oh good grief: GW Has gone la la!

[Luddite]

Gotta agree with you there.

Their scenery is pretty good and not too costly either.

Not too costly?!?!

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod2130120a

 

It is good quality though.  The fantasy buildings are particularly interesting.

[Mason]

Not too costly?!?!

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod2130120a

 

It is good quality though.  The fantasy buildings are particularly interesting.

I DID actually mean the fantasy buildings.
Their walls and fences are good too.
I have used all of them, but I did buy them cheaper on ebay.
 


That 'deal' is ridiculous, but their boards being included in it throw the price up horribly.
To be perfectly honest, I am not too familiar with their 40k scenery, so am not sure what they cost.
Not really interested, so wont be doing any research in that direction.....

[Glitzer]

I DID actually mean the fantasy buildings.
Their walls and fences are good too.
I have used all of them, but I did buy them cheaper on ebay.

Yes I like about half of the Fantasy Buildings. They look great and even give you some extra bits to build additional buildings.

[Col. Aubrey Bagshot]

Perhaps they can do something right afterall....

As straight after the horrid mining transforming robot marines we may very well be about to get what we have all been waiting for!

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/inquisition-game-october.html#more

A proper low model count skirmish game set in a 40K universe.
About bloody time, and just think, all those rogue trader figures can now be brought out of retirement and used in all their glory!

Rejoice!

[Glitzer]

I thought it's one of their "summer games". There's no squillion dollars involved, only once about 100€. Propably won't buy it anyways, but this one could actually be fun (or atleast the models could be fun for use with the old Inquisitor (we just used cm instad of inches back then and Inquisitor instantly scaled down nicely to 28mm with one cheap little trick).

[kalamadea]

Yeah, their Oz prices are just silly, and Canadian prices too. It made sense when the Australian and Canadian dollars were so weak to the US dollar and Pound, but that hasn't been the case for some years now. US and Oz dollar are almost equal, but GW still charges you guys twice as much AND keeps cracking down on internet sales. I don't understand how there is ANYONE down under that is willing to put up with those prices.

As to Inquisition, it sounds only mildly interesting. I have the same issue with what has been said as I did for the original Inquisitor as well as the RPG and Necromunda and novels: Warhammer 40k is FAR too imperium centric. There's dozens and dozens and dozens of alien races and monsters and millions of planets in a setting where the entire GALAXY is your playground, and yet they just wave it all off to focus everything on the humans. Blech. Humans should play a major part, but give me aliens damnit!

I always wished for a true 40k skirmish game, something like Necromunda except with Eldar and Orks and Tau and Necrons and Chaos. Kill Team tried to do it but was terrible. Never had much interest in Blood Bowl (not a sports guy), but I LOVE how it includes virtually every race in the Warhammer setting.

[Andrew May]

Why would you need a new rule set to play 40k skirmish? I mean give me a copy of 40K and a working knowledge of, say Necromunda and I'm sure I could work out some reasonably easy gaming.

[PF]

I agree. From what I remember, space marines were something like 30 pts in 2nd edition (same rules as Necromunda) and 300 in Necromunda (source Citadel Journal) so that was easy to convert models from W40K. Nowadays, there are more models and a couple of races that didn't exist in 2nd edition but shouldn't be too difficult. Not to mention GW never cared for balance between factions or models so why care?

[Andrew May]

Plus, it's all about fun, isn't it? I mean you're not going to be playing "serious" tournament games of 40k skirmish. When I was a kid, half of the fun was working out lists and house rules, not for power armies, just for fun collections. So long as you're using the minis and background that you like then you can use whatever rules fit. I've seen folk here using RT, 7TV, nuclear rennaisance, SOBH and all sorts for the 40k universe.

[Doomsdave]

It just makes me laugh that they are space marines in armor inside bigger space marine armor.   This is the end result of Moar Skulz logic.   I don't mind the Rhino variants though.

[Glitzer]

I remeber there was an easy conversion between teeth and Necromunda dollars as well so GorkaMorka can be easyly converted into ashwastes. Now take the 2nd Ed Amrybooks, that Citadel Jounal articles on Eldar raiders, Genstealer Cults and Squats gangs and the Squats army list from Inqisitor Magazine and we have almost everything (asides Tau and Dark eldar who are 3rd ed inventions and do ot belong into my picture of the grimdark future anyways).

[Patrick R]

For a brief moment I thought that GW was producing Battletech powered armour infantry until I saw the heads.

[kalamadea]

I was referring to small, squad-level skirmish of 5~12 models a side. I like the level of detail games of that size typically have, usually a bit more RPG elements than company-level skirmish games have. Rogue Trader might have been up my personal alley, but I'm too young to have played it or 2nd ed when it was relevant and none of the veterans in my area ever wanted to go back to it. Now that I'm the veteran, there's simply much better options out there from better companies.

Converting the rules to Necromunda isn't hard, or using the minis in other systems, but if you mostly do open gaming at a store it becomes more work than fun to have to explain everything to every new opponent and get their agreement to use them (at least in my area). It's why in 3rd edition the special characters and the build-your-own vehicle rules that actually WERE completely official but required opponent's permission were never used at my shop, it was far too much of a chore to bring them and risk not being able to use them because the other guy says "no" and have to swap it out for "official" models/rules anyways. Not a problem in many gaming groups, large problem in ones that were more focused towards tournament style play even in casual games. Having strictly official rules, even if they weren't as good as home brew, meant always getting to use your stuff.

Inquisition seems to be what Inquisitor should have been to begin with. Having a GM was the wrong kind of RPG element I was looking for and WHY the different scale?! But it still focuses on the Imperium too much. Too much humans fighting humans, not enough humans fighting aliens or aliens fighting aliens. Deadzone is right around the corner and it looks like it's going to scratch every small-skirmish itch I have both in terms of models and mechanics and setting. I'm really liking how the beta is coming along and it has the added bonus of supporting a smaller, better company that is far more involved with their players. Deadzone comes out in December and we've had alpha rules and greens/renders/art since June. Inquisition comes out in september or october and we know almost nothing about it. Silly space marine armor comes out much earlier than that and we've only seen pictures of it for a couple days now. We still do not know the rules for any of the new stuff.

[Kitsune]

I wonder if they looked at the mantic sci fi KS and went shit we should of kept doing these sorts of games.

Maybe not the deadzone one specificaly, but I expect they saw the money flying around kickstarter for skirmish games and decided to move (back) into that area.

[Glitzer]

Maybe not the deadzone one specificaly, but I expect they saw the money flying around kickstarter for skirmish games and decided to move (back) into that area.

Why should they? Skirmish games are "lost money" to GW. Most of us played Necromunda/Gorkamorka/Mordheim using 40K/WH minis. Now consider the money they have to invest into the rules compared to additional minis sold. Turns out it's propably a bad investment for them.