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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: Captain Blood on November 11, 2013, 10:04:06 AM
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Or, how to comprehensively destroy your eyesight in one sitting...
The first few test figures for the wargame proposed here...
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=58863.0
The figures are 10mm Pendraken. Three figure parties mounted on 20mm washers. These are the first multiple based figures I've done in 30 years!
Silent Invader kindly sent me a few samples. Think most of these come from the AWI range. They don't quite look like pirates - the clothing is (surprisingly) fairly distinctive, even in this tiny scale...
That said, on the tabletop, who's ever going to get close enough to find out?!
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/577_11_11_13_10_54_52_0.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/577_11_11_13_10_54_52_1.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/577_11_11_13_10_54_52_2.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/577_11_11_13_10_54_52_3.JPG)
And with a (tall!) 28mm Black Scorpion pirate for scale...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/577_11_11_13_10_54_52_4.JPG)
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Absolutely awesome. My brain can't even process how you painted those stripes.
Top marks that man!
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Wowzer!
They are incomprehensibly good .... That's my thoughts of a basecoat and a wash scuppered!
The figures are from a mix of SYW, AWI and I think WSS packs.
Lovely groupings, 3 to a 20mm washer works great.
:-* 8)
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Oh dear, this is going to go from bad to worse. This is madness I tell ya, 40mm is the new 28mm not 10mm! ;)
Splendid brushwork though ;D
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Excellent work. Nice bright colours really brings them to life.
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IN-sane!
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Absolutely stunning, ya mad bugger!
:-* :-*
The stripes!
Lunacy, I tell ya!
:o
I may be the Miopic, but carry on like this and you WILL become Riccardo the Blind!
:D
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Arrr, they be as finer group of miscreants as you're ever likely to lay eyes on, and you can lay me to that ;)
cheers
James
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Arrr, they be as finer group of miscreants as you're ever likely to lay eyes on, and you can lay me to that ;)
:o
Ya cheap tart!
What the hell are you nutters up to now?
10mm...?
Are you all bonkers or summink?
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Arrr. Paul me lad. Get yerself a flask o' grog an' get aboard shipmate... ;)
I've just ordered a few bags of these little blighters... Cheap as chips. But I'm only going to paint just as many as I need AND NO MORE.
(How many do I need Steve? 30 or 40 in total, including gun crews?)
Now to find a ship - yarrr!
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:o
Ya cheap tart!
What the hell are you nutters up to now?
10mm...?
Are you all bonkers or summink?
They are all barking mad lol
And I will not be following them in this lunacy ;)
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You say that now...
We shall see...
:D
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They are all barking mad lol
And I will not be following them in this lunacy ;)
I've heard that somewhere before... ;)
Lovely work Cap'n. Hmm 10mm pirates? Let me see...
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Arrr. Paul me lad. Get yerself a flask o' grog an' get aboard shipmate... ;)
I am not ruining what little eyesight I have left with those little blighters.
The scenery would be fun, though.... ::)
In fact, I have some small tropical islands that you fella's may find useful.
;)
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I am not ruining what little eyesight I have left with those little blighters.
The scenery would be fun, though.... ::)
In fact, I have some small tropical islands that you fella's may find useful.
;)
Not for the eastern med they won't be lol
cheers
James
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Not for the eastern med they won't be lol
Oh, I dont know.....
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j478/themason73/themason73011/ebayandseasstuff027_zps76ee12c6.jpg)
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j478/themason73/themason73011/ebayandseasstuff033_zpse582cbea.jpg)
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j478/themason73/themason73011/ebayandseasstuff036_zps4a36726d.jpg)
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j478/themason73/themason73011/ebayandseasstuff031_zps7c93ac25.jpg)
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j478/themason73/themason73011/ebayandseasstuff039_zps90011d03.jpg)
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j478/themason73/themason73011/ebayandseasstuff042_zps9267aabc.jpg)
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I'll take that back then lol
cheers
James
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I'll take that back then lol
lol
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Arrr. Paul me lad. Get yerself a flask o' grog an' get aboard shipmate... ;)
I've just ordered a few bags of these little blighters... Cheap as chips. But I'm only going to paint just as many as I need AND NO MORE.
(How many do I need Steve? 30 or 40 in total, including gun crews?)
Now to find a ship - yarrr!
Depends how big your fleet is Richard .... will one ship be enough?!
I'm probably going to go for a few smaller ones and focus on speed and manoeuvre ... Which based on prior experience is probably a losing strategy!
