Who Games/collects Napoleon in Egypt?

[brigadegames]

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http://brigadegames.3dcartstores.com/Napoleonics--1789--1815_c_37.html

[Arthur]

Looking forward to the new releases being added to the BG webstore. Do you have an approximate ETA for the French artillery crews in Kleber uniforms, Lon ?

 

[Shipka]

For the Ottomans def need the Nizam regiments, also Napoleons Albanian troops

[Arthur]

For the Ottomans def need the Nizam regiments, also Napoleons Albanian troops

I'd say Cairo Janissaries first as they saw more action than the Nizam I Jedid, who were not involved in the majority of the great Egyptian battles. Their contribution was mostly restricted to the Syrian campaign and the defenses of Acre and Gaza. I don't think the Nizam I Jedid fought at Mount Tabor and Aboukir - though I'm not 100% sure about that - but they seem to have played a more significant role in the 1801 campaign and the capture of Rashid.

The Egyptian Nizam I Jedid were mostly developed by Muhammed Ali Pasha after 1801 and would come in handy to drive the British out of Egypt in 1807 rather than fight the French in 1799-1800.

[samted25]

One minor historical quibble regarding the Kleber uniform grenadiers is that Paul chose to sculpt them all in plumed bicornes rather than casquettes à pouf. I suspect this is because he used the famous Chasseriau drawing below as his main source :

Hello,

I am sorry to be so forward but I just joined this group to ask a question about this picture, even though I have found reading the threads rather interesting.  I would like some help identifying this drawing that you showed.  I found this reference when searching the web and it brought me to this forum.

I am doing some research on the 88th Demi-Battalion de Ligne, and I believe this photo concerns this regiment.  You gave quite a bit of details about the photo.  I have been trying to find any reference at all to this photo on the net but am having no luck at all, even though you stated it was a famous drawing.

Could I ask you for any further information on this drawing, you state the artist is Chasseriau, but do you have a full name, or is there any place I can reference further information on this drawing.

Thank you in advance and my apologies for bothering you concerning something not related to gaming or miniatures, though as I stated above this seems a rather interesting world indeed.

[rumacara]

I´ve discovered this thread now and i love it.
Lots of ideas and information.

Its worth to check Trent miniatures. They have some very specific units/miniatures that might be suitable for this period.

SDS is a very nice set of rules and can easylly be adapted for many periods.

[Arthur]

Hello,

I am sorry to be so forward but I just joined this group to ask a question about this picture, even though I have found reading the threads rather interesting.  I would like some help identifying this drawing that you showed.  I found this reference when searching the web and it brought me to this forum.

I am doing some research on the 88th Demi-Battalion de Ligne, and I believe this photo concerns this regiment.  You gave quite a bit of details about the photo.  I have been trying to find any reference at all to this photo on the net but am having no luck at all, even though you stated it was a famous drawing.

Could I ask you for any further information on this drawing, you state the artist is Chasseriau, but do you have a full name, or is there any place I can reference further information on this drawing.

Thank you in advance and my apologies for bothering you concerning something not related to gaming or miniatures, though as I stated above this seems a rather interesting world indeed.

Got your PM's and sent you an answer last night : I think it went through OK, let me know if it didn't.

[Arthur]

Coming next month from BG are an Imam and a water bearer, Cairo Janissaries - yay ! - and some Albanians, all sculpted by Paul Hicks like the rest of the range :

[Shipka]

Yipeee more Albanians to fight my Greeks!

[Christopher]

More of my money wizzing across the Atlantic.

[Calimero]

A little bit of threadomancy here but I have a painting commission to do and was wondering how I should arrange the figures I’ve received. I was thinking of doing 24 figures units as it’s quite a "standard wargaming unit size" for infantry.

Now, according to the Osprey book, Napoleon's Egyptian Campaigns 1798-1801 each Demi-Brigades was organised as following;

Line DBs had 1 Grenadier company, 8 Fusilier companies
Light DBs had 1 Carabinier company, 7 Chasseur companies

What could be the best way to represent that? I’ve receive around 90 fusiliers figures and 90 light Coy. figures plus a few command figures (enough for 3 units) specifically in Egyptian Campaigns dress. I’ve also received some figures in bicorn (revolutionary wars dress) and even a few in bearskin…

Any thought on how I should proceed?

Cheers!

[Arthur]

It depends on which part of the campaign you happen to be doing. French infantry battalions originally had nine companies : eight 'center' companies of line fusiliers or légère chasseurs and one elite company of line grenadiers or légère carabiniers.

Upon his return to Cairo in July 1799 after the Syrian campaign, Bonaparte ordered infantry battalions to be reduced to five companies, four of fusiliers/chasseurs and one of grenadiers/carabiniers. This was due to the attrition caused by casualties and disease and the difficulty in replenishing the ranks after the Armée d'Orient was cut off from France by the British blockade. While it was definitely implemented in the line demi-brigades, it is still debated whether the light demi-brigades adopted the new battalion structure as upon landing in Marseilles on October 1st 1801 the first battalion of the 21st light demi-brigade still had its surviving 301 rank and file organised in nine companies.    

Since your figures are apparently wearing the Kleber uniform and leather casquette à pouffe, then the most convenient and historically accurate battalion organisation is 20 figures in five bases of four - 4 fusilier/chasseurs bases and one of grenadiers/carabiniers. This is the unit size I have personally chosen for my French infantry battalions in Kleber uniforms, using the Heliopolis order of battle as a basis. At 1:20, this gives me 400-men infantry units, which is a tad on the high side but still consistent with the effective strength of most French infantry battalions circa March 1800. I also use the five-company structure for my light demi-brigades, though 18-figure battalions in nine bases of two figures would be perfectly manageable as well.

For figures wearing the regulation long-tailed habit and tricorn (a uniform which incidentally was no longer worn after December 1798), the best way to accurately depict a full-strength French infantry battalion at 1:20 is to go for 36-figure units with nine bases of four figures - eight of fusiliers/chasseurs and one of grenadiers/carabiniers. 24 figures is a respectable size but won't allow you to properly represent the battalion's company structure. It will however work well if you're not interested in representing individual companies : in that case, give your 24 figure battalion either two or four grenadiers depending on the visual impact you're looking for. Incidentally, bearskins were not worn in Egypt, bicornes being the standard headgear for all line and light elite companies.

Hopes this helps.    

[LAFWargamerabbit]

Been gaming for several years the early battles of General Bonaparte. The campaign in Egypt alongside the first Italian campaign of 1796.

Battle of Gaza 1799, Alexandria 1801, scenario for the battle under the Pyramids.

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[Shipka]

Matchlock Miniatures have released a Rumeli Sekhan in their 28mm frange

[Calimero]

Thanks for the infos, all!

Here's what I come up with so far. Not the best pictures I'm affraid... nor the best figures to work with for that matter, but the end result is quite good... the figures (and painting) do look better in the flesh!

9^th Demi-Brigade (line Infantry) c. 1799


69^th Demi-Brigade (line Infantry) c. 1799


88^th Demi-Brigade (line Infantry) c. 1799


75^th Demi-Brigade (line Infantry) c. 1798-99


Mounted Officer and casualty figure