Suitable Miniatures for Later Cathaginian Italian Allies?

[Atheling]

As the title suggests does anyone know of any suitable *metal* miniatures to be used as Italian Allies/Light Troops in the Later Carthaginian/Army of Hannibal list please?

Cheers

[sgzleada71]

The obvious one would be the Italian Allied plastic box set by Victrix.    60 figures at good price. 

https://www.victrixlimited.com/en-au/collections/republican-romans/products/romes-italian-allied-legions-legionaries-in-mixed-armour-plus-velites-and-command

[Atheling]

The obvious one would be the Italian Allied plastic box set by Victrix.    60 figures at good price. 

https://www.victrixlimited.com/en-au/collections/republican-romans/products/romes-italian-allied-legions-legionaries-in-mixed-armour-plus-velites-and-command

Sorry, I should have added metal as the rest of my army is metal

Title and post now amended.

[Major_Gilbear]

Have you looked through Aventine Miniatures? I think a number of their ranges are in the middle of a re-do, but they do have several packs for various suitable minis for Italian allies still up, and a polite email might be enough to get some older models cast up for you as well perhaps?

[Atheling]

Have you looked through Aventine Miniatures? I think a number of their ranges are in the middle of a re-do, but they do have several packs for various suitable minis for Italian allies still up, and a polite email might be enough to get some older models cast up for you as well perhaps?

I'm in touch with Keith every so often and I know that the whole range of Republican /Romans etc are being remastered, parts re-sculpted etc so it's going to be some time before Adam had the time to get through the whole range.

In truth, I have no idea what the Italian Allies might have looked like as it's en entirely new "period" for me with a lot of reading ahead.

I was hoping that someone with a better idea of Hannibal's Invasion of Italy might be able to guide me

[SJWi]

Gripping Beast have some "Italian Allies" listed with their Carthaginians. I think they are quite old and no idea how well they match more modern sculpts. Should give you an idea of what to look for.

 Regards.

[Major_Gilbear]

In truth, I have no idea what the Italian Allies might have looked like as it's en entirely new "period" for me with a lot of reading ahead.

I was hoping that someone with a better idea of Hannibal's Invasion of Italy might be able to guide me

Okay, well I think most would probably agree that Tarentines and Samnites are good representatives of the various Italian allies that defect to Hannibal after Cannae, and you have some suitable Aventine Miniatures here (Tarentine Cavalry) and here (Samnite Cavalry).

Samnites/Oscans are also available from Crusader (here), and Samnites from A&A here.

Other units worth considering for your project are Gauls, a couple of Elephants (...obviously!!  ), and veterans kitted out in with captured/recovered Roman equipment - so you could mix in some Romans, or try with Imitation Legionaries from various sources, or even make a few conversions with spare Roman parts (shields, helmets, swords).

[Atheling]

Okay, well I think most would probably agree that Tarentines and Samnites are good representatives of the various Italian allies that defect to Hannibal after Cannae, and you have some suitable Aventine Miniatures here (Tarentine Cavalry) and here (Samnite Cavalry).

Samnites/Oscans are also available from Crusader (here), and Samnites from A&A here.

Great, thanks. If both the A&A and Crusader Samnites are suitable then I'll go with them. I note from a quick Google that the Samnites fought for Hannibal (and earlier Pyrrhus) so they seem to be quite a good choice.

Unless anyone has any more detailed information?

Other units worth considering for your project are Gauls, a couple of Elephants (...obviously!!  ), and veterans kitted out in with captured/recovered Roman equipment - so you could mix in some Romans, or try with Imitation Legionaries from various sources, or even make a few conversions with spare Roman parts (shields, helmets, swords).

I've got the Gauls, Numidians and Spanish sorted out already(re: ordered); it was just the look of the Italian Allies that I was unclear on.

[Citizen Sade]

It has been many years since I read up on Hannibal’s Italian campaign and I’m no expert, but I think you need to choose which army to represent. As he was in Italy from 218-204 BCE, his army would have changed considerably due to casualties, attrition and supply issues etc.

Early War you’d have the elephants (up to Trebia), Numidians, Iberians & Celts in national gear. Later, more Italians and less identifiably ethnic infantry due to Romanisation courtesy of all the booty, locally supplied clothing etc.

FWIW, I’d go early war and the early war (Trebia to Cannae) for the iconic and diverse looking army plus the famous battles.

[Major_Gilbear]

Yes, I thought you might have Gauls and Spanish already (especially as I remember seeing your Cantabrian Cavalry on here), but I felt it worth mentioning just in case.

Other troops to perhaps consider adding in small quantities would be some Balearic Slingers, Cretan Archers, and similar mercenaries.

And whilst I do mostly agree with Citizen Sade, I still think some veterans in captured Roman equipment are pretty much a must-have too (and which, in a pinch, could also represent unspecified Italian allies picked up later at various points?).

[GerryB21]

Crusader Oscans

https://www.crusaderminiatures.com/list.php?cat=1&sub=40&page=1

Also Aventine Smanite Cavalry.

[Atheling]

Thanks Guys.

Citizen Sade, I've also got Numidians on the way. I'm trying not to order too much stuff at once as that can be a sure way to put one off from actually getting down to the painting.

Major_Gilbear, I'll be leaving the skirmishers until last as they're usually the least interesting to paint.

Crusader Oscans

https://www.crusaderminiatures.com/list.php?cat=1&sub=40&page=1

Also Aventine Smanite Cavalry.

Cheers Gerry. Good to know that the Crusader and A&A Samnites will be suitable as, with the army largely sculpted by Mark Sims, they will match the other units well.

[bluewillow]

A & A would be my choice, I will be picking up some soon for our clubs Punic wars campaign.

Cheers
Matt

[Atheling]

A & A would be my choice, I will be picking up some soon for our clubs Punic wars campaign.

Cheers
Matt

Why A&A Matt? More historically accurate sculpts or just better sculpts?

[bluewillow]

I just like the sculpts and his faces are good to paint.

Cheers
Matt