Russian Bolshevik Sailor Uniforms

[Ignatieff]

Has anyone got a good, clear - preferably visual - reference for Bolshevik sailor uniforms.  The plate in the relevant Osprey book is not particularly good.

thanks!

Ignatieff

[Prof.Witchheimer]

Рабоче-крестьянский красный флот (РККФ)
(Workers' and Peasants' Red Fleet)

1. Flag officer 1921
2. Adjutant (leutnant) 1917
3. Red commander of marine infantry 1918-1921
4. Sailor 1921

[Ignatieff]

Nice!

The Copplestone figures I have are wearing jackets with double rows of buttons.  Presumably these would be black?

Ignatieff

[Prof.Witchheimer]

The Copplestone figures I have are wearing jackets with double rows of buttons.  Presumably these would be black?

always.

[Ignatieff]

Thank you!  :mrgreen:

Ignatieff

[Keith]

http://flagspot.net/flags/su~ru.html

I'm also looking for details on these - found this quite useful. Does anyone have any more uniform reference by any chance? The back of the 'square rigger' for instance?

[DRDHauser]

I've always liked the plain red flag of the early revolt; it seemed similar to the flags of the forlorn hopes of an earlier day. I think there are some comparisons that can be drawn between the sailors revolt (both of them) and the forlorn hopes.

[Cal]

I'm about to paint some Copplestone (Bolshevik) Russian Sailors who have a mixture of double breasted jackets and v-necked over-shirts (http://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/images/bu42.jpg).  I'd like to resolve the (to my mind) conflicts between the excellent plate in this thread from the Prof.  and the plate in the Osprey RCW(1) (http://www.amazon.de/gp/reader/1855326086/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link). 

1. I intend to paint the buttoned jackets in Black.  But, are the v-necked over-shirts usually in this dark blue colour? (I'm aware of the striped under-shirts) ?

2. Were trousers more likely black as here or white as in the Osprey plate?

3. Any clues on the relevant sleeve insignia?  I assume a star on the over-shirt for ordinary seamen as here, but what about on the jackets (Osprey p39 suggests no insignia)? What what would ranks below the flag-officer have?

Any help much appreciated.

[area23]

I suppose Russian navy had summer and winter uniforms.
The German navy did at the time (and I guess all navies do). Summer uniform was white, winter uniform dark-blue. The pics above would would suggest winter uniform.

Both the early days of the revolution and the Kronstadt revolt happened in the winter.

"Death to the Bolsheviks, long live the Soviets!"

[Cal]

The pics above would would suggest winter uniform.

Interesting idea.  I wondered however whether the above might perhaps be dress uniforms?

Thanks for the input.

[Prof.Witchheimer]

sorry not too much time this week. Indeed, there were winter and summer uniform for the sailors, blue and white. Dress uniform was blue too, thus the pic above could fit for the winter and the dress version. Though the dress uniform had some additional golden coloured elements, see the pic in the attachment.

there werent not too many insignias for the sailors, sometimes an anchor, sometimes nothing, that red star on the pic below isn't an usual one, actually the guy is a "Old Sailor", the red fleet had that sort of title for the veterans of the fleet, only they had these stars.

Osprey guy is just a mix. The second pic in my attachment is a good example for the differences. The marines on the pics wear lots of different uniform pieces, also some infantry ones.

[Cal]

Excellent attachments.  Very helpful.  Many thanks 

[Keith]

Many thanks for posting those - very handy 

[koz10]

The Copplestone figures I have are wearing jackets with double rows of buttons.  Presumably these would be black?

always.

Remeber that the Navy has a different idea of what "black" means. Black means a very, very, very, very dark shade of blue so highlight your jackets with dark shades of blue and not charcoal/grays.

[Prof.Witchheimer]

The Copplestone figures I have are wearing jackets with double rows of buttons.  Presumably these would be black?

always.

Remeber that the Navy has a different idea of what "black" means. Black means a very, very, very, very dark shade of blue so highlight your jackets with dark shades of blue and not charcoal/grays.

russian navy black is black. There were times I wore that stuff and can assure you that was black