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Offline carlos marighela

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Re: Modern Imagi-nations and such like
« Reply #60 on: January 15, 2013, 11:18:37 AM »
Pity, I was going to invite myself over. It's been more than twenty years since I was last in Las Vegas and  rather enjoyed myself the last time.
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Offline Brummie

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Re: Modern Imagi-nations and such like
« Reply #61 on: January 15, 2013, 01:05:18 PM »
Yep, I don't gamble, do drugs, live in a casino or go to the strip if I can help it.  lol

 lol Sounds like the ultimate form of Spiritual warrior monk training in seeing how long you can resist temptation.

I have actually recieved more flak of being a War studies student than being a Wargamer, and often when I do its because people often have some sort of bone to pick, or a motive, are beyond reason and just out to cause you grief. A lot of them being downright ignorant.

I often post pics of what I'm painting on FB, and I get positive comments, and if I see people the next day, they even ask me about it (most of them women) they find it strangely interesting. Other dudes are the worst ones, the amount of 'but computer gaming so much cheaper' (which is bullshit) or 'but I ain't got the time' or 'I can't be arsed'. Older folks (30s-40s) tend to be far more 'well your wierd' but I think they are the mainstream for the period in which they grew up in. Put it this way, the Uni course I did was codenamed 'Peace studies' about two decades ago, because it was feared it would be seen as 'Pro-War' and get removed, due to the mindset of many leading persons/student movements in the University.

I think nowadays due to computer gaming, and other wierd hobbies, wargaming is seen a lot differently. Its not voilent, it can actually be quite a social experience, you get something out of it, its -different-, and
it can be quite imaginative, and you learn something. As Scurv said its relaxing, and an art form. Doing it doesn't mean your some sort of war junky afterall, its a hobby/game, and having an interest in a form of human interaction that leaves a big impact on our society, culture etc is extremely valid. Ignoring it utterly would just be daft, its one of the reasons we end up with wars in the first place.

We did a course on wargaming in Uni funnily enough, and why people do it, and we effectively came to the conclusion that its just another way of people expressing an interest in human conflict. Everyone effectively does it, just not via that format some do it by physically engaging in violence, others by sports, computer games, mentally screwing peeps over etc.

Of course the key to it all is to make quite clear to everyone that you couldn't give a shit what they think on the matter if they don't want to be civil over it.

Offline Arlequín

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Re: Modern Imagi-nations and such like
« Reply #62 on: January 15, 2013, 03:22:29 PM »
I can't remember which one, but one of the shows back in the 80's was subject to picketing/boycott by some peace group, or CND, or someone. I gather they were a bit disappointed when they found out what we actually did.

lol

Interesting point about 'everyone wargames in their own way' though and I suspect it's probably right. That is however a whole new discussion!

I've said a few times, that if they re-presented gladiatorial combat, in full, it would likely be the most viewed sport on TV/most attended public event. In some respects, we're drifting that way already... 'ultimate fighter', 'cage-fighting' etc. I suspect it would only take a few people to push against the 'moral minority' and we would unfortunately be there. Or maybe I have too little faith in the essential goodness of people.

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Offline carlos marighela

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Re: Modern Imagi-nations and such like
« Reply #63 on: January 15, 2013, 09:21:03 PM »
I can't remember which one, but one of the shows back in the 80's was subject to picketing/boycott by some peace group, or CND, or someone. I gather they were a bit disappointed when they found out what we actually did.

lol

Interesting point about 'everyone wargames in their own way' though and I suspect it's probably right. That is however a whole new discussion!

I've said a few times, that if they re-presented gladiatorial combat, in full, it would likely be the most viewed sport on TV/most attended public event. In some respects, we're drifting that way already... 'ultimate fighter', 'cage-fighting' etc. I suspect it would only take a few people to push against the 'moral minority' and we would unfortunately be there. Or maybe I have too little faith in the essential goodness of people.

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Offline Rob_bresnen

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Re: Modern Imagi-nations and such like
« Reply #64 on: January 15, 2013, 09:44:43 PM »
I always think footballs a bit childish.I mean, it's fine for kids to kick a ball about in a park, but adults?

I find that a useful counter-argument to any sports fans who think what we do is weird.
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Offline carlos marighela

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Re: Modern Imagi-nations and such like
« Reply #65 on: January 16, 2013, 05:06:18 AM »
I always think footballs a bit childish.I mean, it's fine for kids to kick a ball about in a park, but adults?

I find that a useful counter-argument to any sports fans who think what we do is weird.

Oh dear. That makes me doubly or maybe thrice times childish. I don't kick a ball around except with my children in the park but I do enjoy watching  footy and rugby. Whilst I enjoy wargaming, painting, modelling and most of all researching this sort of stuff it can't come close to the sheer passion and wonderful sense of mass particpation as attending a game. I challenge anyone to say that they get the electric thrill of watching a great match or the sense of being part of larger living organism from attending a wargaming convention. Ok, I suppose there might be someone out there who does but I'd mark them down as really fucking odd. lol
« Last Edit: January 16, 2013, 07:31:23 AM by carlos marighela »

Offline Arlequín

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Re: Modern Imagi-nations and such like
« Reply #66 on: January 16, 2013, 10:38:36 AM »
What is making me laugh harder is wargamers are for the most part very non violent softies when it comes to the real thing.

I don't know, while I'd put myself in that category, I've met a few that believe in the 'noble profession of arms', the 'brotherhood of war' and 'bring back conscription!'... despite having never experienced them, or likely to.