The corsair will take about six washers so for each corsair I am inclined to do 24 crew, with 12 on 4 washers (leaving some space) and 12 (gunners. In the masts, etc) fixed to the boat. Assuming the Captain goes on one of the washers, that'll give me a mobile command group with a three element boarding and landing force.
Sound about right?
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how's the game called?
"War Tweezers" ?
"Grab Your Magnifying Glass" ?
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Lovely work 8)
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Ya cheap tart!
What the hell are you nutters up to now?
10mm...?
Are you all bonkers or summink?
The price increase for the main component of our beloved lead-piles demands drastic measures...
So it's either smaller minis or less minis, and I wonder who would accept less minis as a solution ;)
@Topic wonderfull brushwork, they are just lovely little pirates
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Thanks for the comments all :)
Depends how big your fleet is Richard .... will one ship be enough?!
I'm probably going to go for a few smaller ones and focus on speed and manoeuvre ... Which based on prior experience is probably a losing strategy!
The corsair will take about six washers so for each corsair I am inclined to do 24 crew, with 12 on 4 washers (leaving some space) and 12 (gunners. In the masts, etc) fixed to the boat. Assuming the Captain goes on one of the washers, that'll give me a mobile command group with a three element boarding and landing force.
Sound about right?
Sounds good to me.
When are you shaping and casting the guns? :D
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:-* Wow! Simply stunning. I find 15mm hard enough. I can't imagine painting 10mm! Great job.
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Wonderfully done! I'd be bug-eyed after trying to paint a figure that small and would not do 1/2 as well. :-*
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Excellent work Captain, are we going to see anymore ?
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You are MAD and very skilful. Stunning work :-* :-* :-*
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Are those islands made from the GW moon craters?
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how's the game called?
"War Tweezers" ?
Sounds cool :)
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Brilliant!
Having painted some 10mm myself - the Copplestone fantasy - I know what you've been through! ::)
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Are those islands made from the GW moon craters?
They are indeed.
:D
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Superb work on the tiny cut throats! :-* :-*
Christopher
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Lovely stuff...really pleased to see you embracing the epic scale !
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Stunning brushwork Richard... the 28mm figure puts me in mind of Gulliver-based game next.
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Regarding cannon, I shall probably have a go at them next week. Will you be fixing yours to the ship or on washers?
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Ooooh. I hadn't thought about that...
Maybe three figures plus a gun affixed to a 20mm washer base, so they can be used on board or brought ashore?
Or maybe the guns and crews would be better on rectangular bases?
Hmmmm...
You're the design expert and organising intelligence for this mad Lilliputian adventure - you tell me! :D :D :D
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You are all nuts and at the same time praise-worthy....
CB must have made a pact with the devil....
full name is Captain F. Blood? ;)
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Am not keen on square edge bases for unregimented folk!
It will be a bit fiddly but depending on the ship(s) you buy it might be possible to fix a cannon at the edge of a washer so that it lines up with a gun hatch for on ship action. I have to conduct some experiments.
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maybe a giant squid?
and dont forget the treasure chest.
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Thanks all.
Excellent work Captain, are we going to see anymore ?
Yes, there will definitely be more... But not for a little while, since I don't have any more to paint yet... But I've ordered a few packs :)
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I have a giant squid... lol lol
(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j375/ErictheShed/p15.jpg)
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I have a giant squid... lol lol
(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j375/ErictheShed/p15.jpg)
Whats that boat from? Three masts, that looks like a Clipper?
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Its the Ainsty Pirate Ship..
http://ainstycastings.co.uk/product_info.php/cPath/63/products_id/648/osCsid/cf123108962c551de03fb6e514c450b4
Heres a picture of it finished
(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j375/ErictheShed/Game%20of%20Bones/1hmsfoxglove_zpsc65cd237.jpg)
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i like the little cannons.
what would you use for the little piles of cannon balls.
Tiny ball bearings maybe?
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Sod the ship, where did you get that squid, mate?
:D
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Amazon - its a toy...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Safari-277829-Giant-Animal-Figure/dp/B000H6FI4U/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1384331691&sr=8-6&keywords=Squid
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Cheers, Giles.
:D
I think that will make the basis for an excellent Watcher in the Water
;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watcher_in_the_Water
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Sorry for derailing the thread again, Richard.
::)
Back to the lovely likkal pirates.....
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/577_11_11_13_10_54_52_0.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/577_11_11_13_10_54_52_1.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/577_11_11_13_10_54_52_2.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/577_11_11_13_10_54_52_3.JPG)
And with a (tall!) 28mm Black Scorpion pirate for scale...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/577_11_11_13_10_54_52_4.JPG)
(I still think that you are mad, though....).
