Terminator Models

[Dan]

I'm just looking into starting a Future Wars project with Zombies , Dalexs and Terminators . Possibly Dr Who could show up as well so wanted to ask a few questions.

I have the Copplestone Terminators and was wondering if the EM4 models are exactly the same as they have the same sculpter in Mark Copplestone.
Also was wondering if the early GW models are very close in design and height .
I would probobly mix all three anyway but was just wondering .

[white knight]

Can't help with the size comparison, but if you need the old GW necrons, I have most or all of them and they're part of the "need to put these up for sale sometime"-pile.

[revford]

I have some of the EM4 and plastic GW Necron robots and they look very different in size and style.  Especially the weapons.

[Captain Blood]

No, the EM4 terminators are slightly different.
They have similar bodies but different looking heads.

It's interesting to compare the original Copplestone Grenadier (now EM4) Future Wars figures with his 'own brand' later range...

Some of the figures are almost exact replicas of his earlier work - some are quite different. There are a few figures in the old range which he never reproduced in his own later range, and equally, quite a few different figure types in the Copplestone Castings line which had no equivalent in the original range. They are all lovely figures though, and match in pretty well with each other, although the Grenadier / EM4 figures are noticeably slimmer.

[Westfalia Chris]

You can easily mix the EM-4 Terminators and the Copplestone ones to depict different models of robots while still following a common theme, which is what I did for my Skynet army - it combines EM-4, Copplestone, RAFM Skelebots and even an Excalibur Not-Hammerstein. Unfortunately DM is still down, so I´m unable to show pics at the moment.

Personally, I prefer to use the Copplestone Terminators (got a squad of five) either as "leaderbots", ie to control troops of less well-equipped machines, or as an "assault squad", since they DO look a bit beefier than the EM-4 (while lacking the heavy weaponry, duh!) and are miles apart from the spindly skelebots.

[Dan]

Ok thanks guys , good answers there  White Knight thanks for the offer but will only need a few so might ask at the club first .

I am undercoating a mix of EM4 and Copplestone Cops . The only difference seems to be the weapons and how they are mounted to the base (slotta or integral) which makes a difference in the height .

Chris I remember looking at your site , it was quite good from what I remember . Did you also use the Amazon Runaway Robots ? http://www.amazonminiatures.com/catalogue/index5.asp?rName=Legions%20of%20Steel

I think I'm going to get all The Hazchem figures and suits from both companies and mix them up , plus of course the Terminators.

I think my opponent is going to get some of the other troops so it will be interesting to see how they match up.

Did I mention I bought a packet of Eureka Armed Gibbons and am waiting for the rest of the line which was posted Friday  cant wait to paint them up.

[Lowtardog]

I prefer the EM4 Terminiators as they have a more skull like head whilst the later copplestone ones have a look of Marvin the paranoid android

[Westfalia Chris]

Ok thanks guys , good answers there  White Knight thanks for the offer but will only need a few so might ask at the club first .

I am undercoating a mix of EM4 and Copplestone Cops . The only difference seems to be the weapons and how they are mounted to the base (slotta or integral) which makes a difference in the height .

Indeed, since the Copplestones are a little bit larger by themselves AND have an integral base, there is a noticeable difference, but it is okay if you consider them different models (which is easy because they are different enough in sculpt).

Chris I remember looking at your site , it was quite good from what I remember . Did you also use the Amazon Runaway Robots ? http://www.amazonminiatures.com/catalogue/index5.asp?rName=Legions%20of%20Steel

Nope, mainly because I didn´t think about them at the time , but now that you mentioned them I really have to consider getting some. There´s some nice stuff in that range.

[Argonor]

I'm just looking into starting a Future Wars project with Zombies , Dalexs and Terminators .

Are you going to use the Future Wars ruleset? If so, please give feedback on the Zombie rules, I think the zombies are way too ineffective (when compared to zombie movies).

[Commander Vyper]

Ok thanks guys , good answers there  White Knight thanks for the offer but will only need a few so might ask at the club first .

I am undercoating a mix of EM4 and Copplestone Cops . The only difference seems to be the weapons and how they are mounted to the base (slotta or integral) which makes a difference in the height .

Chris I remember looking at your site , it was quite good from what I remember . Did you also use the Amazon Runaway Robots ? http://www.amazonminiatures.com/catalogue/index5.asp?rName=Legions%20of%20Steel

I think I'm going to get all The Hazchem figures and suits from both companies and mix them up , plus of course the Terminators.

I think my opponent is going to get some of the other troops so it will be interesting to see how they match up.

Did I mention I bought a packet of Eureka Armed Gibbons and am waiting for the rest of the line which was posted Friday  cant wait to paint them up.

I have a huge amount of copplestone gen 1 (EM4) and gen 2 (copplestone casting's) figures, the issue with the solid bases can be easier rectified by cutting a hole in the slotta the size of the base and fix the mini in place from underneath with a hot glue gun. Done this on all my jungle trooper/halo conversions and they look great, (personally hate coins, raised bases and metal lumpy bases...slots all the way for me!)

The Commander

[Argonor]

RAFM Skelebots

Which range are they in?

[Dan]

I'm just looking into starting a Future Wars project with Zombies , Dalexs and Terminators .

Are you going to use the Future Wars ruleset? If so, please give feedback on the Zombie rules, I think the zombies are way too ineffective (when compared to zombie movies).

I have had the rules for quite awhile and did'nt like them on first reading , but have spent some time today working through them and I think they are going to work ok .
I've not tried the Zombies yet so have not formed an opinion .
I was also thinking of these rules but have not downloaded them as I hate printing stuff off.
http://www.wargamesunlimited.com/nolimits/index.html

[Westfalia Chris]

RAFM Skelebots

Which range are they in?

RAFM did a miniature line for the RIFTS RPG back in the early 1990s (1991-1992 being the most productive years, judging from the stamps on the figure bases. Nice stuff. I´ve got a Coalition army and use the Skelebots for "Terminator" games as well. I don´t know if they still manufacture them, though. I got mine for a pittance at various "cleaning shop" sales here in Germany and at conventions.

Check >>>this link<<<

Also, here´s the Terminator gallery: >>>http://www.dminis.com/Scratchbuilder_Christian/gallery/1775/<<<

[Argonor]

I have had the rules for quite awhile and did'nt like them on first reading , but have spent some time today working through them and I think they are going to work ok .

I think they do - they have a very strong emphasis on the choice between mobility and firepower (as you can only Aim Fire at a range over 6" when standing still, most shooting only suppresses the enemy)

I've not tried the Zombies yet so have not formed an opinion.

The problem, as I see it, is 1) a Z has to be motivated to remove a suppression counter, and 2) it only removes a counter on a 6.
Thus, if you do not have a controller (what you would not in a Zombiecalypse game), the Zs never shake off suppression and are as such taken out of the game if hit by suppressing fire. AND the controller can only motivate d6 Zs every turn, which means you'll still not even remove one single suppression counter each turn (on average).

My suggestion is, either let the Zs automatically remove a suppression each turn (no motivation needed), or at least let them shrug off suppression on a much lower dice roll (4+?). That way, you'll have the Zs shamble onto their feet after being knocked over by gunfire (much like in Dead Walk Again, another free downloadable - and very enjoyable - ruleset), instead of being totally immobilized.

I was also thinking of these rules but have not downloaded them as I hate printing stuff off.
http://www.wargamesunlimited.com/nolimits/index.html

I know those (have them), and I have not played them, yet. I like the Idea of being able to adapt any minis from any system, though.

[Lowtardog]

Amazon miniatures sell the legion of steel which has some nice candidates