Old Glory Seminoles

[traveller]

Anyone seen the Seminole Indians from Old Glory? (no pictures on their website...)

[oxiana]

It's revive a dead thread day!

I just found this link, which has pictures and a review:

http://www.combatpainter.com/?p=248

The guy writing doesn't sound too impressed, and the pictures suggest that the sculpting quality isn't all that good. Conquest would still seem to be the way to go for Seminoles.

[Lowtardog]

I would go for Conquest myself too unless you want large forces

[Silent Invader]

Just out of interest, how do Old Glory compare size-wise to Conquest?

[Aaron]

I haven't looked at the OG Seminoles for a while, but I remember them being a bit chunkier than the Conquest offerings. I think you could get by mixing them if necessary , but of course individual tastes vary.

[Silent Invader]

Thanks Aaron. 

[traveller]

Oxiana, thanks for the revival. I need a kick in the butt anyway to get my swamp project moving. Regarding Seminoles I have decided to go the Conquest route but it would be interesting to see the OG castings. I found another image here:

http://oldglory25s.com/view_product.php?product=SEM08

[oxiana]

I think the Conquest Sauk & Fox Indians could also be pressed into service as Seminoles with only minor modifications - a little green stuff to modify the haircuts, add turbans, plus adding a little fringing to the long shirts. Although the available minis always show the Seminoles looking pretty resplendently dressed, there are actually plenty of reports of them fighting nearly naked or just wearing a breechclout.

Another possible addition, although it initially sounds a little unlikely, are the Maroons from the Foundry pirate range (see for instance CUT3/4). Escaped slaves were an important issue in the various Seminole wars, and there's an illustration in the Osprey book showing a maroon with the Seminoles that's a dead-ringer for the Foundry stuff. Over time, the escaped slaves joined with the Indians to become the Black Seminoles (of course, Conquest do Black Seminoles too). Freed slaves and Indians joining up to fight - a bit of an American colonialist nightmare!

Finally, while I'm riffing on the subject, I don't imagine that you'd actually need all that many Seminoles to make a good game anyway - half the fun of the period would be using the swampy terrain almost as a protagonist. Plenty of fun with soldiers dropping down from the heat and fever, getting lost, bitten by alligators etc.

It's a fascinating period - the Second Seminole war was the longest and most expensive Indian war the US army fought, and was very controversial on the home front. Add in the local Florida terrain and you've basically got Vietnam with Indians! But it ran alongside events at the Alamo, so it often gets rather overlooked.

Damn, I think I jut talked myself into starting a new project...

[traveller]

Oxiana,

agree! I will make a cross over using the Swamp also for gaming AWI "The Patriot" as well as for a pulp cultist setting. Swamps are fun! 

[Malamute]

Damn, I think I jut talked myself into starting a new project...

Noooooooooo! 

[archangel1]

...to get my swamp project moving...

Speaking of swamps...has anybody worked out a way of representing Spanish Moss in miniature? It's very evocative of places like the Everglades or the Louisiana bayous.

[archangel1]

Just came across this little film on Flintlock and Tomahawk about the Seminole Wars of 1835, specifically Dade's Battle.

http://flintlockandtomahawk.blogspot.com/2010/01/dades-battle-reenactment.html

[Cory]

Speaking of swamps...has anybody worked out a way of representing Spanish Moss in miniature? It's very evocative of places like the Everglades or the Louisiana bayous.

I've used cotton balls dyed to suit with craft paint. Just tear off whisps and drape the strands over the tree limbs. After the game they can be taken off again, which is good as I'm too far behind to have different trees for every project.

[Silent Invader]

It's veering off topic but worth a mention.  I saw an 'old' film on TV (UK) a month or so ago about colonials versus indians in the florida swamps.  No idea what it was called but was very good. 

[oxiana]

Just came across this little film on Flintlock and Tomahawk about the Seminole Wars of 1835, specifically Dade's Battle.

http://flintlockandtomahawk.blogspot.com/2010/01/dades-battle-reenactment.html

That's a great video, thanks for posting. The camp scenes and close ups of the US troops and Seminoles are great, very good source material for painting!