The LAF Games Workshop Discussion Thread

[pocoloco]

Seems that most of you have played the game(s) in wrong type of company. Never attended a tournament myself (as the idea of tournament is mostly about winning it, isn't it?) and never played with any power-gamer types either. I suggest to try just playing amongst your friends and especially with those who enjoy a good narrative game and flexibility amongst the rules, lists and whatnots. It kind of takes away the stress factor from gaming and makes it what it should be in the first place, fun.

[Elbows]

And it used to be...when I played back in 2nd edition, and even a little bit of 3rd.  The issue here is that the rules have gone far more tournament/meta...removing character and fun in pursuit of constant power-creep point/counter-point, etc. 

And if I'm honest, the rules are a bit crap...so I'm fine taking some cool figs but I've no interest in playing their rules sets anymore.  

[Tactalvanic]

But that's what its really all about isn't it.

Its supposed to be fun. I want it to be fun - never ever bothered beyond the first look with tournament stuff - if I wanted to play with numbers, stats and lists like that I would have second job as an accountant for a hobby.

No. give me some silly and some fun, some Dark/Grim marines and nutcase orcs etc.

I remember them in shops, they were readily available in local model shops and smiths etc, no need for a dedicated one-man-band store, it was interesting and oh, I wish them luck with it and there's always room for some hope.

Granted I probably won't be able to afford it. After all its a GW product, if those are the prices they are quoting now, before they possibly hit the shops in November... How much more will they cost when they are actually available 

[pocoloco]

I haven't tried out the latest editions of GW rules for many years so I must have missed several different versions already. Maybe I should buy again the early versions of 40K and FB rules and use them   Then again I'm not that much into mass battles anymore in the first place.

[Vermis]

All this news sounds promising. Although I have to put on my tinfoil hat before I start thinking too hard about why those BB humans look like they'd be more comfortable with a lasgun in their hands instead of a halberd.

Second GW fantasy game to leave the old world behind? Will there be a sigmarine team?

Gah! Too late.

[Elbows]

That's another key point for most of my game group...no interest in amassing large armies of figures.  The closest we come is the Rampant series, with 50-60 models a side or so.  I'll be honest, 2nd edition was far more abusive if you wanted to do so, and it was still not an excellent set of wargaming rules, but it had a lot of character/flavor and did much more to present the differences in the races and the cultures of the universe.

Almost every other wargaming rules set I've played since has been better...so I'm not even on an Old Hammer-esque kick, outside of the coolness of some of the older figures/models.  I still like the universe but I'd be fine playing it with other rules -as you're looking for in your skirmish thread pocoloco.

[Rhoderic]

So... I'm still wondering about the significance of that "Middle Earth Model Designer" job advert linked to a few pages back. What is the situation with GW and the numerous Tolkien-based licenses these days? They must be holding on to some license if they're still intending to make "new Middle Earth products".

I think there's at least three licenses: LotR movies, Hobbit movies, and the original books.

[Tactalvanic]

This old thing

http://investor.games-workshop.com/2011/02/09/243/

Not sure if there's anything more recent/detailed but would it be valid to assume a similar 6 years?

Maybe a last gasp - specialist game resurrection to eke something out of it?

[Hawkeye]

Growing up, I remember GW stuff (games, models, and paints) in toy stores/toy and craft stores. Maybe that was because it was Ireland in the 80s, and the economy and the population for a long time just couldn't support a dedicated games store. The only one I knew of and frequented was a store called The Dice Man in Dublin - what a dark cavern of a store that was! But they stocked roleplaying games, and Citadel miniatures, and miniatures from companies I didn't even know existed. Actually, now that I think about it, in the late eighties/early nineties, Virgin Megastore in Dublin used to sell RPGs and so on. Looking forward to Blood Bowl, to be honest. If it's good, and the models are nice, then it's a win. If it's not good (hard to imagine, really, unless they completely change the game), and the models are not good, then so be it. It's not like I'll stop playing Blood Bowl with the models and living rulebook that I already have. I will always be thankful to GW for being the gateway for me to tabletop games (other than roleplaying games), and what they are attacked for calling "the hobby" (which to me means everything around the game - miniatures, conversions, painting, terrain, and what-have-you). However much they disappoint me with what they're doing now, or have been doing in the last decade and more, I'm not going to attack them or badmouth them about it. It would be a bit like turning on your first girlfriend, or the first girl you kissed as a teenager - what would be the point, twenty or thirty years later?

[Rhoderic]

This old thing

http://investor.games-workshop.com/2011/02/09/243/

Not sure if there's anything more recent/detailed but would it be valid to assume a similar 6 years?

Maybe a last gasp - specialist game resurrection to eke something out of it?

I'm just very confused, then. What was all the talk about the licenses lapsing now? I haven't been paying full attention to developments at GW, so I may be in need of an infodump here.

[Tactalvanic]

I'm just very confused, then. What was all the talk about the licenses lapsing now? I haven't been paying full attention to developments at GW, so I may be in need of an infodump here.

Not sure, as that was just a quick google foo find.

Not really that up to speed on it either, for all I know the license will lapse before whoever they hire learns how to sculpt GW style?

[Vermis]

Growing up, I remember GW stuff (games, models, and paints) in toy stores/toy and craft stores. Maybe that was because it was Ireland in the 80s, and the economy and the population for a long time just couldn't support a dedicated games store.

I think it still has problems now. I know of five gaming shops around Belfast/east Ulster that closed down, and I only found out about three of them today.

Up here, AFAIK that leaves one in Newtownards and... GW.

[Hawkeye]

You're right, Vermis, Ireland is going through a bad recession again (as is Spain, and...so on). I was thinking more about how I considered it quite normal to buy GW stuff in toy stores right into the early oughties (what are we calling the first decade of the century, anyway?). Plus, while I don't particularly like GW anymore (either their games or their miniatures - although I did buy the plastic greatswords a while ago - lovely miniatures), I don't have any venom for them either. They introduced me to miniatures gaming, and I had lots of fun and have fond memories of first edition Warhammer, and those old Citadel blister packs, and Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay - fantastic! They made my teenage years what they were, for better or for worse.

[weismonsters]

FNAC went through a phase of having their stuff in stores in this part of the world for a while, but they seem to have given up on that. Not sure they got many sales.

[Cubs]

You're right, Vermis, Ireland is going through a bad recession again (as is Spain, and...so on).

Belfast and Ulster are UK, not Republic of Ireland. I think I'll leave it there because this one's a powder keg!