Using small figures for cover advantages

[Elbows]

Go big, or go gnome.

 

[Grey Panda]

Firstly some of these solutions are tuning this into the best thread ever!

"Go Big or go Gnome"

 



The long and short of it is this:
Tell your friend that that life is too short and that you never thought he'd stoop so low,  your recent games are making you feel a little short changed and if he's going to remain so small minded well maybe he needs to expand his horizons and grow up.

Alternative half assed rule for mini minis
Seems despite the recent debate about inserting some in; there are racial abilities in Frostgrave already; so perhaps for fairness to the first racial ability another should be added for creatures of this type: half movement and these low walls block their line of sight?

[sniperbait]

Infinity have a fantastic  mechanic for this sort of thing.

All of the troops have a size designation. Human troops being size 2. You then use a template (bit of card) which is around 30mm x 50mm and stand it directly behind the figure  if you can see the card  you can see the figure. This sorts out crouching snipers who can't even see over the cover from whixh they are firing and the extravagantly modelled figures with big hair and long tails.

It means that if you choose to use goblins for thugs (like me) or ogres for barbarians (also like me) you won't be penalised.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=infinity+size+marker&client=ms-android-samsung&source=android-browser&biw=360&bih=320&prmd=sivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMIne6Vpr7byAIVJWdyCh3DkwIF#imgrc=xoCRylN2zOvJ1M%3A

[grant]

I found a small picture of the wizard on his toadstool; the cavalry might be a bit ... sluggish

[Sandycats]

I would think that if you can't see him clearly enough to get a good shot it would also work in the reverse  ie: he can't see you either.  Or am I wrong?  LOS works both ways I would think.

[Buff Orpington]

I do use one LOTR hobbit in my band as the only thief. I feel that it fits the story and no-one has objected but I agree that it would be too gamey to field a whole band of them. In short, he's being a jerk.

[Darkson71]

I would think that if you can't see him clearly enough to get a good shot it would also work in the reverse  ie: he can't see you either.  Or am I wrong?  LOS works both ways I would think.

That only works as an argument if he intends to shot - if he's filled his warband full of h-t-h troops then he's not going to care.

[Sandycats]

Well, I thought it was referring to shooting.  Hand to hand doesn't matter the size.  I use a warband of all mouslings and haven't had any problems. As I said, when shooting if he can't see me, I can't see him.  Hth is decided by the roll of the dice no matter your size.

[Darkson71]

If player A has a balanced warband (shooting and h-t-h) and player B has a h-t-h force only and is using small figures so A can't shoot at him, then yes, he's gaining an advantage.

[Coenus Scaldingus]

Actually used a warband of Hobbits in my first Frostgrave game - just because those were the miniatures I happened to have around. Two larger models in there, the wizard and ranger (but latter was crouched, so still small!). Can't remember any clear issues to be honest - true LoS is generally a matter of seeing and being seen at the same time, so it tended to even out. I'm sure apprentice Bilbo was invisible to a shot because of his small stature at some point, but it also meant he had to move before being able to target another model with a spell. Probably helped that most scenery used was either so low that even Halflings could see/be seen over it, or high enough to hide any human-sized figure fully. Nor was I specifically playing to take an advantage of their size: didn't seem in the spirit of the game, or any game, or indeed the warband.

[Luddite]

'is making sure he is always using terrain that is low walls'

Make sure you always use high walls that his goblins can't see over?

[Ingmar]

Fix the player, not the game!  As multiple people have said before, size is not the issue. If cover is used that poses no advantage to both {ie: both are hidden from line of sight or equally exposed), there is no problem. However, your wording implies that this player intentionally exploits a playing field full of low cover, so his warband remains out of sight when your own cannot do the same. I wouldn't play with someone like that..

[H.M.Stanley]

Definitely a dick move on his part ...

[Roger]

Or, you can just say fine...you want to use half size figures, then you get half movement,
See him try and get treasure off the board when he's moving at 2 1/4"

[tyrionhalfman]

Have a word with him about how unsporting he's being, and explain that in a friendly gaming group this isn't the kind of attitude you expect. He must know how he's playing sneaky, but might not realise that you all know. A bit like how a lazy colleague knows they're lazy but thinks no one else has noticed. Letting them know you know often does the trick. If it doesn't just stop playing him until he does change.