War of the Triple Alliance/ Guerra do Paraguai.

[Shipka]

Hope you are still considering
project

[Kingscarbine]

Hi guys,

I've decide to invest some of my piggy bank money and start a company. I'll start with a couple of 28mm packs for the WotTA/PW. There's no date and I'm still considering turnning to Kickstarter for some investment or request you generous contributions to help pay the the sculptors and production moulds. Anyone contributing will receive they investment in figures and a special figure of D. Pedro II, Emperor of Brazil, mounted and in campaign dress. I have Ebob a Paul Hicks waiting for the list(s) to start sculpting and send dollies to Griffin Moulds. My plan is to start sloew and see how it goes. I hope to finish the range in a couple of years or more depending on the sales. My aim is to make compatible figures with the Perry's ACW range as some of their stuff will work nicely for the period and yo could get the artillery pieces and other equipment from them.

Bellow is the preliminary list. Feel free to comment and advise what figures should I add or slash. Anyone interested in contributing with either money or services please send PM.

The Paraguayan War, 1864-1870

Paraguay
   High Command (Lopez, Marcó and ADC)
   Mounted Generals (Barrios, Díaz and Estigarribia)
   Mounted coronels
   Line Infantry, marching/advancing
   Line Infantry, skirmishing
   Line Infantry, marching/advancing w/ spears
   Line Infantry Command marching/advancing (2 officers, 2 standard bearers, 2 musicians)
   Line Infantry Command standing (2 officers, 2 standard bearers, 2 musicians)
   Ragged Line Infantry, skirmishing (w/ assorted weapons, loin cloth and poncho)
   Ragged Line Infantry, advancing
   Ragged Line Infantry Command (2 officers, 2 standard bearers, 2 musicians)
   Line Cavalry w/ shako and lance
   Line Cavalry w/ hats and lance
   Line Cavalry Command (officers, standard bearer, buggler)
   Aca-Vera Dragoon Rgt.
   Aca-Vera Dragoon Rgt. Command (officers, standard bearer, buggler)
   Aca-Caraya Guard Rgt.
   Aca-Caraya Guard Rgt. Command (officers, standard bearer, buggler)
   Militia, advancing (w/ chiripá and regulation dress)
   Militia, skirmishing (w/ chiripá and regulation dress)
   Militia, advancing w/ pikes and spears
   Militia Infantry Command (2 officers, 2 standard bearers, 2 musicians)
   Militia/Irregular Cavalry
   Militia Lancers
   Militia Cavalry Command (officers, standard bearer, buggler)
   Artillery Crew  (w/ chiripá and regulation dress)
   Ragged Artillery Crew  (w/ chiripá , loin cloth)

 
Argentina
   High Command (Mitre, Paunero, Emilio Mitre)
   Mounted coronels
   Line Infantry, marching (regulation dress)
   Line Infantry, skirmishing
   Line Infantry Command (2 officers, 2 standard bearers, 2 musicians)
   Line Infantry advancing (tropical uniform)
   Line Infantry, skirmishing
   Line Infantry Command (2 officers, 2 standard bearers, 2 musicians)
   Legion Militar advancing
   Legion Militar Command
   Line Cavalry
   Line Cavalry Command (officers, standard bearer, buggler)
   Guardia Nacional, advancing
   Guardia Nacional, skirmishing
   Guardia Nacional  Command (2 officers, 2 standard bearers, 2 musicians)
   Guardia Nacional  Cavalry
   Guardia Nacional  Cavalry Command (officers, standard bearer, buggler)
   Guardia Nacional  Lancers
   Guardia Nacional  Lancers Command (officers, standard bearer, buggler)
   Line Artillery Crew

