28mm Maximilian knights, new knight with beard added 28th

[Stuart]

You're most welcome buddy

As for the zweihander use within a pike block is difficult to nail exactly, they were favoured by Landsknechts of the Low Countries and used I believe initially to break up enemy pike prior to closing but soon ended up as a colour guard, they seem to get bigger and more ornate 1530 ish onward.

The helmet for the reasons explained didn't strike me as that of a knight, though I'm so immersed in that period that the little details are there. I didn't intend to derail in any way so apologies, i was very much enthusiastic to see this being done so sorry also if I've now set you off on a distracting Landsknecht tangent.

All the best

Stuart

[Stuart]

Here's another interesting piece

[Captain Blood]

Wow 
Love the chap with the giant serrated sword, Oliver.

[Atheling]

I'm potentially interested in doing some landskneckts to go with these but I have not weighed it up yet I will depend on how the Kickstarter goes.

Would that be Landsknechts for the 1510-20's Oliver?

Or earlier/later?

Darrell.

[Arlequín]

The figures look fantastic.  

Here's another interesting piece

They are examples of helmets that would be part of a set of  'almain rivet'; which was like the Ford Focus of armour at the turn of the 16th Century (something like 7/ a set, as opposed to about 40-50/ for a demi-lances' kit). Simply and cheaply made, it appears on numerous Tudor probate inventories... pretty much the same as what is called 'munition armour'.

Would that be Landsknechts for the 1510-20's Oliver?

C. 1486 - 1505 'Landsknechts' would make a nice change.

[Steel fist]

Thanks for all the input,

You're most welcome buddy

As for the zweihander use within a pike block is difficult to nail exactly, they were favoured by Landsknechts of the Low Countries and used I believe initially to break up enemy pike prior to closing but soon ended up as a colour guard, they seem to get bigger and more ornate 1530 ish onward.

The helmet for the reasons explained didn't strike me as that of a knight, though I'm so immersed in that period that the little details are there. I didn't intend to derail in any way so apologies, i was very much enthusiastic to see this being done so sorry also if I've now set you off on a distracting Landsknecht tangent.

All the best

Stuart

I don't mind at all as there are lots of things I still need to learn about this period, and I think these kind of details are very important. I agree that he is not a knight, I think a man at arms of low wealth or a mercenary is a better description. Here is the armour I used as reference.

The figures look fantastic. 

They are examples of helmets that would be part of a set of  'almain rivet'; which was like the Ford Focus of armour at the turn of the 16th Century (something like 7/ a set, as opposed to about 40-50/ for a demi-lances' kit). Simply and cheaply made, it appears on numerous Tudor probate inventories... pretty much the same as what is called 'munition armour'.

C. 1486 - 1505 'Landsknechts' would make a nice change.

I totally agree that the transition sallet is a cheaper helmet, I like the way you liken it to a Ford Focus, as I think it gives a good idea of the price range.

Would that be Landsknechts for the 1510-20's Oliver?

Or earlier/later?

Darrell.

As to landskneckts I'm not sure on the period, really what I have in mind is some colourful character figures that could also be Swiss. But even with the Knights I have not fully set on a time period, as you can see I'm sculpting from 1500-20 type armours but I may do some earlier and some later until I discover which I prefer.

[Steel fist]

Also could anyone date this armour roughly?
Also a suggestion of helmet, I would guess an open burgonet?

[Atheling]

C. 1486 - 1505 'Landsknechts' would make a nice change.

Slightly OT but, have you seen these from The Assault Group mate?:

http://www.theassaultgroup.co.uk/index.php?article=274

Darrell.

[painterman]

Oliver
The last aarmour image is at Wallace collection. I have catalogues at home and so will confirm later on. My guess is c 1525?
An open burgonet would look good - unless anyone else has better suggestions.
Great stuff btw
Simon

[Steel fist]

Oliver
The last aarmour image is at Wallace collection. I have catalogues at home and so will confirm later on. My guess is c 1525?
An open burgonet would look good - unless anyone else has better suggestions.
Great stuff btw
Simon

Thanks simon, I really like this armour, so will likely make a version of it. Here is a rapidly done concept sketch, not finalised.

Slightly OT but, have you seen these from The Assault Group mate?:

http://www.theassaultgroup.co.uk/index.php?article=274

Darrell.

Interesting but compleatly different to what I thinking, thanks for showing me though.

[Mad Doc Morris]

That last piece of armour looks quite elaborate for an ordinary footslogger. It certainly lacks besagues (if that's the right translation of German "Schwebscheiben"?) and most likely a set of plates protecting the neck. Since it appears to imitate Landsknecht garments of the 1530s, it may be comparable to a set of armour made for Landgraf Philipp von Hessen in about 1534 (LINK). So a pair of (half-)greaves might be in order, too, complementing a princely 'Trabharnisch'.

Btw, very much looking forward to your figures!

[Arlequín]

Slightly OT but, have you seen these from The Assault Group mate?:

Indeed I have, but thanks anyway.  

I claim no expertise, but they look a little more flamboyant than what I need; which is something beyond the Perry WotR but before Stuart's 1513 types. I will certainly be acquiring some though.

What I really want are something that might resemble Maximilian's first 'Proto-landsknechts' of the Late 1480's- 90's... or the Swabian Wars, which may possibly be where Oliver ends up (or not), judging from his comments above.

I totally agree that the transition sallet is a cheaper helmet, I like the way you liken it to a Ford Focus, as I think it gives a good idea of the price range.

It's about the best analogy I know, 'armour' covers such a multitude of price ranges... you have guys with 'second-hand old bangers', up to brand new Ferraris and Lamborghinis and all points in-between when you look at some of the prices paid. While appearances are deceptive, you have what is effectively wrought iron armour at the bottom of the range (which benefits from painting), through to indifferent quality carbon-steel and the highest quality carbon-steel at the top. Then there is engraving, gilting, bluing and all the other tricks and trimming.

Price was then as now, a mix of material and the time taken to make something. Whacking out some of the sallets shown here was straightforward enough, as was using rivets and leather straps to put a harness together. Trusting your life to a few rivets, as opposed to the   more complex fastenings of earlier types was very much a choice like 'side air bags or not sir?' too.

 

[The Red Graf]

Just chiming in to say great work here. Can't wait for the chance to purchase them.

[levied troop]

Ditto on that, would find those very useful and that 2-handed chap is quite remarkable.

[painterman]

So the Wallace Collection catalogue has it as A28 - its shown with a mail standard and a close helm (A162), which doesn't belong to it and has different provenance.
Note it has backplate too.
Its possibly made in Ausburg, circa 1520.



 My guess is that it was probably a full harness and not the 3/4 which remains, due to the quality of the work?
The design and engraving clearly imitates the slashed clothing of the period. 

Simon.