ANDOR Season 2 (Possible Spoilers)

[anevilgiraffe]

Ha the lead ISB commando was in phoneshop on channel 4.

[hubbabubba]

Just finished watching Andor ep. 12 last night, and rewatching Rogue One this morning.

I've got to say I'm very impressed by the way the end of Andor seamlessly blends into Rogue one.

Chapeau.

[Daeothar]

Having finished the series last night, I can only comment that it was just great 

The thing to ask now is: when guiding a noob through the movies and series, what will be show first? Andor, or Rogue One?

I once made the mistake of watching episodes 1 through 6 in episode order, as opposed to by date of release, with my nephew. He loved the first three, but ep 4 to 6 were too slow and dull for him (granted; he was only 8 years old at the time). But Andor and Rogue One practically beg to be viewed that way now

And Rogue one almost seamlessly merges into A New Hope, so there's that too...

[jhonpog]

Yeah awesome!

Loved that last 3 episode arc and both seasons overalll.  What I really liked about this offering was that it made the universe feel bigger and it enhances the original trilogy. 

It made Yavin base feel more important to the story.  The empire discovering Yavin in ANH would have been a serious blow to the rebels; rather than just another rebel base.

Not the ending I was expecting for Luthen but totally cool.

I would have loved to see more of this series but I respect that they called it a day at the end of this season.  Don't overstay your welcome

[Rick]

And there was I thinking that Rogue One was the "more of this series". 

[anevilgiraffe]

I hope we get more of Kleia

[Daeothar]

...What I really liked about this offering was that it made the universe feel bigger and it enhances the original trilogy... 

Exactly that. As much as I love Lucas' vision, he had a tendency to make the SW universe feel so claustrophobic and stuffy; everything had to to with everything, especially with the prequels. I've always found Robo Chicken's spoof of the iconic 'I am your father' scene acutely exposed this, when Vader then says: 'Oh, and I built C3PO', after which Luke storms off stating 'If you're not taking this seriously, neither am I!' 

Rogue One, and then Andor, really tore open the curtain again and gave us exotic and diverse locations and then left them again without filling in every single blank. It was like reading the whole X-Wing series of books again 

I hope we get more of Kleia

And yes; she was formidable! 

[Rick]

Hmm, yeah - not sure of that. Sure the films do seem a bit claustrophobic and self-contained but, in the grand sweep.of the Star Wars galaxy, the whole of the Skywalker saga was largely ignored and irrelevant. Sure the main events of the Civil War and the Rebellion may have affected some people but the Jedi are myths - they interacted with so few people across the galaxy that not many were aware of their existence and virtually no-one would recognise the name 'Skywalker' in most of the galaxy.
So - claustrophobic? Probably not but only if you step back a little and look at the bigger picture - Andor, Mando, the Clone Wars and all the other series' are just tiny areas of a massive tapestry that we look at just one bit at a time. It's all good fun and, y'know all of those impossible coincidences and interconnected storylines? Let you in on a secret - it's all down to the Force, yup - it's an absolute so-and-so for screwing things up like that - get more than a couple of force users together and the whole thing gets weird! 

[mcfonz]

Well, that was awesome!

I think claustrophobic might fit in a sense. Though one has to remember that whilst there is only force mention in Rogue One and Andor, it is still essentially part of the Skywalker saga in that it is just building towards Luke's first adventure. The story all grew backwards from that. It's more scaffolding than anything else. What it has done, superbly, even if riffing off of real history, is show us what life looks like for people of different planets under the growing might of the Empire. They no longer have an edge of 2d storybook villains due to lack of backstory, sure, destroying a planet full of people is nasty, but faking insurrection to excuse genocide... I love how key figures are portrayed there too, conflicted, lied to and being neck deep before they realise that they have been part of the "play" and it's too late to grab any moral high ground.

My main criticism of Disney at this point is that they appear to base things off box office sales. If they are going to do that, they need to leave a longer gap between the end of screenings at cinemas and the movie appearing on streaming platforms.

Back on topic though, just how good Andor was/is is a challenge for Disney. The unisverse is so rich and, in our terms, now so old, that they have evidenced that they are needing to cater for different audiences. I think it's the same challenge that Marvell has had.

How do you satiate the hunger for content for multiple types of audiences? On the one hand, and this started with George Lucas, you have the younger audiences, say, the under 12's. Purely them at this point. Then you have the family orientated stuff that you also want the parents to be entertained enough by to watch with their kids. Then you have the teen/young adult, and then you have stuff like Andor, which is far grittier and deeper and certainly for a more mature audience.

I think up until Rogue One and Andor, they hadn't really got the last one ticked off. Now they have, and it's seemingly "done", I feel they do need to find another story to tell in this way. It's going to leave difficult footsteps to follow, but it's been the best for so many reasons.

