Suicide Girls and RPGs

[6milPhil]

Interesting-ish stuff and mildly NSFW.

http://mandymorbid.tumblr.com/post/92910013775/more-reasons-people-found-to-hate-me

[Conquistador]

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Gracias,

Glenn

[former user]

"mildly"  NSFW?  wow....

I very much doubt that this poor girl is in any way representative for our hobby...
from my brief overfly over her blog I can only deduct that she must have had a very sad childhood and is very unhappy or that she is attention-whoring up to eleven, or a mixture of both.
Why a porn actress would need a blog is a mystery to me...
I will not explore that question any further  

[shandy]

I very much doubt that this poor girl is in any way representative for our hobby...
from my brief overfly over her blog I can only deduct that she must have had a very sad childhood and is very unhappy or that she is attention-whoring up to eleven, or a mixture of both.

Wow, but that's exactly the point she is trying to make: Why does she have to be representative of 'the hobby', whatever this is (GW would probably know  ) And why shouldn't she be representative? Because she is no overweight middle aged bloke? I for one find it great that people of all colors and creeds are involved in this hobby. Denigrating her story as 'attention-whoring' is the thing that she rightly fights against.
Cheers,
Shandy

[former user]

as I said, brief overfly, not sure what...
my first impression.
Why You are turning it into "denigration" is Your secret. I wasn't even referring to her physical appearence and I don't believe in the "overweight middle-aged" stereotype.

I guess she is very unhappy and needs everyone to know right?

[former user]

but since now my interest in this phenomenon is awake, I took a quick dive into the matter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zak_Smith
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Escapist_(magazine)

and learned that the actually interesting thing is that her boyfriend, the successful artist Zach Sabbath, is running, directing and dungeonmastering a RPG video series since 2010. The other players are adult performers basically.

Which is interesting...

So my second impression is that since "nerd subculture"  has become so marketable, professionals with great skills in exploiting public attention (which Zach very likely is)  have jumped on the bandwagon of "nerd culture is attractive", see GoT and LotR hype, Big Bang Theory etc.
Let's see when the next bandwagon comes along.

imho, the film industry is about to forcefully reboot the SF-genre and I am looking forward to this, I am a bit sick of the fantasy hype

[Momotaro]

Bit of context here.  Her boyfriend, Zak, has published a couple of "Old-School Revival" games (basically clones of old D&D in different genres or with different assumptions).  He also runs a blog called "D&D with Pornstars", where he documents his regular gaming group who are all... well, you guessed it.

A group of online activist types are not happy that this is an accurate portrayal of women in the gaming hobby, and accusations have been made that Zak is actually anti-LGBT.  He published the names of his accusers online and defended himself, ahhh, robustly, which led to more bad feelings.  Mandy came online to defend him, and was also deluged with some pretty nasty stuff.

You can take her post as whining, or further chronicling some of the attacks that have been made against real people who are both 1) LGBT, and in her case 2) disabled by people who supposedly want to be more inclusive.

My take is that it's fantastic to see a wide range of people gaming  and I want to see more of this kind of thing from as swide as range of people as possible

I don't want to see the fight brought here, it's pretty nasty stuff and a storm in a teacup.

Note: modified to take out attacks on other sites.

[former user]

my take too - our hobby is neither nerdy nor exhibitionism. It is a regular hobby played by any kind of people, like any hobby should be.
That is my version of inclusiveness

[Centaur_Seducer]

my take too - our hobby is neither nerdy nor exhibitionism. It is a regular hobby played by any kind of people, like any hobby should be.
That is my version of inclusiveness

So you mean that they shouldn't be allowed to express themselves as they wish to...?

[former user]

what? "any kind of people"  very much includes the "porn RPG round".
it just sets the wrong spotlight. I don't care what they look like or express themselves.
I simply think that Zach Sabbath exploits the fact that they work in the porn industry for his own performative purpose, and I don't like that.

people who work in the sex industry are the same as everyone else - I simply don't want to see the equation porn industry + RPG industry.

"look, the nice girls are playing RPGs and painting miniatures, how cute! scroll down a few pages and you can see how a buttplug is used correctly or the colour of her vibrator."

I am pretty sure the parents among us do not want this kind of public coverage of sexual relationships connected to RPG

[6milPhil]

"mildly"  NSFW?  wow....

That post struck me as exactly that, if you want to delve deeper well you're only ever a couple of clicks away from the seriously NSFW...

I found it interesting, most offensive part of it for me was the lack of tidyness, and not enough effort on the mini's and scenery.

[pixelgeek]

I don't want to see the fight brought here, it's pretty nasty stuff and a storm in a teacup.

What is really odd is that I was reading an article yesterday from the other side of the sh*t st*rm

Made me suddenly glad that out particular area of the hobby pool wasn't so nasty and dark.

[former user]

and not enough effort on the mini's and scenery.

maybe these are only props?

[6milPhil]

Perhaps.

[Wirelizard]

I've been a regular reader of "D&D with Pornstars" for a couple of years now, after tripping over it during a random RPG webcrawl one evening. It's never struck me as "ooo look, porn!!!111" but as "we play games that other people might find interesting, and because many of the people I know are adult entertainers, that's who we play with".

They have a very gonzo turned-up-to-11 awesome game world going on, which is fun but I don't think the RPG group I hang out with could pull that off. The Vornheim city book Zak S. wrote is worth the purchase price, though, even if you play less-gonzo RPGing.

I was travelling when the recent crapstorm-inna-teacup broke, so haven't bothered following that.