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Sorry for derailing the thread again, Richard.
::)
No problem Paul ;)
i like the little cannons.
what would you use for the little piles of cannon balls.
Tiny ball bearings maybe?
I've made piles of cannon balls from Milliput or you could use Green Stuff. Very easy to do, and doesn't take very long.
There again, whilst gunners may have made neat pyramids of cannon balls on the battlefield, I can't imagine thy'd have done this on board sailing ships - they would surely have rolled about all over the place... I imagine cannon balls on ships must have been stored in barrels or chests.
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Indeed
I remember in the Patrick O'Brian books some fuss was made about crew who had to fetch the ammo from the armoury. I think there is even a specialization for that duty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder_monkey
not my field of knowledge these things, but I can imagine it would include the explosive shot as well?
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cannon balls were stored on wooden trays - imagine a movement tray strip with the base
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POWDER MONKEY! ;D
thats what you need, a little powder monkey fetching ammunition.
"Its a fine gentleman you're going to make, Jim."
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"What a splendid thing it is to be young and have ten toes. "
Arrrr!
Sorry, couldnt help myself. :D
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What, ho?! A stalwart of LAF going into a smaller scale! :o And even smaller than my chosen scale of 15 mm. Shocking, good sirs, shocking. And delightful. lol
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The rack of cannon balls ready for action is called a monkey. They would be made of two rods of brass with ends and the balls racked along them. When in extremely cold climates, they could contract to the point that they would spill the balls onto the deck, hence "freezing the balls off a brass monkey." :D
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POWDER MONKEY! ;D
thats what you need, a little powder monkey fetching ammunition.
Hmmm. So a small boy in 10mm scale would be what, about 6mm?
Off to look at 6mm figures from 1675 - 1700 then! ;)
The rack of cannon balls ready for action is called a monkey. They would be made of two rods of brass with ends and the balls racked along them. When in extremely cold climates, they could contract to the point that they would spill the balls onto the deck, hence "freezing the balls off a brass monkey." :D
Knowledgeable swine. That, Kev, is a good one... (although having just googled it, there is quite a popular alternative theory... )
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Hmmm. So a small boy in 10mm scale would be what, about 6mm?
Off to look at 6mm figures from 1675 - 1700 then! ;)
Knowledgeable swine. That, Kev, is a good one... (although having just googled it, there is quite a popular alternative theory... )
6mm...Aaaaaag, that might be a bit beyond my eyesight.
But all joking aside, those are some awesome minis, and an even awesomer (is that even a word) paintjob. I dont know if i could paint something that small, and do a good job. I think thats a bit beyond my skill level. :)
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Well, a mere 12 years on (is that a threadomancy record? lol), I'm back on this project.
I've had a few false starts with it over the intervening years, but I think the time has finally come to bring it to fruition. So watch this space over the next few weeks / months.
It is, of course, ridiculous at my advanced age to start painting 10mm figures. But even though the teeny tiny figures are a wee bit sketchy in some cases, they're still fun and interesting to paint and to create a setting and game with.
I'm using all Pendraken figures - they only do one pack of actual pirates (which are even tinier and sketchier than the rest of their ranges for some reason), but I'm using figures drawn from all their ranges, from ECW through to AWI, on the basis that a/ nobody's going to be able to tell from more than six inches away, and b/ 'Pirates' as a cinematic / gaming genre, is pretty fast and loose in terms of era. Almost anything from 1650 - 1780 will pass muster, especially when all mixed up together and painted in lairy colours.
The project will encompass pirates, civilians, colonial forces, terrain boards, ships, boats, islands, sea and a pirate town! I'll chart progress here.
(Unless I go blind first).
Anyway, here are the pirate crews thus far - with many more on the way and nearing shore ;)
I'm adopting a 3:2:1 basing approach, and will probably end up using The Pikeman's Lament (or some variant of it) by way of rules.
The guns were modelled (12 years ago!) by Silent Invader. I hope and believe he has some more for me! ;)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-170425150435-658331955.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-170425145433-658272281.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-170425145433-65825126.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-170425145433-658261494.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-170425145433-658242357.jpeg)
Guns!
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-170425150207-65828931.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-170425150207-658321111.jpeg)
Buried treasure! Yarrrr!
