Ansells now own Stoke Hall!

[pocoloco]

Wonderful project!

Stoke Field was my interest as well when I still had WOTR minis, so it's great to have read whole thread and follow your future progress with this.

[Gangleri]

very nice indeed !

Thank you!

http://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?product=medieval-kids~hfh044&category=fantasy-%26%0D%0Asteampunk~fantasy-humans

http://www.grippingbeast.co.uk/SSC07_Children_4--product--5367.html

http://www.dixon-minis.com/shop/vikings-28mm/VKV2/

https://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/children/sku-down/03233

http://www.irregularminiatures.co.uk/     
(Miscellaneous Figures) has a few children also

hope this is of some help

Very nice of you to provide so many links.  Seems like many of those children are from earlier centuries, but if I can't find another way, I suppose I could convert one of them.

I would be really surprised if Simnel did not have his own bespoke kiddie-armour in the (Flemish) style of the time; they did make child size armour, you'll often see it in stately homes and is one of the reasons why the myth of 'people back then were way smaller' began. Of course nothing would stop an usurpation quicker than having your pretender transfixed by a stray missile either.

I would look for a good '25mm' or at worst a '20mm' fully-armoured figure maybe?

This is an excellent idea, and I totally overlooked it (perhaps because I was somehow never much interested in children's armor).  Not only does it make good sense, it probably offers the largest choice of miniatures.  I was not aware that child-armors gave rise to the "short medieval man" myth, though.  Very interesting.

There's a Partizan show-exclusive miniature of Lambert himself:

http://www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/index.php?title=Image:NIP31.jpg

Yeah, I think that's a cooking pot on his head...

Drop me a PM if you'd like him.

You should drop Wargames Foundry an email about this project too - the Ansells now own Stoke Hall!

That Simnel made me chuckle not sure he's quite what I'm looking for, though.  As for Foundry, I had hoped to visit Stoke Hall when I was in England over the summer, in part to let them know about my project, but it didn't work out.  Perhaps I'll e-mail them yet.

Wonderful project!

Stoke Field was my interest as well when I still had WOTR minis, so it's great to have read whole thread and follow your future progress with this.

Glad to hear you enjoyed it.  I hope to have some more to present soon.

[KorNat]

Very nice army. I especially like the coversions and shields' patterns. Cheers!

[Gangleri]

Hello again, folks.  Work continues (slowly) on this project, hampered by limited funds and time and the distraction of other projects.  I've recently finished the first Irish contingent, composed of men drawn from the Pale.


They're a mix of WotR and HYW plastics, trying to achieve a somewhat distinctive look that reflects the basically English character of these men with the inevitable presence of certain Irish features, in particular the aketons and somewhat older armor styles.  From right to left are Fitzgerald retainers with the red saltires; then men from the city of Dublin (strongly Yorkist in sympathy); then retainers of the Archbishop of Dublin; then a contingent sent by Rowland Fitzeustance, Baron Portlester; and finally William D'arcy of Platten, friend to the Earl of Kildare, who was an immensely large man (unfortunately my version is only average-sized) said to have carried young Simnel on his shoulders through Dublin's streets.


And a slightly bleached shot of the banners and arms.  In the foreground is Portlester's standard, which I tried to mount on a more complex frame, with mixed results.  Behind that is a speculative (read: made-up) banner for Dublin, feature St. Laurence O'Toole and my guess at what the arms of Dublin might have been at the time.  Dublin's current arms (three burning castles) evolved from a besieged, three-towered castle found on seals from the end of the 13th century, and my version is meant to be a transitional phase between the two.

I think my next step will be to start on the kern who will make up the bulk of the Irish force.  It will probably be a few weeks' time before they'll be ready, though.

[Captain Blood]

Great to see you sticking with it 

Some projects are for the long haul...   

[GamesPoet]

Fabulous project!

[Corso]

Interesting project

[MagpieJono]

A lovely collection of miniatures you have created.

Have you ever been to The Foundry at Stoke Hall?