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Re: Question: German Zeppelin Droptroops
« Reply #15 on: 08 March 2010, 03:03:51 PM »
Absolutely, it's the use of 'Freikorps' with 'Anarchist' I can't get my head round. 'Demobbed soldiers who've gone Anarchist' I can get my head round, even in some weird way 'Anarchist Mercenaries', though to be honest most mercenaries are kinda a-political. What do you do if the guy paying the money has different beliefs? Do you continue fighting for the 'wrong' side? Then what makes you an 'Anarchist' mercenary as opposed to a non-political one? Or do you stop fighting? Then you're not a mercenary...

But 'Anarchist International Shock-Troopers from the Floating People's Collective of Everywhere', now that I can believe in!

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Re: Question: German Zeppelin Droptroops
« Reply #16 on: 08 March 2010, 03:26:44 PM »
OK
can live with that

maybe it's also because "Freikorps" is tagged historically in other languages but not 100% in german, where it can also mean "free-corps", a free body of troops.
maybe the  full meaning would be

demobbed german WWI soldiers of anarchist allegiance, employed by the Anarchist International, similar to the historical Freikorps' of different allegiance  ....
damn, I just liked the lead dolls and there is no other place I can put them but Germany  ;)
OH, now that I think about it:
black uniforms does raise a faschist connotation.....
imagine a Zeppelin in black with red bits :  "oh, You left out the swastika for PC..."

Well, I'll have to try it out.
Inspirations still welcome

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Re: Question: German Zeppelin Droptroops
« Reply #17 on: 08 March 2010, 03:41:18 PM »
ah, found something

1915, by  Louis Guingot


« Last Edit: 08 March 2010, 03:47:38 PM by bedwyr »

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Re: Question: German Zeppelin Droptroops
« Reply #18 on: 08 March 2010, 03:58:32 PM »
Were German Anarchists using the red-and-black flag in the 1920s? My understanding (which could be wrong, I'm no expert) is that it's associated with the Anarcho-Syndicalists in France and especially Spain in the 1930s. I would think that German Anarchists would more likely have used black and white.

Just looked it up on Anarchist.net and found this link - http://anarchism.ws/faq/append2.html#redblack - which claims that the 'red and black' was invented in Spain in 1931, for the Anarcho-Syndicalists. Most Anarchist groups used the Black Flag, and some Anarchists such as Kropotkin preferred the Red Flag as they considered it the the traditional flag of the workers' movement (wiki article on Kropotkin - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Kropotkin).

I get the point about the non-specific nature of 'Freikorps' in German - in English, 'free companies' were medieval bands of soldiers that wandered Europe as mercenaries, around the time of the Hundred Years War. I think the German term 'Freikorps' could possibly be used for the same thing; but in English, the use of the German term means pretty much only mercenary or volunteer units of anti-revolutionary soldiers between 1918-1922 or thereabouts.

I didn't know about the anti-Napoleonic 'Freikorps' of the early C19th until I just looked it up on Wiki. Learn something every day!
« Last Edit: 29 May 2018, 02:49:43 PM by Red Orc »

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Re: Question: German Zeppelin Droptroops
« Reply #19 on: 08 March 2010, 04:53:31 PM »
I think You are correct about the black/red flag, but everyone would recognize it for Anarchist

black white could mean everything, even pro Kaiser
well anyway, there won't be drop troop flags or black/red zeps
Nemo and Robur both have black flags, and although Verne does not name the anarchists, the spirit is pretty much the same.
I think the I'll include the Phantom too  :D

Maybe I'll try a virtual painting in anthracite and french camo with leather brown gear and red effects first and see how it turns out

 

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