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-170425150207-65830182.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-170425150207-658311433.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-170425150207-65829783.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/25/577_02_06_16_1_54_20_1.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-170425150435-658342142.jpeg)
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Very nice painting. Would have thought they were 15mm if you hadn't said :)
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Very nice painting. Would have thought they were 15mm if you hadn't said :)
They are fantastic all of them :-*, unfortunately it's now got me thinking about wargaming Gulliver's travels ;D
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Yowsa! Those are 10mm?? I know folks who can't paint 28mm that well. This looks like a fun project. I like that stable of rules, so it should definitely work for you what you have in mind.
Mike Demana
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Excellent stuff Cpt Blood!
Can't believe its 12 years since I last saw these :(
Do you recall where the chap carrying the rum / powder barrel is from - I thought I knew the Pendraken ranges quite well, but don't recognise this chap.
There are some very pirate like canon in one of the SYW ranges if you need something a bit different.
They are fantastic all of them :-*, unfortunately it's now got me thinking about wargaming Gulliver's travels ;D
Me too the painted 28s fit in strangely well.
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Those are most excellent!
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Yowsa! Those are 10mm?? I know folks who can't paint 28mm that well.
Mike Demana
Sadly that also includes me, still never mind, it's the thought that counts ;) lol
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Thanks all :)
Do you recall where the chap carrying the rum / powder barrel is from - I thought I knew the Pendraken ranges quite well, but don't recognise this chap.
There are some very pirate like canon in one of the SYW ranges if you need something a bit different.
Thanks Fred. Yes, I’ve ordered some of the 9lb ‘fortress cannon’, which do look like ship’s guns.
The fellow carrying the cask is from the League of Augsburg ‘artillery crew firing’ pack.
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Oh my god!
At that size I can hardly see them….your paintwork is better on these than many peoples 28mm! Insane…and brilliant!
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The fellow carrying the cask is from the League of Augsburg ‘artillery crew firing’ pack.
Thanks - now had a look and seen I've painted him at least 4 times! Perhaps it was 12 years ago...
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Whoa-ho! Or, yo-ho. Nice. ;)
Now all you need is a proper sailing ship to move along! lol
Seriously, N scale buildings and a ship (if you can find one) will be a great (if expensive!) source for add-ons.
But you can stick with Pendraken for critters. 1:200 or even 1:220 might also work for a ship(s).
Me? A similar long time since my 2012 massive pirate games in 15 mm - but I'm contemplating pulling the best and 'all unique' figures and basing them individually on round metal bases (from Total Element). That will still yield A LOT of piratical folk.
Hey, race you to the 'finish line'! (You'll probably win - and your paint jobs will run speedier circles around mine.)
Shall watch your progress.
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Wow, I saw these and thought that Pendraken did a more extensive pirate range than I remember, and then it gradually dawned on me that many of these figures seem familiar.
Clever proxying and awesome painting.
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Cracking if somewhat tardy progress Richard! :D ;)
And talking of tardy......
The guns were modelled (12 years ago!) by Silent Invader. I hope and believe he has some more for me! ;)
Having lost them, found them forgotten to send them, lost them, found them etc numerous times over the years, I've now found them again!!!!
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Having lost them, found them forgotten to send them, lost them, found them etc numerous times over the years, I've now found them again!!!!
Haha. Thanks Steve :)
Wow, I saw these and thought that Pendraken did a more extensive pirate range than I remember, and then it gradually dawned on me that many of these figures seem familiar.
Clever proxying and awesome painting.
:) Thank you.
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Pirates need boats, obviously, so I've invested in a small fleet of 3D printed ones.
The quality isn't bad provided you don't look too closely, and to be honest, at £6 or £8 for a pair, they're ridiculously cheap. Each boat comes with 8 oars.
Unfortunately, the version scaled for 10mm is just too small. It would probably be alright for several unbased 10mm figures crowded aboard as a vignette. But for practical gaming purposes, once the figures are based, you can only fit a couple of the singly based figures aboard, and none of those based in twos or threes :(
So these rowing boats will be relegated to set dressing / scenic embellishment as one or two man dinghies.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-190425151146-65868976.jpeg)
The version of the longboat scaled for 15mm however, is just about perfect.
Unsurprising really, because (in the same way that most '28mm' figures are actually about 35mm tall, and most '15mm' are actually around 18mm - 19mm), most of the Pendraken 10mm figures are actually around 12mm-13mm high. (Except, weirdly, the pack of actual pirates, which are tiny - truly 10mm to the top of the head. I guess it's difficult when working in such a small scale, but there's a quite noticeable degree of variation in size across the different Pendraken ranges).
