(Kickstarter) Carnevale~ Venetian Gothic Cthulhu with good scenery

[elysium64]

I am backing  this. Has a really good rule system, figures are closer to 32mm, Scenery is nice and can be used for other games
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/611224377/carnevale-the-narrative-miniatures-game
Scroll to bottom for buildings.

[fastolfrus]

Always tempted by scenery.....

[abdul666lw]

Glad to see the game alive and expanding - though many miniature figurines don't look really '18th C.', but maybe this opens them a wider market?

Then the design of the courtesan with suspenders rather than garters and a 21th C. g-string is utterly ridiculous.



Hopefully neither will be sculpted on, leaving to the buyer to paint them if so inclined. The (OOP) Foundry female 'Revenant Elves' looked far more adequate for the 18th C.

[Mick A]

Vampires and monsters are fine for 18th C but suspenders and g-string are wrong? It is fantasy...

[Mason]

Vampires and monsters are fine for 18th C but suspenders and g-string are wrong? It is fantasy...

Obviously some have a different take on 'Fantasy....'
Or maybe someone is talking about a different kind of 'Fantasy' altogether.
 

[abdul666lw]

Suspenders, a g-string or an AK 47 in the 18th C. are not 'fantasy' but *science fiction*, requiring a time traveller to have brought such items from the future : not all of us want such a presence implied in their setting 

[fastolfrus]

suspenders rather than garters and a 21th C. g-string

Hopefully neither will be sculpted on, leaving to the buyer to paint them if so inclined.

I must be getting older than I thought - I hadn't even noticed the courtesan.

[Mick A]

Suspenders, a g-string or an AK 47 in the 18th C. are not 'fantasy' but *science fiction*, requiring a time traveller to have brought such items from the future : not all of us want such a presence implied in their setting 

Don't buy the figure then its only one of a multitude of wonderful sculpts...

[Van-Helsing]

The G-String is "variant" of the Thong - which originated in the warmer climates of sub-Saharan Africa where clothing was first worn nearly 75,000 years ago.

Many tribal peoples, such as some of the Khoisan people of southern Africa, wore thongs for many centuries. Much like the Japanese fundoshi, HOWEVER these early garments were made with the male genitalia in mind - maybe the Courtesan is actually some freaky 18th C. Crossdresser?

Although I must admit I found the presence of an AK47 and a G-String being referred to in the same sentence more ludicrous than a G-String being present in concept art for an 18th C. Setting

[Dolmot]

HOWEVER these early garments were made with the male genitalia in mind - maybe the Courtesan is actually some freaky 18th C. Crossdresser?

Interestingly, underpants (of any kind) and suspenders (as in cords for hose) were also considered men's fashion for centuries so you may have a point there...



(what a wonderful page)

But I also learnt that Venetian 18th century courtesans could cross-dress as men so this is getting confusing.

Anyway, there's an article for everything, including underwear around 1800.

1775-1795

Drawers were not worn in this period.

1795-1820

"Drawers" (underpants with short legs) were only beginning to be worn by a few women during this period. They were tied separately around the waist. Stockings (hosiery), made of silk or knitted cotton, were held up by garters below the knee until suspenders were introduced in the late 19th century and were often of a white or pale flesh color

Is there a correlation to French can-can, which apparently become fashionable in the 1830s?

Stockings - below or above the knee?

And then I learnt that English ladies of questionable repute apparently started to lose their clothing from the upper end.

With a bit of filing, you could probably match the look of the White Dove from original releases. The knickers parts is still anachronistic, though. That's quite upsetting. If this kind of inaccuracy becomes a trend, someone could start releasing wild west women wearing jeans and knotted shirts or Victorian ladies with corsets as a top layer.

Thank you for making me spend an hour to study historical underwear.

[elysium64]

I did not expect this thread to become a topic about 18th C underwear, enlightening though it is.

[Dolmot]

I hope we get regular updates on the knicker front from Vesper-on.

[Van-Helsing]

I did not expect this thread to become a topic about 18th C underwear, enlightening though it is.

History and Learning are everywhere 

[Mason]

Thank you for making me spend an hour to study historical underwear.

At your service, Sir.
Although judging by your previous posting I have a feeling that you are well versed on the subject.
 

I did not expect this thread to become a topic about 18th C underwear, enlightening though it is.

Abdul does seem to be quite an authority.
I am sure he can elaborate further.
 

[FramFramson]

Well, this thread certainly took a turn... 

I'd love some of the vesper figs, but cripes are they pricey (and those are by my fairly generous standards!). Not really a big enough discount to entice me into a big buy right now, so the Rashaar will have to stay on the back burner for the time being.