17th/21st Lancers anywhere?

[Admiral Benbow]

I was just looking through some ranges, but couldn't find some decent 28mm british lancers in nice charging poses. Even the Perrys don't have them (perhaps later?). Any suggestions from the experts here?
Thanks in advance ...
 

[Plynkes]

What do you want 'em for? The 17th/21st didn't do much until they got their tanks. There's some inter-war colonial stuff out there, but not a whole hell of a lot.

[Plynkes]

Thinking about it, it is perfectly possible if you get the Great War Miniatures British early war cavalry (go for the lances option, obviously), chop their heads off and add Gripping Beast/Woodbine Wolseley helmet heads (which are available separately).

[Dr Mathias]

I feel kind of stupid for mentioning the Empress Miniatures 17th figures, as I have to presume you have already heard about them and deemed them unsuited for your needs.



Really, I feel like I'm missing something obvious... do you want figures to represent the merger of the regiments after WW1? This post being in Colonial Adventures is confusing me!

 

[Plynkes]

Yes, the 17th/21st were formed in the 1920s. What exactly are you after, period-wise, Admiral?

[Admiral Benbow]

Sorry for the confusion. I was looking for lancer figures like those from the 17th or 21st. Both from their services in "colonial" theatres of war, like the 21st at Omdurman.

And no, Dr Mathias, I did not realize those gorgeous 17th from Empress. They must be quite new, are they?

Thanks for the info on the Great War Miniatures option, Plynkes. Will have a look at it. Could the Empress miniatures be used as 21st lancers in Sudan?

[H.M.Stanley]

At a pinch they may pass for the 1881-85 Campaign but not Omdurman etc i would have thought [even then we'd be pushing the envelope]

The Lancers look like they have the Plastron tunic [reversed to its blue colour on campaign]

I would quite like to be wrong then i could use them for the NWF (Malakand) and 2nd Boer War

[Dr Mathias]

...17th from Empress. They must be quite new, are they?

Yes, they're one of the more recent releases, maybe 3-4 months ago? They're specifically for the 17th in the Anglo-Zulu War but I'm told they can be used as 9th Lancers in the 2nd Afghan War. I personally don't think they look quite right for Sudan though.

[Plynkes]

Thanks for the info on the Great War Miniatures option, Plynkes. Will have a look at it. Could the Empress miniatures be used as 21st lancers in Sudan?

That info was because I thought you wanted to do 1920s 17th/21st in India. Not really suitable for 19th Century stuff (though with the right headgear conversion possibly more suitable than the Empress ones if you are doing 1890s). Anyway, sorry about the mix-up.

To use the Empress figures as 21st Lancers in 1890s Sudan is possible, but with heavy conversion. But the amount of work you would have to do would probably mean it's not worth it.

You need to go from this...



to this...









The 5th Royal Irish Lancers were involved in the Suakin campaign of 1885 in the Sudan. The Empress figures are more suitable for that, but I confess I do not know exactly what uniform they wore at the time. This picture shows them, but not from the front...



I have a bigger, clearer version in a book at home. They are wearing puggarees on their helmets and puttees on their legs, so you'd need to alter those two points of detail. Can't tell if they are wearing the plastron-fronted lancer jacket or not (though their jackets seem to be dark-coloured, not khaki), and they have ammo bandoleers which would need to be added, and appear to be wearing khaki trousers.

[H.M.Stanley]

9th Lancers for the 2nd Afghan War ...

http://www.britishbattles.com/second-afghan-war/kandahar.htm

One of my favourite periods; you can bung in all sorts of figures, Redcoats, Highlanders in khaki, Sikhs, Punjab Frontier Force ...

[Admiral Benbow]

Many thanks for all the information, Plynkes and H.M.Stanley. I will definitely not convert the Empress miniatures to 21st Lancers, but like the idea to use them for the 9th Lancers in the 2nd Afghan War. Whatever, I need to get those brilliant Empress cavalry miniatures!

[Hobbit]

Probably not up to today's sculpting standards but I think Essex make 21st Lancers for Omdurman.

BTW, no British cavalry served in the Malakand campaign of the 1890's - only native regiments - except a small detachment from 4th Dragoon Guards that was involved in a very minor skirmish in late 1897 and the 16th Lancers' Maxim detachment as far as I know (always very happy to receive new info though).

[H.M.Stanley]

Probably not up to today's sculpting standards but I think Essex make 21st Lancers for Omdurman.

BTW, no British cavalry served in the Malakand campaign of the 1890's - only native regiments - except a small detachment from 4th Dragoon Guards that was involved in a very minor skirmish in late 1897 and the 16th Lancers' Maxim detachment as far as I know (always very happy to receive new info though).

Ha ha - the comment was meant tongue in cheek, but i stand corrected 

I'm reading a library copy of Churchill's book, complete with maps, at the moment

The best thing about the 2nd Anglo-Afghan War, for me, is that i get to combine me Piffers with my friend's Sikh War troops [well,  the Sikhs anyway) and then realise that we don't have enough Tribes to fight

I need more Pathans .. 

[Hammers]

To use the Empress figures as 21st Lancers in 1890s Sudan is possible, but with heavy conversion.

That's what I am going to use/do when I get around to it. Lovely, lovely poses. I wish there was a suitable crashing horse and rider to use as a suppression marker.



Just look at that nag turning its head to accommodate the lancers thrust...

[carlos marighela]

Well I s'pose there's always Minifigs.