warlord games plastic T34/85

[Nighthawk]

Tell me King Tiger do you work for the compition. It sure sounds like you do. The price isn't bad. I've gotten a number of things from Warlord and have been very pleased with the purchases. If you have such a hate on for Warlord maybe you should look elsewhere for your gaming product. Or just play board games.

[King Tiger]

Hate?, no
Working for competition?, no
And no the price is fine, for a resin model or plastic model with 76 and 85 turrets.
And I already do look for my gaming elsewhere as I cannot afford to do many things gaming wise.

[Arlequín]

Tell me King Tiger do you work for the compition. It sure sounds like you do. The price isn't bad. I've gotten a number of things from Warlord and have been very pleased with the purchases. If you have such a hate on for Warlord maybe you should look elsewhere for your gaming product. Or just play board games.

A bit harsh I think... there's quite a gulf between having a 'hate on' and having a 'hard on' for Warlord Games it seems. 

I've also bought stuff from Warlord and have been quite happy too... but I think that it's fair comment by King Tiger that paying resin prices for a plastic tank is somewhat off, as are some of the other prices, at least at face value.

If you compare basic prices of Warlord Plastics, to those of the Perrys, for example, there's a general £10 mark up on a box of 40 infantry by Warlord. Whether or not there is 'added content' from Warlord in their boxes, or not, I don't know, but the price difference does appear to be suspect.

As always though, if you don't like it, don't buy it, but there wouldn't be much point having a forum if we didn't talk about it.

 

[King Tiger]

I find warlord quality to be acceptable, on some things at least, the metal Japanese infantry were awful, the metal quality was bad, I was fortunate none of the legs broke off considering how easy it felt like they would, it was like working with lead.

And yes I would never touch the Napoleonic range, £18-20 for 32 models which are usually different boxes for different periods/units with metal command 4mm shorter than the rest of the men

Or Perry where its 40-46 figures for £18, have different heads included and plastic command the correct height.

But that's napoleonics not WWII, in that range I just dislike the fact the artillery is so expensive, £16 for a pak 40?, the one from crusader or artisan only costs £12
The tanks they have seem to be £2-4 more expensive than competitors and the range takes so long to get anywhere, we still don't have panzer III tanks despite being a major tank from the war, but we have an AA panther and silly 6 panzerfaust thing...why?

Not to say some things have not been good, the plastic halftrack is cool and the price is ok at £15.

[Nighthawk]

No Arlequin my comment wasn't too harsh. If you read any other threads that have to deal with Warlord games you will see that King Tiger has nothing really good to say. As a matter of fact it's always been negative towards the product. But its a free world and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You have to remember that we are involved in this hobby because it is our hobby. The companies are involved in this hobby because it is a business. Yes it's true that their people are also into the hobby as well. They make a good product. If you are the type of person who likes to go overboard and fill your army lists with tons of tanks. Then yeah maybe there prices may be a little high. If that is what you like to do then maybe this is the wrong scale for you to be playing in.

King Tiger. I don't know you but I do know that I have been gaming longer then you have been alive. I have seen companies charging ridiculous high prices, more than you know. The product was not worth the price. But I don't keep going on and on with negative feedback. I just don't buy from them. Just because its not my cup of tea dosen't mean it isn't someone elses. I live in BC Canada things are expensive here. But I don't mind paying the extra amount for quality. Again you might decide that it isn't the high quality that you may think. But you need to remember that these items are plastic models that are made using moulds and will not be able to show all of the minute parts that you may find on say a laser cut modle. But then you aren't paying the high price of the laser cut parts.

I do apologize if this has offended anybody. But it is my honest opinion

[King Tiger]

No Arlequin my comment wasn't too harsh. If you read any other threads that have to deal with Warlord games you will see that King Tiger has nothing really good to say. As a matter of fact it's always been negative towards the product.

You are completely wrong, but nevermind.

[Arlequín]

Can we discuss this without it becoming personal? 

You both make valid points from where I'm sitting and on reading my post, I can see I may have 'poked the embers' a bit... sorry.

I don't consider Warlord's pricing to be excessive, they are way off that at present. However I do think they are priced somewhat above what is necessary. Regardless though, the market will determine this through actual sales.

The general positive for plastics within the hobby, is built on the belief that some of the advantages of using cheaper materials will be passed on to the customer, not solely used to increase the profit margin of the company making them. Making plastics isn't cheap initially, but pays for itself in the long run. Manufacturers generally claim 'cost' is the reason for the switch after all though.

I agree with Nighthawk though, if you don't like it, don't buy it. I would buy something above what I would normally pay, if there was no other option and that item was an 'essential' item to me. In this case there are other options available.

As for Warlord Games itself, I've no axe to grind. While I think they offer quite good products on the whole, when you look at the old Bolt Action figures, they aren't as good now as the original figures were, which have since disappeared...   

[Fates Fickle Finger]

I also think that the price is a bit excessive, I have no negativity towards Warlord but i have noticed that the WW2 plastics are not good value IMHO. Interestingly I have noticed a surge in new/ younger Bolt Action players and recently after a few guys commenting on my late war Germans i had to explain that they were from Artizan!! They were not aware of other WW2 miniatures!!! unbelievable in this internet age, but true!!
i hope that Warlord are not maneuvering into a 28mm Flames of War clone, charging top dollar for historical miniatures.
FFF

[carlos marighela]

They are now advertising a platoon pack of three for forty eight quid, which brings the price down to  £16 per unit + postage, which isn't too bad.

[Kane]

But do you nééd 3 tanks? 

[carlos marighela]

Yep.  Actually I could do with two platoon's worth. A platoon's worth in desert yellow for Egyptians and Iraqis circa 1961-65 and another in bog standard Soviet green for Cubans and the like. 

[Kane]

Didn't see that coming  . In that case: Good deal! 

[Arlequín]

I hope that Warlord are not maneuvering into a 28mm Flames of War clone, charging top dollar for historical miniatures.
FFF

I think you'll find this is the case. We aren't talking about a guy making stuff in his garage though, so there are overheads to take into account, hence the pricing.

On the positive side, it all goes to funding the next wave of releases... 

[joroas]

You could just buy the stuff from Dave Thomas, et al, who will always undercut Warlord prices....

I bought Bolt ACtion from the US, as it was cheaper to buy it and ship it over, than pick it up from the Warlord stand I was checking out at a show.....  This is, of course, why they have the bribe of a free figure!

[King Tiger]

But do you nééd 3 tanks? 

For alternate rule systems? (shockingly bolt action is not the only 28mm system)
Russian desant forces?
Maybe use the 3 tanks for alternative forces? (captured German/finnish lend leased polish)
Larger games
Lots of reasons why you might or why you could need/want/use 3 tanks.