Apache! :: UD 23/10 - starting on the mounted alternates

[has.been]

Sounds interesting. I too love the Boot Hill range. I can see it now, a Tex-Mex farm (see just about any of the John Wayne movies for inspiration. e.g. El Dorado etc.) a few musket equipped defenders against lance & bow Apache raiders. Various sub plots such as:=
Driving off the livestock;
Setting fire to the hay/roof/out buildings;
Defenders getting some water from the well/stream;
Defenders getting someone off table so they can get help;
taking live hostage(s) [which would lead to the next 'searchers' scenario] or
setting an ambush for the relief force (Boot Hill do some lovely Mexican lancers)

Also fun if, when not in view of the defenders, the attackers can swap a figure for 2 or 3 markers (numbered tokens are best. the attacker notes down what number is the figure & keeps the defender guessing as to where 'those pesky varmits are.) only revealing when in sight or fired at (wasting limited ammo.) 

[Malamute]

I think you would have no problem mixing Artizan with Galloping Major. The only issue with the Galloping Major cavalry is no horse mounted troops.

The Artizan cavalry are either classic 7th Cav style or they do Buffalo Soldiers who would be more appropriate for fighting the Apaches and both ranges have mounted figures. (except for the Apache)

The Foundry Apaches are in my opinion the best available, but are the original Copplestone sculpts which are nearer 25mm. So they are not going to mix well with more recent ranges.

And yes Boot Hill figures will only really work up until 1850. Apart from the weapons the clothes do not suit the later years...

You probably only need a dozen Apache so buy the Artizan ones and the Galloping Major ones and the cavalry from Artizan.

Job done.

Then you will need some Homesteaders...

[Silent Invader]

Gosh, it's all coming together... And so quickly! 

Thanks again folks 

[Malamute]

Gosh, it's all coming together... And so quickly! 

Thanks again folks 

It surely is.

 I love the Old West, it's my absolute favourite period,  one I always come back to.

Let me know when the time is right and you need heads up for your settlers, I have cobbled together a decent selection over the years

[Ray Earle]

If I may make a suggestion for homesteaders if you are using primarily Artizan figures; Mutineer miniatures 'defenders of Lucknow' includes some very useful figures including armed females (and a Sikh, who I'm sure you'll find use for) and are sculpted by Mike Owen so they'll fit in seamlessly.

[Mason]

Regarding the Apache, I have mixed quite a few in my band as I think a little difference in size is pretty realistic....




In this lot are Black Scorpion, Galloping Major, DMH Renegades, Foundry (mounted) and a few of my own figures converted to more 'western-dressed' chaps.
(The 'Trapper' at the back is from Boot Hill, by the way).

More pictures here... http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=60011.2370


I think that seem to blend just fine to be honest.

Hope that helps in some way...

Edit: All painted by Bugsda, by the way....

[Bugsda]

Have a read of David Roberts "Once They Moved Like The Wind" The book follows the Apache wars from the Bascom balls up in 1861 to the surrender of Geronimo in 1886, excellent book.
I have a well thumbed paperback you can borrow if you can't get one. I think Malamute's also got a copy, probably less well thumbed.

[Mason]

I think Malamute's also got a copy, probably less well thumbed.

 

[Bugsda]

......and you gotta' watch Ulzana!

[frank xerox]

Ulzanas a must, Shalako is worth a watch and Elmore Leonard's Westerns are great for inspiration

[Ray Earle]

......and you gotta' watch Ulzana!

Yeah, sneaky little bugger.. 

[Silent Invader]

 

I was out and about earlier today so I picked up the DVDs for Ulzano's Raid and Chato's Land - I've seen both before but IIRC they're the style and ambience I want to recreate so a few more viewings are definitely required.  

I'm particularly intrigued by the Black Scorpion horses as methinks I could double up on the Apache and use the second set to make paired riders (hmm, though I'd also need to double up on the horses for spare horses!).

I'll keep an eye out for the book as (and yes I am a Philistine) I like not only to thumb through but to make notes inside as well.  

Thanks again everyone for all the help, which is proving most inspirational.

[Mason]

I'm particularly intrigued by the Black Scorpion horses as methinks I could double up on the Apache and use the second set to make paired riders (hmm, though I'd also need to double up on the horses for spare horses!).

Go for it, I reckon.

I am going to get another set of the GM cavalry and make my own mounted versions as the Foundry cavalry I do have don't match up well enough with them.
Not sure which horses to use yet, as the Foundry versions look too small.
The BS ones may well work better, so thanks for nudging me in that direction.
 

Edit: The BS ones would work well for Apache, with the lack of 'clutter', but the resin puts me off a little.
I prefer metal.

The DMH versions may work better for my Cavalry or maybe the Perry ACW versions, which I already have a few of to use as 'taxis' around town.
I shall have to compare them with the Cavalry troopers and see what will work best

I will let you know when I do.....

[lethallee61]

These threads always bring a nostalgic smile to an old movie watching gamer.

And for a non-violent gaming suggestion, there's always "F-Troop". 

[HerbyF]

@HerbyF What rules will you use for buffalo hunting?

Originally I was looking for alternate scenarios for Legends of the Old West. A buffaloe hunt would have been a great alternative to gain experience for plains Indian war bands. But I never got around to working out the rules. I have 32 in my herd so far.