Which rules for 28mm?

[GregX999]

Ok, I'm starting to get interested in WW2 skirmish in 28mm. What rules should I be looking at for games of between 10 to 50 figures per side, with maybe, sometimes, a vehicle or two added in, typically on a 4'x4' or 4'x6' table?

I know of the Iron Ivan rules as well as Rules of Engagement, but I've not read the rules or played them. I'm sure there are others I've not heard of as well.

I'm looking for something that does a decent job modeling suppression and leadership, and also is a bit unpredictable (random activations, random movement, not all units getting to activate each turn, things like that). And of course, fun!

Anyone?

[Will Bailie]

I asked almost the same question a few weeks ago on TMP.

Here's the discussion - hope it helps!

http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=209914

[Sheerluck Holmes]

Arc of Fire is another good set (I also have the others mentioned) and it uses cards to determine which units move, or don't move if the turn ends.

http://mysite.verizon.net/fisherts/skirmishcampaigns/aof/

[joroas]

Check out FUBAR.  They're free so no outlay if you don't like them:

http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=22099.0

[Pentaro]

http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=19337.0

A WW2 version of Mud & Blood should appear next year, do not miss it.

[Axebreaker]

I like Disposable Heroes.It does a lot of what you say, the activation isn't completely random,but also isn't I move everything then you,rather you move one element then I move one etc.It's a pretty popular set of rules and plays quick with easy to understand rules.

http://www.ironivangames.com/quartermaster.html

Christopher

[matakishi]

I'll just mention Crossfire because it's expected of me
http://www.matakishi.com/crossfire.htm
http://www.matakishi.com/crossfire01.htm
http://www.matakishi.com/worldcrossfireday1.htm

[redzed]

I'll just mention Crossfire because it's expected of me

[Agis]

I'll just mention Crossfire because it's expected of me

OK, then I have to chime in with World at War!
 
http://www.adpublishing.de/html/gear_krieg_faq.html
Suppression is in, leadership is incorporated but there are no classic Ld rolls.
Unpredictable is low...

[elysium64]

I have both Crossfire and the Operation Overlord 1944 (will need to adapt the later as I will be gaming France 1940) I do like the look of the card system
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/463340/an-overlooked-gem-
http://www.alzozero.it/2009/uk_html/index.html
Download rules, cards and everything you need here:
http://www.alzozero.it/eng/html/download.html
About to produce a 2nd edition, an excellent set of rules unfortunately overlooked, I think due to being associated with soft plastic figures, I have adapted these with no effort for 28mm games. Will suit the game style you asked for perfectly.

[ogryn]

NUTS sounds like the rules you are looking for. They fit what you mentioned.
They are from Two-Hour Wargames.
I do not like the rules at all, but many do.
I prefer Iran Ivan for participation games and Secrets of the Third Reich for head-to-head games.
I do not know anything about Rules of Engagement but have been looking to try them out.
Good Luck.

[revford]

We've got Nuts, Rules of Engagement and World at War.  I like them all.  RoE and WaW would both be good for the size of games you're talking about.

I'm not sure Crossfire is suited for 10 models a side, but 50 a side would be a massive but easily manageable game.

Likewise Nuts would suit 10 a side but 50 a side I fear it would bog down.

[Weird WWII]

It's Battleground WWII for all my wargaming.

Brian

[Mac V]

All depends on what you are looking for.

Rules of Engagement is great for infantry based games with few tanks. I'm not a total fan of their armor rules, but it's a fine game.

Rate of Fire is a fun all-around game with the addition of their new armor rules. If you've ever played 40K, it won't be totally unfamiliar to you. I've played more of this set than ROE and it makes for a fast, fun, FLUID game.

Disposable Heroes has great armor rules. They rule for Tankers Challenge games. The rules play pretty fast, but I've had issues with a few players at cons with some of the abstractions in relation to infantry.

Battleground WWII is one of my favorites as well. If your looking for rules with a large amount of detail, these are the rules for you. A little slower, but TONS of flavor.

You can't really go wrong with any of them.

[Terrible Tim]

I have just bought Disposable Heroes and 2 suppliments. It appears to be a descent set of skirmish rules (on first read, but not played) and very cheap. I bought them to play with a few squads of infantry, a truck or 2 and occassionally a tank or artillery. The basic rule book has the 4 main counties' "basic" army lists. For more details lists, additional books have to be purchase (the reason I bought the suppliments). The suppliments are also well priced. There is also lots of stuff on its yahoo group:
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ironivan/?yguid=242254463

There is also a zombie suppliment coming !