[Kickstarter] Mantic Dwarf Kings Quest. ALL DONE.$1.05 million final.

[maxxev]

in the interview Ronnie mentioned 4 more adventurers in the box, so we're not at the full retail boxed set yet.

[beefcake]

One of them will be the halfling thief due in about 5k. I don't think the female wizard is part of that though, she's resin exclusive right?

[pixelgeek]

Haha, you almost got me! 

Maybe you don't understand how copyright works but there is nothing actionable in that figure

[beefcake]

I do find it funny that the next stretch goal is for a miniature that appears on the front of the box 

[Neldoreth]

Maybe you don't understand how copyright works but there is nothing actionable in that figure

I wish that were true. If it were, I'd ask for batman... or maybe The Mighty Thor to fit the theme a bit better?!?

Thanks
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[robh]

in the interview Ronnie mentioned 4 more adventurers in the box, so we're not at the full retail boxed set yet.

Quite true, my error, assumed there would 4 heroes in a 2-5 player game.
So $265k with 3 more starter box characters still to be funded by Stretch Goals gets it to about the $300k mark for the complete retail box set. Which will probably sell rrp as a one box starter game for about the same as Mars Attacks; £50 ($85) without the inevitable online trader discounts.

At which time the KS backers get 1 extra plastic model of each undead troop type, a booklet of 6 scenarios re-used from the original DKH game and 2 "exclusive" models (not codex in plastic and the resin dark elf) for a pledge of £60 ($100).

Still not really seeing the value of this one.

[mcfonz]

I think it also includes extra floor plans - could be wrong there mind you.

Two exclusive models at the moment are included as well.

As for the £10 supposed difference. There are a few factors you need to throw in. The obvious is that these ship to your door - whilst UK folk tend to get free shipping over x amount spent anyway - this is a bit more than a few sprues that they would typically send in a small box etc.

Then there is the idea that you should be getting the sets in advance of normal retail. Plus there is anything else they add on from this point in.

I'm not in on it yet, but I may well go in later on. I have noticed that the Early Birds are often only a matter of a $10-15 dollars cheaper in most cases, I'd rather have a better idea of what I am getting so am prepared to wait until more is unveiled.

[Braxandur]

Mantic has the habit of adding more stuff, when the funding slows down, to keep people interested. They did this with Mars Attacks and Dreadball extreme. I would not be surprised of the really nice stuff still has to come. The problem is mainly that more backers are needed, as the add-ons are not yet that interesting imho.

[robh]

From the  game demo video it seems that there will also be some 3D dungeon dressing scenics in the starter box so probably one or more stretch goals to add "free" scenery pieces.

Demo Game Video (quite long)
http://www.beastsofwar.com/dungeon-saga/dungeon-saga-demo-game/

or same video direct to YouTube


The Alpha version of the basic playtest rules (just the minimum to move/fight/cast spells) is available for download on the first link also. With a Q&A thread on Jake's Quirkworthy blog:
http://quirkworthy.com/dungeon-sagas/

Kickstarter Link :
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/dungeon-saga-the-dwarf-kings-quest

[mcfonz]

Part of me wants to say that I think people have been spoiled by some KS's where so much stuff is thrown at them.

Reaper Bones, Zombicide and a few others. But in most of those, and with a pinch of salt, they are deliberately going for masses of miniatures. I've been reliably informed that Zombicide is fun but it becomes very repetitive very quickly.

What really matters to me on this kickstarter is how good the core game actually is. There are already plenty of cheap miniatures out there that can be used for dungeon crawling hordes etc. Games though - now that's another thing.

[nic-e]

Part of me wants to say that I think people have been spoiled by some KS's where so much stuff is thrown at them.

Reaper Bones, Zombicide and a few others. But in most of those, and with a pinch of salt, they are deliberately going for masses of miniatures. I've been reliably informed that Zombicide is fun but it becomes very repetitive very quickly.

What really matters to me on this kickstarter is how good the core game actually is. There are already plenty of cheap miniatures out there that can be used for dungeon crawling hordes etc. Games though - now that's another thing.

I agree .will i'll admit yes, some of this stuff seemed like it shouldn't have been a stretch goal, i don't think £60 for what is on offer is at all bad. games like descent pack alot in, but they are kind of a drudge to play alot and the miniatures can be a bit hit and miss in terms of quality.