In any event, the 15mm scaled longboat can comfortably accommodate a payload / crew of 9 multiply based figures. And looks much more in scale, especially with the 10mm scale oars in position (the 15mm scale oars look way too big against the figures).
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-190425151146-65869639.jpeg)
Unfortunately those 10mm printed oars are incredibly fine and fragile. I don't think they'd last more than one game.
However, I do want the longboats to have oars in the water, as in games they're usually going to be portrayed as 'under way'.
So I've fitted 0.5mm piano wire oars instead (you can't see the oar blades because obviously they're in the water! ;))
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-190425151146-658702435.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-190425151146-658712367.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-190425151146-658722191.jpeg)
Note to self... On the rest of them, I will lightly sand down the topmost surface of the gunwales, as drybrushing unfortunately highlights the ripples of 3D printed material.
Not really visible from more than a few inches away, but irritating... :-[
I've also ordered a selection of 3D printed sloops, ketches and skiffs (in 15mm), so we'll see how those fit in...
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Well, the word I would use for your new guys is "cute." ;)
Really well painted.
I am really interested to see where this leads to. :D
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The boats are great - even if they are technically over scale they work really well with the based figures.
Do you have a link to them?
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They're by Printable Scenery. A number of vendors of 3D printed models carry them. I got these ones from Highlands3DPrints.
https://www.highlands3dprints.com/shop/p/2-x-longboats-with-oars
Well, the word I would use for your new guys is "cute." ;)
Really well painted.
I am really interested to see where this leads to. :D
Thanks Randy.
Don’t worry, I’m not going to start doing 10mm Bloody Miniatures. Although… o_o lol
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Thanks
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Nice looking small guys. :-*
In case you come across this boat i think it will fit the bill.
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Amazing work at this scale. :o
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Really great looking - very well done :-*
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Thanks guys :)
Nice looking small guys. :-*
In case you come across this boat i think it will fit the bill.
Thank you, Rui. I shall check it out.
1:120 scale should be about right. When I first started out on this madness, I bought the old Airfix St.Louis kit (at huge expense off eBay) which is 1:144 scale - supposedly the correct scale for 10mm.
But the ship itself is huge (about 400mm long on the table top), while its equipment - like its cannons - are microscopic. More like 6mm in wargaming terms. So that's still languishing unbuilt in pristine condition in its box!
Meanwhile, here's the next gang of pirates (and townsfolk) off the painting line...
Again, they're drawn from a variety of the Pendraken ranges - and again, the quality is a little variable. Some are little gems. One or two are a wee bit sketchy.
To be honest, the model I like best is the dog. The Pendraken pack of teeny tiny dogs is really lovely :)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-200425175737-658902225.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-200425175737-658911736.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-200425175158-65887933.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-200425175158-65888411.jpeg)
And here's the rascally crew so far...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-200425175158-65889344.jpeg)
The next 20 are now on the painting table ::)
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Lovely collection. :-*
That ship is about 25 cm long. You should find it on ebay and not expensive. I think at some point Italeri got the mold and produced it but i think SMER will be cheaper.
Any idea of the rules you will be using?
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Those do look amazing...!
Mike Demana
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Thank you :)
Here's the next lift of tiny pirates... (and a wandering milkmaid lol)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-230425145830-65904669.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-230425145830-658992139.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-230425145830-659062482.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/577-230425145830-659051409.jpeg)
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Splendid! Really liking these.
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These are superb Captain and just real fun to view! :D
Christopher
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Awesome! I couldn‘t even spot them on the painting desk. Woderful brushwork!
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Great work, you are cracking through these, and I really like the colour palette you are using.
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They would work equally well for the earlier period of the Buccaneers.
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Oh, I am such a bad man... :o
But...
Be careful one of those pirates doesn't milk that maid!
lol
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Beautiful figures, these were from my 15mm game
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Nice little figures :)
What make are they?
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If you mean mine, they are all Peter Pig. It was for a participation game back in the mid/late 1990's
Not intended to take anything away from the original post, just similar period and basing.
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SDS ships? I think that was the name they were marketed under but not sure - associated with Peter Pig somehow.
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very nice Pirates indeed :-*
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Not intended to take anything away from the original post, just similar period and basing.
Not a problem :) the forum’s all about sharing the joy.
very nice Pirates indeed :-*
Thanks Tom :)
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Here's the next batch of miniscule buccaneers... 8)
I have to say it once again... As I'm working my way through increasing numbers of these, (I now have about 2,000 teeny tiny figures from across several of Pendraken's different ranges) I'm finding the marked variations in style and stature between the Pendraken ranges, really irritating. Sometimes even radical variations between different packs within the same range.