 
Brazil
   High Command (Osório, Caxias, Count d’Eu)
   Mounted Generals (Porto Alegre, Polidoro and Barreto)
   Mounted Colonels
   Fusiliers, marching (w/ kepi)
   Fusiliers, marching (w/ barracks cap)
   Fusiliers, skirmishing (w/ kepi)
   Fusiliers, skirmishing (w/ barracks cap)
   Fusiliers Command (2 officers, 2 standard bearers, 2 musicians)
   Caçadores, advancing (w/ kepi)
   Caçadores, advancing (w/ barracks cap)
   Caçadores skirmishing (w/ kepi)
   Caçadores skirmishing (w/ barracks cap)
   Caçadores Command (2 officers, 2 standard bearers, 2 musicians)
   Voluntarios da Pátria,  marching (w/ hat)
   Voluntarios da Pátria, marching (w/ havelock)
   Voluntarios da Pátria, marching (w/ barracks cap)
   VdP  Command, marching (2 officers, 2 standard bearers, 2 musicians)
   Voluntarios da Pátria, skirmishing (w/ havelock)
   Voluntarios da Pátria, skirmishing (w/ barracks cap)
   Voluntarios da Pátria, skirmishing (w/ hat)
   Voluntarios da Pátria Command (2 officers, 2 standard bearers, 2 musicians)
   Line Cavalry w/ carbines
   Dismounted Cavalry skirmishing
   Line Cavalry w/ lance
   Line Cavalry, assorted headdress, w/ lance
   Line Cavalry Command
   National Guard, advancing
   National Guard, skirmishing
   National Guard Command (2 officers, 2 standard bearers, 2 musicians)
   National Guard Cavalry
   National Guard Lancers (Gauchos)
   National Guard Command (Gauchos)
   Line Artillery Crew
   Horse Artillery Crew
   Artillery Crew w/ ponchos

Uruguay
   High Command (Flores, Palleja, Castro)
   Libertad Battalion
   Libertad Command (2 officers, 1 NCO, 1 standard bearer, 2 musicians)
   Florida Battalion
   Florida Command (2 officers, 1 NCO, 1 standard bearer, 2 musicians)
   24 de Abril Battalion
   24 de Abril Command (2 officers, 1 NCO, 1 standard bearer, 2 musicians)
   Line Cavalry
   Line Cavalry Command
   Artillery Crew

[Maichus]

Good luck! 

To which total of miniatures (infantry/cavalry) does your list amount?  Looks like a couple of hundreds.

[Kingscarbine]

Yes, its a big list but I think it will be trimmed a bit shorter. I'm hopping to have some feedback to see if there are redundant figures or additional requests. I hope to have it all done in 6 years. If I last that long... 

[cdr]

congratulations ! and luck

Carl

[carlos marighela]

Good luck amigo. Having failed to follow through myself, I'm happy to see someone pick up the torch.

If you will permit me to make a few comments. I'd focus on core elements first. It's a very niche interest in what is a niche market overall. Look waht happened to the Austro-Prussian 1866 range that took this approach.

Fabulous list but I'm inclined to think that it's depth would be unlikely to be supported by volume of trade. I'd be inlined to look at smaller chunks.

For Paraguay, really you want some variety from uniformed to semi naked. I'd be inclined to go for skirmishing or firing line figures as for most of the bigger and wel known battles they were on the defensive. Infantry skirmishing  in uniform;  infantry skirmishing in chiripas, in various states of undress. Cavalry, obviously, and then artillery.

Brazil I'd be inclined to limit to two types of infantry. Regulars and Voluntários da Pátria. The latter only really being noticeable by dint of the pleats and blousing on the tunics. Give them head variants. Kepi, hat and sidecap.  I'd recommend an advancing pose.

Cavalry? Well given the bulk of the cavalry were from the south, I'd go for the gaucho style. That means that they will also work for Argentinos. As much of the figure will be covered with a poncho it alos means that given suitable head variants the figures will work for both earlier and later conflicts.

Whilst it would be lovely to see Zouaves da Bahia, Uruguaios tricked out like icecream salesmen etc, I suspect that many people will realise that some items can be adopted from other ranges, like ACW and FPW. Argentine infantry in tropical uniforms is an easy steal from plastic Perry ACW types for instance.

Good luck. As I said it's a very small market so don't sink to much cash but at least you will have one guaranteed customer if the plans come to fruition. 

[traveller]

I will buy any irregulars that can be generally used for South American conflicts. I am afraid I am not so interested in the conflict as such, unless Hicks performs his usual miracles 

[Shipka]

I will over time buy an army`s worth of each but would like you to start with Brazil

[Kingscarbine]

Thanks for the interest, support and feedback my friends. I'll also be involved in the sculpting as Paul Hicks is overwhelmed with commissions and will only have time for the odd figure. I'm thinking about reducing the list and make separate heads available for conversion. That way you can use ACW figures to beef up the armies. There's a wonderful example in Black Powder of a Brazilian infantryman converted from a Perry ACW and French Napo figure.

