[Kickstarter] Mantic Dwarf Kings Quest. ALL DONE.$1.05 million final.

[maxxev]

Wow they've put barely anything in that box...

21 mass produced coloured cheap plastic figures, approx 100 cards, some counters... a bunch of card dungeon tiles, some card terrain, dice and some rules and that's worth £60?

Way better value buying Decent at the moment.

It really feels like Mantic have this plan of what to put in the box for retail but they want to milk the KS so the first 15 or so stretch goals are simply going to be for the things they wanted to put in the retail box.
We already know there are 2 trolls and 8 adventurers already designed, so once those have passed, maybe we can move onto the true strech goals. And this might actually be worth the cash.
Mark me unimpressed presently and I backed 2 mantic KSs already, the first 2... the ones with the really bad quality control and I really wish I hadn't . The ones after where everything got better I didn't and wish I had ...

[Elbows]

Without question, if they released the box with its actual contents as posted it would retail for about $39.99.

I expect it to be 50-70 models by the time it closes, so hence I think $100 shipped is a very reasonable deal.  I think they fully planned on it.  In a few thousand bucks it'll be at 33 miniatures.  I agree, they're not real stretch goals.  I think they've learned from all of the other games and projects which run over themselves in the process. They're clever those Mantic fellas. 

[nic-e]

Without question, if they released the box with its actual contents as posted it would retail for about $39.99.

I expect it to be 50-70 models by the time it closes, so hence I think $100 shipped is a very reasonable deal.  I think they fully planned on it.  In a few thousand bucks it'll be at 33 miniatures.  I agree, they're not real stretch goals.  I think they've learned from all of the other games and projects which run over themselves in the process. They're clever those Mantic fellas. 

They've done this before adn they're learning more each time.look at how hard it was to follow kings of war,t hen look at how simple and streamlined this is so far. it might be a bit of a cop out , but it's gonna keep it simple and exciting i think.

[nic-e]

that is a bit dodgy the stretch goals unlock basic components that should already be in there.

Seriously. 

I'm going to start sounding like am antic employee .
But we don't know that these things were going to be in the core game.we have seen the sculpts yes, but at no point has mantic said "the core box with have this this and this". i'd like the undead troll shaman to be in the core game, but i don't see anything that says it was ever going to be right off the bat.

[Slayer]

loving the look of the figures but for the price id want a lot more in the core game

[Elbows]

Let's be real here.  The "normal" method for Kickstarters (particularly of wargames) has been the growing mystery of unlocks.  It's like an advent calendar when you're a child.  Running downstairs and opening up your little calendar for your piece o' chocolate.

They could have done this two ways:

1) $100 for the box with say...45 minis in it, and a "funded" level at say $250,000.  People pledge, reach the 250K and then unlocks starts.
2) $100 for 20 minis and a rather silly low "funded" level at $50,000.  Then reveal likely contents for the first few days to generate excitement etc.

Is it a bit cheeky?  Perhaps.  However I simply want one thing: a good value for my money and a product which appeals to me.  I don't really care how artful they are about reaching the same goal.  I think they're just very very aware that unlocks and surprises etc. are probably a HUGE driving force for interest, news etc.  Consider most of the KS threads on this site.  If we had very high funded levels for a good product there wouldn't be anything to talk about - far less buzz.  By being a little cheeky and breaking it up etc. they're playing a smart PR campaign.

I do believe that there was always going to be more in the box, particularly for $100.  If they had a $40 level then I'd agree that the original box was it.  Because they're doing precisely one pledge option (I love this by the way) they obviously built in some money to cover bonuses, unlocks, and unique miniatures etc.  It's all simple propaganda and politicking.  As long as the end product is worth my $100 I don't mind how they do it.  I don't see it as anything shady.  I also don't believe anyone who pledged the initial $100 expected to simply receive the box contents.  (after all, pledgers can withdraw their pledge up to the last instant).

Mantic is just generating buzz.

[beefcake]

I'm in.  It also looks like they went very subdued for the initial box - fully anticipating a KS explosion.

Expected delivery is August 2015 - so they also are planning this well ahead, and I bet they could easily deliver with 11 months to sort it all out.  (Oddly one of the reasons I do Kickstarters is that I enjoy forgetting about them - and randomly getting a huge box in the mail with goodies...).

That's it. Although when a couple come in at once the wife looks at me a bit quizically.

[maxxev]

Well i'll be sitting on the fence until it feels like it's worth the money over buying Decent .
When it comes down to it, i'm more interested in the components than the game as there are plenty of decent rules systesm out there so there's got to be plenty of components for the money for me.

[beefcake]

I just really like the fact that you will be able to use other miniatures in the game and I already have a tonne of mantic stuff especially the undead stuff and other evil stuff.

[Braxandur]

If the kickstarter goes as planned, knowing Mantic, the box will be filled quite well in the end. However at the moment it does not seem pretty spectaculair to me, mainly due to the Myth, HQ 25th and SDE kickstarters. I would have expected more of the plastic models in the base set (more of the same type would not have been bad at all) and expected to have the rules for KOW models included as well in the advanced rulebook without the need for these being unlocked via stretch goals. A bit of a letdown IMHO. Still it will probably turn out nicely in the end and will already be looking better in a few days.

In the end, I'm going for this mostly for the same reason as Elbows except to play it with my son in a few years time. Actually I've been buying way to many games with the excuse that I hope to play with him, while I really want to have them myself

[beefcake]

Yep, the video that aired just before the KS started made it seem as if all that would be base set.

[psyberwyche]

It took me a whole day to cave. I just backed it, as it seems pretty clear that there are more stretch goals to come. And... it's old school baby!

[mcfonz]

I'm wavering. The actual characters are a bit meh, I have better miniatures already in my collection.

The monster type baddies are ok, but again, not the greatest. Will have to see what the rules are like.

[psyberwyche]

Since my last post they've added three Undead Trolls and a Troll Shaman as stretch goals, with accompanying floor tile. Their initial entry-level pitch was a bit disingenuous perhaps, but it looks like new stretch goals are being added and reached pretty frequently.

To be honest, it looks like some of these tiles will be compatible with Warhammer Quest, which is really what I'm after. More dungeon grist for the dungeon mill!

[Neldoreth]

I wonder if they'll get sued for this one? This is Felecia Day's character in the amazingly popular MMO comedy show The Guild. If they do the whole cast of the show, I may well get into it after all.



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