[AKULA]

I feel they do need to find another story to tell in this way. It's going to leave difficult footsteps to follow, but it's been the best for so many reasons.

A new "Andor"-style story with some new characters (for obvious reasons) can pickup immediately after the events of the original film...

{OPENING SCENE}

They've just had the celebration after destroying the Death Star... Chewwy is mumbling something about not getting a medal... and then the Imperial fleet jumps into orbit around Yavin and starts bombarding the rebel base... I mean seriously, they just destroyed the Death Star, but didn't think they needed to leave their base ?!?!?

A gritty "war story" covering the events between "A New Hope" and "Empire Strikes Back" would be excellent...and then repeat the exercise from the standpoint of another group to fill in the gap between "Empire" & ROTJ.  Focus mainly upon more average Joes... but then intersperse with scenes from the Rebel leadership and the Imperials to give that depth... would love to see Palpatine's rage when he hears the news that the Death Star was been destroyed.

 

[mcfonz]

A new "Andor"-style story with some new characters (for obvious reasons) can pickup immediately after the events of the original film...

{OPENING SCENE}

They've just had the celebration after destroying the Death Star... Chewwy is mumbling something about not getting a medal... and then the Imperial fleet jumps into orbit around Yavin and starts bombarding the rebel base... I mean seriously, they just destroyed the Death Star, but didn't think they needed to leave their base ?!?!?

A gritty "war story" covering the events between "A New Hope" and "Empire Strikes Back" would be excellent...and then repeat the exercise from the standpoint of another group to fill in the gap between "Empire" & ROTJ.  Focus mainly upon more average Joes... but then intersperse with scenes from the Rebel leadership and the Imperials to give that depth... would love to see Palpatine's rage when he hears the news that the Death Star was been destroyed.

 

Yes, and I guess you do still have some characters that can continue as you have Bix with presumably their son, Wilmon, Kleya and then the likes of Mon, Bail and Dravitz.


More than anything I like seeing more of how the Empire's slow and subtle manipulation turns into complete dominance and control. I think what the likes of Andor, Mandalorian, Ashoka and even Book of Fett do well is show how the 'core worlds' might be in the thick of it but that the further reaches are impacted differently.

I love that we have gotten to see worlds that specialise in farming etc.


There is so much more yet to explore if they want to. We have a whole generation of force users/sensitives raised to hide in the shadows as a result of the Clone Wars.

[Lost Egg]

I quite like the idea of a washed up jedi / force user who's given up, starting to care again and going on a kind of Quantum Leap / Shane / Almost an Angel type wandering journey, doing acts of good that help the 'little guy'.

[Rick]

I quite like the idea of a washed up jedi / force user who's given up, starting to care again and going on a kind of Quantum Leap / Shane / Almost an Angel type wandering journey, doing acts of good that help the 'little guy'.

Well we've had the Mandolorian's wandering journey doing acts of, well, goodish and discovering there is more to the universe (and being a Mandolorian) than what the Deathwatch taught him. You've got to be careful with Jedi - what with the Skywalker saga, Kenobi and the Clone Wars series, we've seen a LOT of the jedi - there's little left to be explored there, I feel. Ahsoka series 2 looks like it might be filming next year so we'll likely see more live action Nightsister Witches on Dathomir again, which might be interesting. I'd really, really like to see the Quinlan Vos/Asajj Ventress story arc done as a live action series, or even a well done animation (just not as a kiddies cartoon) series - that would be rather good.
Just no more Star Wars/Goonies mash-ups, for goodness' sake!

[mcfonz]

I quite like the idea of a washed up jedi / force user who's given up, starting to care again and going on a kind of Quantum Leap / Shane / Almost an Angel type wandering journey, doing acts of good that help the 'little guy'.

Almost sounds like the Fugitive meets the Littlelist Hobo... 

[mcfonz]

Well we've had the Mandolorian's wandering journey doing acts of, well, goodish and discovering there is more to the universe (and being a Mandolorian) than what the Deathwatch taught him. You've got to be careful with Jedi - what with the Skywalker saga, Kenobi and the Clone Wars series, we've seen a LOT of the jedi - there's little left to be explored there, I feel. Ahsoka series 2 looks like it might be filming next year so we'll likely see more live action Nightsister Witches on Dathomir again, which might be interesting. I'd really, really like to see the Quinlan Vos/Asajj Ventress story arc done as a live action series, or even a well done animation (just not as a kiddies cartoon) series - that would be rather good.
Just no more Star Wars/Goonies mash-ups, for goodness' sake!

The thing with Ashoka is that she's not technically a Jedi. I think there is plenty of the 'force' still to be explored. How many other non-aligned force users are out there?

How many force sensitive people are there out there?

Are there any other force using factions? Baylon Skoll was a good example of a Jedi that had turned bad, but not necessarily straight forward dark side.