I'll probably start with Paraguayans and Brazilians and see how it goes. Next Argentinians and Uruguayans in campaign dress (no parade dress as they were only used at Yatay).

I'll keep you all informed of developments and updates here or on my blog.

@Carlos

Thanks for the heads up. Do you think there should be packs of Brazilian Caçadores? Was the uniform different from the line? I think they used a different weapon (rifle or carbine) from the rest. More info and feedback will be enormously appreciated.

Cheers,

Nuno

[carlos marighela]

@Carlos

Thanks for the heads up. Do you think there should be packs of Brazilian Caçadores? Was the uniform different from the line? I think they used a different weapon (rifle or carbine) from the rest. More info and feedback will be enormously appreciated.

In practical terms not a lot. Certain uniform distinctions but a paint job would cover it all in campaign dress. I believe some battalions were issued with different firearms but that is true of the army as a whole. Illustrations do tend to show more examples of the sidecap but there would likely be a mix amongst trrops on campaign. The idea of head variants would be a good one. There was a preference for the hat in the 2nd Army Corps. Kepis sloch hats, a few straw and civilian broad brimmed hats and the side cap.

Barroso is the best guide for uniforms. Every other illustration you see, save the occasional photo has almost invariably been lifted from his works,including the Foundry book.

[phalanx]

Hello, I introduce myself , I am  an argentinian veteran wargamer, more than 20 years, and the Triple Alliance war is the first in my wishlist. Me and some friends tried to do the armies converting some frenchs for the franco prussian war, acw, crimean frenchs( for uruguayan batallions) even indian mutineers for paraguayan.
Nuno I will offer you all the information about uniforms that I have.  I agree with Carlos with the posses and to reduce the list, for example the Lopez Guard ,(Aca Caraya), never use the full uniform in battle.
Eventually I can offer you a little contribution to the project.

Regards

Horacio   

[Kingscarbine]

Hola Horacio,

Thanks for the support. I'll certainly count on you to deliver all the necessary information for sculpting the Argentinians. I'm also interested in the civil wars of the 1830's - 1850's... But that's a personal project. 

I'm already reducing the list. Some packs will have soldiers with assorted headgear (kepis and barrack caps or hats and barrack caps) and others with just one (infantry with havelock); Command packs will be either advancing/marching or standing; and I'm considering having packs of heads for converting units and personalise officers, etc. More news soon(ish).

"Atiradores, avante!"

Nuno

[phalanx]

Hola Nuno

I have a lot of information of the Argentinian units (including the national guard and provincial guards) also of the paraguayan and Brazilian armies. It was the  South America biggest war.
I am very interested in our civil war from 1820/1852 too, but these is another subject. When you wil know more about the uniforms and armies of these period do not hesitate to contact me.

I hope to hearing about the triple alliance war soonest.

Saludos, regards

Horacio

[Kingscarbine]

Hi,

I'm going ahead with the range. My plan is to start simply, with basic troops from each army (that includes infantry, cavalry and artillery), giving customers enough to make a playable force from each side. I decided to build the range chronologically. This might be a good way to work as armies change in some way throughout the war.

This is what I propose to do in the first stage:

PARAGUAY
Mounted Generals
Mounted Colonels
Line Infantry marching/advancing (shouldered musket)
Line Infantry command marching /advancing (can get away with using these for the Militia)
Militia marching /advancing (shouldered musket)
Line Cavalry w/shako and lance
Line Cavalry command
Artillery crews

ARGENTINA
Mounted Generals
Mounted Colonels
Line Infantry marching regulation dress
Line Infantry command marching
Line Infantry marching tropical dress
Line Cavalry
Line Cavalry command
Artillery crews

BRAZIL
Mounted Generals
Mounted Colonels
Line Infantry marching kepi
Line Infantry command
Voluntarios da Patria marching hat
Voluntarios da Patria Command
National Guard Cavalry (Gauchos)
National Guard command
Line Cavalry
Line Cavalry command
Artillery crews

URUGUAY
Florida Battalion
Florida command

Anyone interested in contributing either financially or with info can PM me or email. Those who contribute financially will be considered "The Founding Fathers" and will have special status (first to get figures, discounts and special figures). I'm going to set up a Kingscarbine Miniatures/Paraguayan War Forum on Facebook to ease communication and feedback.

Regards,

Nuno
"Kingscarbine Miniatures" 

[Kingscarbine]

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