I bet it was a case of some lads mother getting a bee in her bonnet and dragging the rest of the west ham mothers against nuclear weapons along.

It were students iirc, y'know, the 'let's wear home-made looking clothes and not shave our legs' types... there might have been a lesbian or two as well, as a couple of them were quite friendly and approachable, despite the threat we posed to world peace with our hobby.

Do I hear a vaguely muffled, yet none the less heartfelt cry for a return of It's a Knockout to the telly?

Jeux Sans Frontières if you please, it's an international forum after all. I like to think that even the Romans would have drawn the line at that though. I was surprised to find that it was Charles de Gaulle who came up with the original idea for it!

Thanks for causing that Peter Gabriel song to play on endless loop my head btw!  >:(


I'm no fan of watching sports either... played this and that over the years and enjoyed it... but sit and watch? Not for me. However wargames shows are something else. Someone's blog reminded me of Harry Pearson's comment on them in his book 'Achtung Schweinehund!' - "There was nothing more guaranteed to put you off wargaming than to go to a wargames show. Yet I was drawn back to them like a salmon to its spawning ground. Or a dog to its own vomit."

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Offline Arlequín

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Re: Modern Imagi-nations and such like
« Reply #67 on: January 16, 2013, 02:20:27 PM »
... it would come across as a slightly psychotic rant with far too many swear words.

Thanks, that really helped me put what followed firmly in the 'non-psychotic rant' category and I was able to appreciate it much more.  lol

I do get it though, fashion re-hashes are usually led by people who either; have no idea what they are on about, or do, but prefer to do it how they think it should have been, but nobody listened to them back then.

:D

So.... imagi-nations...  ;)

Offline Red Orc

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Re: Modern Imagi-nations and such like
« Reply #68 on: January 16, 2013, 10:08:29 PM »
Well my 'Imagi-England' includes Melchester. That's about as close to sport as I get.

Offline Hildred Castaigne

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Re: Modern Imagi-nations and such like
« Reply #69 on: January 17, 2013, 01:57:52 AM »
Dont get me started on fucking hipsters either. I just ended up in hipster central and it was too much. If you want to be a rockabilly then for fucks sake sunshine dont get all your pointers from google. Seriously I could of wept. Yeah tight black jeans with folded ends are rockabilly, skinhead too. BUT not I repeat not with red and black striped socks and lounge shoes, and christ on a crutch folded is more than ONE fold. It was like little lord fultenroy meets the B-52's. The worst bit was this hipster doofus actually thought he was cool and all the other wannabe hip people were too fucking dumb to know it wasn't because they didnt have an app on their i-phones to tell them that.
It's almost like they never left secondary school!  lol
They are kind of funny to sit back and watch though. When a load of them are together it's like something between a fashion show and a dick measuring contest.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2013, 02:25:50 AM by Hildred Castaigne »

Offline commissarmoody

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Re: Modern Imagi-nations and such like
« Reply #70 on: January 17, 2013, 06:35:03 AM »
Your a better man then I Scurv, went to a show last week and it was full of those hipster beatniks. Set me into instant stomp mode so I had to take an out. Also the $10 dollar cover was a big deterrent to me also. 10 dollars are 4 pints and I will be damned if the fat, ugly, hipster chick with the fake glasses at the door is going to drink on my dime.  lol
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Re: Modern Imagi-nations and such like
« Reply #71 on: January 17, 2013, 08:36:15 AM »
Are we straying somewhat far from discussion of imaginary countries chaps?  ???
I am debating as to whether to use my My Kevlar helmeted middle eastern Elhiem Figures, as some Generic middle eastern country's troops. Or as some South American storm troopers, for some Junta. Ether way my My US troops will be used to stomp them.

Offline Rob_bresnen

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Re: Modern Imagi-nations and such like
« Reply #72 on: January 17, 2013, 08:51:37 AM »
someone really needs to make some guys in modern body armour, kevlar helmets with AK47s. In 28mm.

They could be used for all sorts of conflicts around the world, from Middle East, Africa, South America etc. They would be very useful.

Something like these guys...








Offline carlos marighela

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Re: Modern Imagi-nations and such like
« Reply #73 on: January 17, 2013, 09:21:47 AM »
Second that suggestion. Actually, if they came with separate weapons or right arms, it would be nice to have a range of options, AKs, Galils, FALs and G-3s. Worth pursuing as a Eureka 100 club suggestion.

Offline Arlequín

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Re: Modern Imagi-nations and such like
« Reply #74 on: January 17, 2013, 12:07:18 PM »
I'm all for multiculturalism and diversity... but Kosta must be forced to concentrate on the 1960 and 70's ranges he's begun.
There, I have spoken!

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I am somewhat bemused that a lot of the photos I usually see of African militaries, show pretty much timeless warriors (i.e. c.1965+), whose only concession to the 21st Century is the K-Pot. A few of the countries that maintain 'intervention forces' have invested in body armour and somewhat more advanced weapons, but the bulk don't have them.

I recall seeing a photo of some South American (Honduran?) troops a while back, who were the spitting image of c.1982 Israelis - right down to their LBE and helmets. Mongrel's Israelis should fit the bill for them.

I would think that any figures with the appropriate paintwork would work as 'Africans'. I usually cringe in anticipation when someone announces that they are doing 'black' soldiers, as usually it's just a case of depicting characterised and exaggerated features (rubbery lips and wide noses - the usual stuff) on the figures (not counting those ranges where all their figures look like that, European or not). They are usually a far cry from Africans I've ever met... who do indeed vary in appearance, both across the continent as a whole and even within the same locale.

 

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