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Offline Ignatieff

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WAS Dutch orbats and uniforms?
« on: November 19, 2017, 10:52:43 AM »
Can anyone recommend any good sources for the above topic please?
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Offline Arthur

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Re: WAS Dutch orbats and uniforms?
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2017, 04:57:06 PM »
Stephen Manley wrote a book on WAS Dutch uniforms in the previous century : The War of the Austrian Succession: Uniforms of the Dutch Army, 1740-48, published 1995. I think it's long out of print but a Google search might turn up something.

The Will Ye Go To Flanders blog also features uniform and flags info for the Pragmatic Army :

http://was-flanders.blogspot.fr/search/label/Dutch%20infantry

As far as orbats are concerned, the Nafziger collection is the best place to start : I haven't checked the lists in detail but their WAS list must have something about the Dutch :

http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/cgsc/carl/nafziger.asp
 
Finally, the Histoire & Collection book on Fontenoy has a Dutch orbat and rather nice uniform plates for that given battle :

http://www.histoireetcollections.com/fr/livres-en-anglais/2645-fontenoy-gb-9782352500575.html

Offline 1ngram

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Re: WAS Dutch orbats and uniforms?
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2017, 10:58:45 AM »
Stephen Manley still sells his excellent booklets.  I bought the Italian and Spanish ones from him a few months ago and I see he still offers the Dutch one as well.  His email address is: <stephen.manley.unison@gmail.com>

The ones I have are, as I say, excellent and well worth the £10 (I think) I paid for each.


Offline Stavka

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Re: WAS Dutch orbats and uniforms?
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2017, 02:10:27 PM »

The Will Ye Go To Flanders blog also features uniform and flags info for the Pragmatic Army :

http://was-flanders.blogspot.fr/search/label/Dutch%20infantry

I'll be damned, I'd completely forgotten about that blog.  I haven't updated it for years. Surprised that anyone even knows about it.:o

Still have my Eureka Dutch, though.

Offline Ignatieff

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Re: WAS Dutch orbats and uniforms?
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2017, 05:06:46 PM »
Fine fellows all.  Many thanks indeed!

Offline Ignatieff

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Re: WAS Dutch orbats and uniforms?
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2017, 05:10:58 PM »
I'll be damned, I'd completely forgotten about that blog.  I haven't updated it for years. Surprised that anyone even knows about it.:o

Still have my Eureka Dutch, though.

Good figures are they???

Offline Bindonblood

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Re: WAS Dutch orbats and uniforms?
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2017, 08:27:39 PM »
The Eureka Dutch are lovely figures in my opinion. I am in the process of painting some up myself. There isn't enough choice for all the Dutch regiments. Likewise they aren't right for the Scottish regiments. But there is enough variation to cover enough units for an army.

One thing, I saw in a recent TMP thread,someone saying that the Dutch didn't converge their grenadiers. I don't know how correct this is. Prior to this I was going for converged grenadiers and painted up my units without grenadiers. It's up to you, but grenadier battalions do look nice...

Stavka, I was never able to download the guide to the Pragmatic Army you had a link to on the blog. Is it still available?

Offline Ignatieff

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Re: WAS Dutch orbats and uniforms?
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2017, 11:21:25 AM »
I saw a unit of converged grenadiers on those lists somewhere.  Even if they didn’t, why not?

Offline Stavka

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Re: WAS Dutch orbats and uniforms?
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2017, 12:20:42 AM »
The Eureka figures are very nice.  Clean, stately sculpts.  I wasn't so crazy about the horses, which I was able to replace with Front Rank models.  But that's personal taste.

Regarding accuracy, the most obvious issue was that officers as well as the rank and file are sculpted with turnbacks; in the Dutch army the officers wore their coats with turnbacks unfastened.  This could be remedied with a bit of Greenstuff, or one could just turn a blind eye towards it (it's unlikely most people would ever notice it on the tabletop anyway).

Nigel Billington has some nicely painted examples here:

http://nigbilpainter.blogspot.jp/2008/10/was-eureka-dutch.html

As has been pointed out, the figures as sculpted won't cover all regiments.   This is unavoidable though, given it would likely be economically unfeasible to market a niche range with all the variations that would be needed.

Like with French uniforms of the time, where it's simply not practical to produce figures to cover all the different permutations in coat pocket design.

Stavka, I was never able to download the guide to the Pragmatic Army you had a link to on the blog. Is it still available?

I'll dig around the files on my desktop to see if I can upload it again.

Quite a few years back now, Fileden bit the dust, taking a number of photos and a lot of my files with it.  In the process I lost quite a bit of work, and had neither the time- nor the motivation- to have to upload and rebuild everything.  

In the years since, the gaming we've been doing has mostly been Napoleonics or WWII. No one else here is much interested in 18th-century wargaming, so I've had little incentive to spend the time on it.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2017, 06:23:40 AM by Stavka »

 

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