I assume that several different sculptors have been involved, and I appreciate that figures from 10 years ago may not be as good as figures sculpted recently (because sculptors improve with practice). And that no-one is ever meant to look at such tiny figures in close-up detail. And that working in such a tiny scale is difficult. But it's annoying the hell out of me that some of these figures are absolute, fully-rounded little gems - almost like top notch 28mm character figures miraculously shrunken down to this tiny scale. Yet others are incredibly sketchy, or almost flat, or just kinda crude.
Of course, no-one's going to notice these differences from more than two feet away, but it just offends my (usually mild) OCD lol
Anyway... Can't be helped. They are what they are, and I'm bound upon a course that cannot be altered, shipmates...
Let it go, let it go... ::)
Here's Captain Edgar Fondling's ruffianly crew...
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Here's a 3D printed wrecked barque which will be a nice little bit of table dressing, or possibly an objective of some kind.
Again, when you look closely you can see all the weird and hideous whorls from the 3D printing process. Especially on the deck planking. From tabletop distance, these more or less disappear to the eye. But I remain unconvinced about aspects of some 3D printed models.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-020525083751-660142353.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-020525084047-66015977.jpeg)
And with a figure for scale.
This 3D print is scaled for 10mm and really it's a bit small, because most of the figures are actually about 12mm tall, so a 15mm scaled print would have been better, but you live and learn :)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-020525084047-660162478.jpeg)
And finally, another longboat added - there will be a whole fleet of these.
As mentioned up above in the thread, the 15mm scaled 3D printed longboats work really well for carrying a party of figures. The 10mm scaled version - as you can see - is really way too small, given that I've got most of the figures on multiple bases. But they still make good set dressing as bum boats.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-020525084047-660171250.jpeg)
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10mm multi based pirates was never something I thought about before but looking at all these lovely minis and boats has me rather wanting to take a whack at it myself. And as others have said, absolutely inspiring painting at that scale, the detail is amazing.
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From Shakespeare's lesser known play, Scamlet: "The gentleman
lady doth protest too much, methinks". lol
Too much worry when you should be having so much fun. Or so say I.
Coming along quite nicely. Now, taking the lo---oong view, will you get to where I'm at and consider rebasing from multiples to singles for skirmish level games some years hence?! Doing that grows ever more tempting for my 15 mm collection. And 3D printing - buildings mostly but a few other bits as well - largely responsible for the temptation.
Are you perhaps going to try out a 15 mm ship or two, not sunken, to see how they work? Maybe someone you know has one you can compare to before spending your coinage?
Lovely work.
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Thanks :)
Yes, I've got some 15mm ships on the way. Most of the figures are 12mm-13mm tall in reality, so 15mm ships are actually a better match.
Interestingly, 10mm scale buildings seem to look absolutely right against the figures though, so who knows? ::)
Anyway, next up, some guns.
If you have a pirate port (or a port which is the target of pirates) you need some defenders. So as well as the assorted pirate crews, I'm also doing a few generic Hispanic government troops, starting with some guns and gunners. I will create some small ravelins in due course, where the defending guns will be sited overlooking the harbour.
Pictured are two island defence field guns - the smaller is a Pendraken ECW 'light gun', the larger a Malburian 6pdr. Also shown, a 9pdr SYW 'Fortress gun' with a pirate crew which I'll be using to supplement my pirate gunnery.
The crews are a mish-mash of different Pendraken ranges - ECW, League of Augsburg, Malburian, SYW and AWI!
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-040525131851-660281886.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-040525130902-660261512.jpeg)
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And just to demonstrate the actual diminutive size once again, here they are with a Bloody Miniatures artillerist for scale 8)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-040525130902-66025979.jpeg)
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Looking very good. :-* :-*
How many painted so far?
I wont ask how many to paint. :D
You made me order a few Peter Pig pirates to complement what i already have. ;D
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"Most of the figures are 12mm-13mm tall in reality" << interesting. I have a bunch of Pendraken Vietnam figures and they seem on the smaller side - and not just because of the prone and kneeling poses. I wish they were the larger size for painting purposes.
Nice addition with the guns.
Are you going to add some natives, either Caribbean or Polynesian to add to your scenario options? I have both in 15 mm, well figures I will use as both. The harder part is finding figures adaptable as non-warriors. And on that thought, how about some cattle for that famous battle - Morgan's raid on Panama? Writ small, of course, and in more ways than one.