[robh]

Part of me wants to say that I think people have been spoiled by some KS's where so much stuff is thrown at them.

I agree totally, and if this were a genuine small company starting up with a new to market idea that needed access to funds to develop/launch I would not expect to see extensive stretch goals or freebies.

However this isn't a genuine KS start up, its a pre-order scheme from an established and well funded reputable company. Mantic do not need to crowd source this development, with their record and financial position they have access to normal funding sources such as market loans and seed capital. However rather than go down that route and pay the interest and commissions they choose to use our money instead.
What they "pay" for the privilege of that are the extras, exclusives and discounts they offer the backers, which currently in this campaign are very few and very disappointing.

I think you should look at each KickStarter project on its merits and decide as a lender/investor what return you want to get for your loan/investment in that particular company.   As I said above, for me, this project is not yet giving good value. Maybe it will as it continues, maybe not. I am prepared to wait until the end to decide, but for me Mantic are one of the companies who should be giving more not less. My expectation is higher than if this was a project from some other games companies.

[Malebolgia]

Read some of the rules today and I must say it's all a bit bland and uninspired. Doesn't appeal at all IMO.

[mcfonz]

I agree totally, and if this were a genuine small company starting up with a new to market idea that needed access to funds to develop/launch I would not expect to see extensive stretch goals or freebies.

However this isn't a genuine KS start up, its a pre-order scheme from an established and well funded reputable company. Mantic do not need to crowd source this development, with their record and financial position they have access to normal funding sources such as market loans and seed capital. However rather than go down that route and pay the interest and commissions they choose to use our money instead.
What they "pay" for the privilege of that are the extras, exclusives and discounts they offer the backers, which currently in this campaign are very few and very disappointing.

I think you should look at each KickStarter project on its merits and decide as a lender/investor what return you want to get for your loan/investment in that particular company.   As I said above, for me, this project is not yet giving good value. Maybe it will as it continues, maybe not. I am prepared to wait until the end to decide, but for me Mantic are one of the companies who should be giving more not less. My expectation is higher than if this was a project from some other games companies.

I agree with some of this - however, being able to access loans to fund projects is the point of KS. It's to help companies cut out the loans, be funded in advance rather than be working for nothing until the loans are paid, which incur interest rates etc.

Also, size of company doesn't really come into it in my mind. Mantic isn't the size of GW. It may be a bigger company but perhaps no bigger than say Perry, Warlord or some of the other, larger companies out there (perhaps Perry isn't a good example).

As others have said, the chances are it will pick up steam towards the end of the campaign anyway but I will still stick to my guns and say that because some KS's are generous, some people often have similar expectations with other KS's when it may not be the case.

This KS may well end up being incredibly generous who knows.

As of yet though, the only KS that I am genuinely gutted about not going in on was C'thulu wars.

I haven't gone near a single Zombicide KS. I like zombigames but as a miniatures fan, rather than a boadgame fan, I thought that the 'generosity' was reflected in the quality of the final pieces. They were not gaming miniatures, struggled to fit with most ranges out there and lacked the quality I would expect of such.

They say, you get what you pay for. The only exception I can see to this is Reaper Bones but it comes with a caveat - in that the material seems to work best with bigger more chunky pieces so that the flexibility of parts and the quality of casting is maintained.

However, I agree with what you say. Every KS has to be taken on it's own merit.

Currently the KS is $100 which according to google currency converter is £59.55. Should the dollar weaken prior to the end of the KS you may well get it cheaper! As it stands there are 38 miniatures included in the set.

As I have already said, I tend to go into crowd funding things later on, forgoing the financial bonus of going in early with knowing what I am going to get. I know you can pull out but I don't like the idea of that.

I watched the video of the basic core game as it stands - plays a bit like the DnD board game if you ask me. Only d6's instead of the specially created dice.

[Elbows]

I definitely see a bunch of stuff in that video that I'm not a big fan of.  However, the basic mechanics look pretty sound...and being a wiz with cards etc.  I could easily adjust anything I wanted to.  I think I'll whip out some game tiles and give this a whirl at some point.  See how it plays out - so I can give some proper feedback to the guys.