*

Recent Topics

Author Topic: Animals in Viking England help?  (Read 4090 times)

Offline FifteensAway

  • Galactic Brain
  • Posts: 5866
Animals in Viking England help?
« on: 17 August 2013, 11:35:17 PM »
I've volunteered to paint up some domestic animals for a club sponsored game for next year and am looking for images of animals from the Viking era - cows, goats, sheep, pigs, chickens, a dog and a cat, and some crows (might do the last as pigeons and magpies?).  Easy enough to paint up with contemporary images but some of our modern breeds did not exist back then.  Any one able to point me to some appropriate images in color?  If so, my many thanks.

We Were Gamers Once...and Young

Offline Atheling

  • Elder God
  • Posts: 12414
    • Just Add Water Wargaming Blog
Re: Animals in Viking England help?
« Reply #1 on: 18 August 2013, 07:43:05 AM »
Here's some pics I gathered from the net, not sure if they are all 'Dark Ages' (hate that phrase) but they should do as a start:




Offline Atheling

  • Elder God
  • Posts: 12414
    • Just Add Water Wargaming Blog
Re: Animals in Viking England help?
« Reply #2 on: 18 August 2013, 07:43:55 AM »
Although not strictly about the look of the animals, this might be usefull too:






Offline fastolfrus

  • Galactic Brain
  • Posts: 5308
Re: Animals in Viking England help?
« Reply #3 on: 18 August 2013, 09:57:46 AM »
Look at the RBST (Rare Breeds Survival Trust) as a starting point

https://www.rbst.org.uk/

For sheep probably look for Soay, Manx or Jacob, pigs probably Tamworth, cattle  Chillingham. Not sure about goats.
Might be worth looking at geese too.
Gary, Glynis, and Alasdair (there are three of us, but we are too mean to have more than one login)

Offline matakishi

  • The Teacher
  • Galactic Brain
  • Posts: 4480
  • Cousin of Hammers
    • Matakishi's Tea House
Re: Animals in Viking England help?
« Reply #4 on: 18 August 2013, 10:38:34 AM »
Ginger cats were brought to Britain by the Romans (and hence black cats also) and feature in Norse mythology too. Can't help you with the less interesting animals, sorry.

Offline FifteensAway

  • Galactic Brain
  • Posts: 5866
Re: Animals in Viking England help?
« Reply #5 on: 28 November 2013, 08:18:30 AM »
fastolfrus,

Thanks!  That link to the Rare Breeds Trust is exactly what I was looking for.  Will be a tremendous help in getting the look right.  Luckily I've been too busy to get a start painting the beasts yet.  Site bookmarked.
Very cool.

Offline 3 fingers

  • Mastermind
  • Posts: 1246
Re: Animals in Viking England help?
« Reply #6 on: 28 November 2013, 03:48:31 PM »
I'm not 100 percent sure,so don't shoot me down in flames but I think chickens would be the game/fighting cock kind.
 Cattle the longhorn/shorthorn type breeds
Sheep soay type
Goats similar to the feral types of Scotland/Ireland.
Edit to add pigs Tamworth /wild boar types?

Offline Mitch K

  • Mastermind
  • Posts: 1019
  • The Horror! The Horror!
    • Mitch's Wargaming and Modelmaking
Re: Animals in Viking England help?
« Reply #7 on: 28 November 2013, 06:38:11 PM »
I'm not 100 percent sure,so don't shoot me down in flames but I think chickens would be the game/fighting cock kind.
 Cattle the longhorn/shorthorn type breeds
Sheep soay type
Goats similar to the feral types of Scotland/Ireland.
Edit to add pigs Tamworth /wild boar types?

Sounds about right. Cattle at that time are thought to have been like the Chillingham/Park cattle
This was my take:
http://mitchwargaming.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/dark-ages-cattle.html
Measure with a micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with an axe, hammer to fit, paint to match!

Offline fastolfrus

  • Galactic Brain
  • Posts: 5308
Re: Animals in Viking England help?
« Reply #8 on: 28 November 2013, 10:03:35 PM »
Thanks!  That link to the Rare Breeds Trust is exactly what I was looking for. 

No worries.
On the plus side, you can sometimes find RBST members local to you if you want to get a really close look at livestock.
RBST often have a stand at the big agricultural shows.

As for chickens. There are some very attractive birds around, The Works usually has special calendars at this time of year. Otherwise, look in WHSmiths, they often have 2 or 3 chicken-fancier magazines (our local WHS has as many chicken mags as wargames titles)

Offline 3 fingers

  • Mastermind
  • Posts: 1246
Re: Animals in Viking England help?
« Reply #9 on: 28 November 2013, 10:14:24 PM »
The dorkings were supposed to be the eldest ,brought in by the Romans Apperently
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorking_(chicken)

Offline Mitch K

  • Mastermind
  • Posts: 1019
  • The Horror! The Horror!
    • Mitch's Wargaming and Modelmaking
Re: Animals in Viking England help?
« Reply #10 on: 28 November 2013, 11:05:02 PM »
The dorkings were supposed to be the eldest ,brought in by the Romans Apperently
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorking_(chicken)
There were chickens in Britain before the Romans, so they were probably Old English-like. The anecdotal evidence suggests that you can be fairly free and easy with your Viking era chickens!





Offline Paul

  • Mastermind
  • Posts: 1442
    • Paul´s Bods
Re: Animals in Viking England help?
« Reply #11 on: 30 November 2013, 09:47:44 AM »
There were chickens in Britain before the Romans, so they were probably Old English-like.

Correct. OEG´s (Old English Game fowl) were noted by, Julius Caesar  In 54BC, who was impressed that the ancient Britons (brittany?) bred birds for fighting, rather than meat but  chickens were definately in Britian before the romans, probably  some 500 yrs before;
http://www.bournemouth.ac.uk/applied-sciences/news-and-events/news/2012/may/ne002-chicken-coop-research.html
I knew the truck didn´t want to hit me...it had dodge written on the front

Paul´s Bods Blog
Federation of Bodstonia

Offline 3 fingers

  • Mastermind
  • Posts: 1246
Re: Animals in Viking England help?
« Reply #12 on: 30 November 2013, 03:56:24 PM »
I thought I had read similar ,that's why I said game fowl. :)

Offline Mitch K

  • Mastermind
  • Posts: 1019
  • The Horror! The Horror!
    • Mitch's Wargaming and Modelmaking
Re: Animals in Viking England help?
« Reply #13 on: 30 November 2013, 05:02:23 PM »
The "Old English Game" chicken is a pretty "primitive" chicken breed, not far removed in habits, appearence and size from Red Jungle Fowl that were the original domesticated source. Ironically, there's LESS variartion in appearance in the modern strain (because of breed standards) than in the original wild birds!

Offline 3 fingers

  • Mastermind
  • Posts: 1246
Re: Animals in Viking England help?
« Reply #14 on: 07 December 2013, 05:52:07 PM »
Gripping beast ,do sheep and pigs suitable ,I just see them,when I was looking for something else.

 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
21 Replies
6808 Views
Last post 12 September 2008, 08:45:32 AM
by Argonor
6 Replies
2451 Views
Last post 02 October 2010, 09:49:35 PM
by Ioannis
10 Replies
3812 Views
Last post 27 January 2011, 03:45:14 AM
by FifteensAway
3 Replies
1499 Views
Last post 23 July 2012, 08:50:27 PM
by Mason
4 Replies
4848 Views
Last post 18 September 2012, 10:38:38 PM
by Little Odo