One thing you can explore if you decide you want unarmed civilians is to get 6 mm figures to use as youths/kids. Though Pendraken probably already has that covered in their 10 mm ranges. I used some 10 mm figures for my 15 mm in such a way.
No idea if you can find a star fort in 10 mm though probably. Just get one with those little towers.
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Great additions.
Very interesting to see the comparison with the 28mm scale figure - I think because he is painted in much the same palette and style as the 10mmm ones. Or I simply never put my larger figures next to my many 10mm figures!
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Indeed, the comparison with Guliver is nice. Like the guns :-*
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when seen against a 28mm miniature (and I find those too small these days!) the effect is totally surreal.
And the quality of painting unnaturally good.
Incredible. o_o
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Spectacular work on those teeny figures.
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Awesome Richard, in every way except for the size!
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Awesome Richard, in every way except for the size!
Size clearly doesn't matter!
Very nicely coloured in. ;D
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Thanks very much guys :)
Next up it's some government dragoons, ready to ride down the piratical scum of the seas as soon as they set foot on the verdant shores of Puerto Caramba.
These are actually drawn from the two Pendraken League of Augsburg mounted personality packs - 14 different teeny tiny flamboyant characters on horseback, and probably the best of the Pendraken figures I've painted so far. Quite a pleasant change from the usual packs of 50 figures in 3 or 4 poses! (I do appreciate I'm not really the target market and that they're configured for big battles not skirmish games lol) Anyway... They're rather nifty. I like them a lot.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-080525170706-660302488.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-080525170706-6604971.jpeg)
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And just for the avoidance of doubt as to their Lilliputian size, shown here with a 28mm Bloody Miniatures ECW mounted personality...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-080525170707-660511937.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-080525170707-6605276.jpeg)
Are you going to add some natives, either Caribbean or Polynesian to add to your scenario options?
I've looked. Can't find anything remotely suitable in Pendraken's catalogue. They have like one pack of Zulus and one or two of Aztecs. Not much cop for what I want. I even looked at Picts and ancient Libyans - again, nothing that will pass muster as hostile native islanders. So may just have to forgo that one :)
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Another lovely group. :-*
Newline Designs also have 10mm ranges and they have zulus. Saddly no pictures but if they are like the 20mm designs they are very nice. You just need to confirm if the size is compatible.
https://newlinedesigns.co.uk/product-category/newline-designs-10mm-ranges/zulu-wars/
For your artillery do check Peter Pig pirates range, the light guns. They seem small even for Peter Pig figures and they may suit the 10mm. If you want i can take a photo close to a 15mm figure.
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These are absolutely wonderful - your painting lends so much character to such little figures.
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The Dragoons are wonderful. :)
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Re: no natives. That is such a travesty I've taken it upon myself to send Pendraken a message about rectifying the situation. Have no idea what will result but who knows. And I pasted in a link to this thread so maybe that will help.
Understand why you like the horses - and nice job on them, when I painted my generals for my SYW 10 mm army I felt the same way - though I used the figures from OG25s. Hmm, maybe something there will work for natives...nope, nothing stands out, and few photos. Probably too small to match with your figures anyway.
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Fantastic Dragoons.
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Absolutely fantastic work on these, the assortment of figures from the different ranges have come together great.
I've looked. Can't find anything remotely suitable in Pendraken's catalogue. They have like one pack of Zulus and one or two of Aztecs. Not much cop for what I want. I even looked at Picts and ancient Libyans - again, nothing that will pass muster as hostile native islanders. So may just have to forgo that one :)
What kind of look/dress are you after? We might have something hiding in there somewhere.
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Absolutely fantastic work on these, the assortment of figures from the different ranges have come together great.
What kind of look/dress are you after? We might have something hiding in there somewhere.
Thanks Leon - glad you like them :)
I guess the closest thing for (entirely fictional) ‘Golden Age of Piracy’ type natives would be Darkest Africa style tribesmen with spears and shields and possibly bows. The pirates beloved of the movies, historically ranged widely between the Caribbean and West Africa, so actually South Seas islanders or East Indies headhunters etc wouldn’t really fit the genre. Although South / Central American jungle tribal types like the Tupi would also work well :)
For your artillery do check Peter Pig pirates range, the light guns. They seem small even for Peter Pig figures and they may suit the 10mm. If you want i can take a photo close to a 15mm figure.
Obrigado Rui :)
I shall take a look at those. Thank you for the suggestion.
