Koyote's SAGA Age of Crusades and Age of Chivalry

[Dice Roller]

Yeah, they are great and inspiring.
But aren't hearthguard bought in units of 4 rather than 5?
Although I suppose you could buy 3 units and split then up into 2 units of 5 and one unit of 2.
Nonetheless, gorgeous models.

[Basementboy]

Gorgeous work as always! Love the faces.

[Ogrob]

Yeah, they are great and inspiring.
But aren't hearthguard bought in units of 4 rather than 5?
Although I suppose you could buy 3 units and split then up into 2 units of 5 and one unit of 2.
Nonetheless, gorgeous models.

4 to a point, but legal unit sizes in SAGA is 4 to 12 models. You can also swap half a point of one troop type for half a point for another at deployment, so it is fairly common to run 2.5 pts of hearthguard in two five-man units. Makes them a little stronger than two minimum size units.

[Dice Roller]

You can also swap half a point of one troop type for half a point for another at deployment

Really!?
I have no recollection of ever reading that. Got a page reference for that?

[Ogrob]

Really!?
I have no recollection of ever reading that. Got a page reference for that?

It was introduced in the 2022 revision of the rulebook, should be under Assembling a Warband.

Also in the 2022 rulebook FAQ that explains the changes. Not avaialble on Studio Tomahawk website anymore, but I found it here: https://www.scribd.com/document/640014653/FAQ-Rulebook-Saga-2022

[Dice Roller]

Ah, OK.
I have the 2018 edition.
Unfortunately I can't download that since I don't have a Scribd account (tried to log in with Google, but said I still had to sign up with payment details though could cancel any time. No thanks. Cheeky sods).
Interesting idea though.

[Ogrob]

Ah, OK.
I have the 2018 edition.
Unfortunately I can't download that since I don't have a Scribd account (tried to log in with Google, but said I still had to sign up with payment details though could cancel any time. No thanks. Cheeky sods).
Interesting idea though.

Strange, it just showed it to me. Here's a link to it on my Dropbox https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ij3o6zk602rsdu8pccy5u/faq_rulebook_2022.pdf?rlkey=p8sh2qpzn4evxde8qk7oyqipp&st=kkcakjfa&dl=0

[Dice Roller]

Excellent - thanks, ever so much.
Much appreciated.

[Koyote]

Dissatisfied with the uniformity of my first six Mutatawwi'a foot HG, as I added more foot HG I introduced some green into the mix.

Since my preferred build includes 2.5 points of of HG,  I now have enough HG to field all 10 on foot or to field up to 6 on horse or 6 on camel. This gives me the options to customize my "equipment" to suit my opponent's warband and/or the scenario.

[Little Odo]

Fabulous painting on those miniatures. The army is coming along very nicely indeed.

[Koyote]

Rather than start yet another 'Koyote' Lead Adventures thread, I'm going to recycle and rebrand this 'Koyote's SAGA Moors & Mutatawwi'a' thread as a broader Age of Crusades and Age of Chivalry thread.

As I put the finishing touches on my Rus project, I need to start planning how to paint and base my Age of Chivalry Scottish.

Since I like to develop my warbands around historical and semi-historical figures and events, I've decided that this warband will be led by The Black Douglas, Warden of the Western March (aka Sir James Douglas 1286 to 1330). I'm also toying with the idea of Battle of Bannockburn themed display board. 

I've collected enough minis to field my Scots as Scottish Schiltrons or as Auld Alliance. After playing a games with both, I've found I favor the Schiltrons rules.

All the grey minis are 3D printed Medbury Miniatures (scaled up a bit so they aren't so puny), printed by MTM Printworks in Langley, B.C. The metals are Antediluvian Miniatures. Just a heads up, if you plan to purchase Antediluvian Miniatures' Scots, be warned that they vary wildly in scale, with the older model line being very small (closer to 25mm scale) and the new models closer in scale to model lines like Victrix and Gripping Beast.












I've already built markers for the Scotts' Front Line ability, which requires you to select a unit of Warriors and a nearby unit of Hearthguard. Since this ability gives both units a degree of protection from shooting attacks, the models ducking behind their raised shield seem perfect for these markers.




As I was researching the Battle of Bannockburn, I read that at the end of the battle a large group of "Small Folk" swept down from a hill to pile in on the retreating English.  This convinced me that it would be fun to add a Specialist (mercenary) unit of Arrière-ban to the warband.




However, I recently read from another source that the attack wasn't made by "Small Folk", but rather by clansmen and highlanders who could not be trusted in the ranks of the Schiltrons, so they were held in reserve. So now I'm thinking about replacing the unreliable Arrière-ban unit with a unit of highlanders (counts-as Gallowglass), using more Medbury prints.

[Ogrob]

Very nice! The Medbury figures are lovely, such clean sculpts. Highlanders could be a fun addition

[Basementboy]

That looks like quite the undertaking! Wishing you the best of luck with the project, excited to see where this goes.

[valleyboy]

Medbury are lovely sculpts and I see William Wallace in the 3rd picture down!
As a matter of interest how much have you scaled them up by?
I've mixed Medbury with Antediluvian and Wargames Atlantic without any change in scale and had not really noted any difference until yesterday when I realised I could get 5 Medbury archers on a 60 X 60 base though Claymore looked better and  less crowded with 4 figures/base

[Koyote]

Medbury are lovely sculpts and I see William Wallace in the 3rd picture down!
As a matter of interest how much have you scaled them up by?
I've mixed Medbury with Antediluvian and Wargames Atlantic without any change in scale and had not really noted any difference until yesterday when I realised I could get 5 Medbury archers on a 60 X 60 base though Claymore looked better and  less crowded with 4 figures/base

Medbury does indeed make great sculpts. What I appreciate the most about them is that unlike some of the other popular historical STL model lines, Medbury strikes a good balance between detail and paintability. Many designers add far to much fiddly-little detail to their minis. And whereas their STL sculpts looks good, blown up and on the screen of your laptop, they can be onerous to paint and the detail only shows up if you carefully examine the model in good light. 

I'm going to use the William Wallace sculpt as my Black Douglas. The Medbury Black Douglas on-foot, has a silly star or fin on the top of his helmet, plus, the pose of the Medbury Douglas isn't nearly as dynamic as the Wallace sculpt.




My Medbury Scots are printed at 105% scale. Also, I don't know who prints your miniatures, but my printer, MTM Printworks, uses a premium resin that isn't nearly as brittle as the resin I was getting from Etsy sellers. In fact, you can bend sword blade or shaft of a polearm quite a bit before it snaps. It's great stuff.

While we are on the topic of scale, below is a photo I took after receiving a sizeable order of Scots from Antediluvian Miniatures.  I ended up returning most of them for a refund, keeping only those models from their new line which is more properly scaled to 28mm. The photo doesn't include a Medbury Scot becasue when I took the pic, I hadn't yet ordered them. If you look at the group photo in my previous post, you can compare the metal Antediluvian Scots (all newer sculpts) to my Medbury Scots printed at 105%

From left to right, here are the manufacturers in the photo below:

Gripping Beast (newer sculpt), Perry Miniatures, Medbury metal, Victrix plastic, Antediluvian (old sculpt), Antediluvian (old sculpt), Antediluvian (new sculpt), V&V (resin), Footsore Miniatures, and Fireforge Games.