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What a great little project! Small scale skirmishes look almost as good as 28mm ones but are easier to make and requier lesser space.
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What a great little project! Small scale skirmishes look almost as good as 28mm ones but are easier to make and requier lesser space.
Thank you :)
Yes, the ability to do a whole pirate port on a single 600mm.sq. styrofoam slab, and a second slab with a turquoise tropical sea and a couple of palm-fringed white-sand islands is very much the appeal.
I already have a sizeable 28mm pirate collection - this is really just an opportunity to create some dioramic scenery in an easy-to-store and easy-to-transport scale.
Speaking of which, I've sourced the buildings for Puerto Caramba, and here they are.
These are all 10mm scale buildings which work well with the 10mm figures. Interestingly, the 10mm boats and ships don't look quite big enough, so I'm doing all those in 15mm, but the buildings look perfectly in scale with the figures.
Unsurprising really, because most of the buildings are from Pendraken's own Peninsular War scenery range which I picked up at Salute. These are simple but solid little resin lumps with a pleasingly economical amount of detail, but should paint up very easily and will serve well enough for a Caribbean pirate town. They're very cleanly cast and remarkably inexpensive - the smaller buildings and outhouses are 4.00 GBP each, and the larger ones, up to and including the church, only 6.00 - 8.00 GBP.
The two more, er.. baroque buildings at the front are 3D printed, so don't quite fit in style wise - but they will once painted and all positioned together in their shared scenic setting. These cost about 12.00 GBP each, so the entire town has cost about £75 8) Another advantage of doing stuff in very small scales!
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-100525164955-660532403.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-100525164955-66057969.jpeg)
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The 3D printed buildings are incredibly well detailed, including full interiors.
Unfortunately I probably won't take advantage of these, because I don't really plan in-building fighting in this tiny scale. (Especially since you won't be able to get into any of the other solid resin buildings). So I'll probably just glue them together.
I will say that there's been a little bit of warping of roofs and timber supports here and there, so they don't fit together quite as perfectly as they should. But a few moments with a hot air gun ought to fix that, and it's another reason to actually stick them together permanently. Because there are a lot of fiddly little bits :)
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Good set of buildings - I have the Pendraken Peninsular ones and they paint up very nicely and quickly - so very much looking forward to seeing these in situ.
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I have that very building with the wrap around porch in 15 mm, it just shouted "Pirates" at me when I saw it - and you are right about many parts. Even in 15 mm I am likely to glue my buildings together rather than try to use the interiors. Not entirely decided because some 3D buildings have seriously nice interior detailing. At the very least, I will do some painting of the interiors before glueing to improve their look once assembled. But those without interior detailing, glued together for sure, but still painting the interiors of the 3D prints.
And, in case you are unaware, there is a special plastics two-part epoxy that, so far, has worked great for 3D prints. It is from JB Weld and unlike some of their other epoxies it does NOT change color when mixed. I find it at local hardware store here in USA.
Now, for some serious temptation, a governor's mansion from Tabletop Terrain - but you will need to make a special request to have printed in 10 mm (if he is willing):
(https://tabletopterrain.com/cdn/shop/files/tabletop-terrain-building-spanish-mansion-old-wild-western-rush-41782399074531.png?v=1720487454&width=1214)
I have it in 15 mm and it is gorgeous - and large and filled with interior detailing. (Great for Zorro games, too - if only I could find appropriate figures in 15 mm!)
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That's a really nice collection of buildings
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Wow! Love that mansion!! :-*
Mike Demana
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Thanks Mike :)
Here's the next lift of miniscule pirates, and another pooch lol
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Almost up to about 100 or so now - just a couple of thousand to go ;)
Progress also on the pirate town board (there will be a desert islands board and some open sea boards, but the town is where I'm expecting a lot of the action to take place).
First up, the buildings are now painted.
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(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-240525201125-661861639.jpeg)
For the boards, I'm using 40mm thick styrofoam slabs (600mm x 600mm square) for sea level, and then raised land areas are carved from 10mm thick styrofoam - so here you can see the shape of the promontory.
There's a further rise of 10mm in one corner because I want to hermitage to sit on a small hill slightly away from the town - that's just a carved scrap of blue foam and some aerated wall filler.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-240525201125-661871228.jpeg)
You can see the position of the buildings are marked out - they will sit in allotted places because they need to sit on a smooth surface, whilst the rest of the ground surface around the buildings and along the harbourside will be textured in various ways...
The harbour walls are cut from strips of Wills embossed sheets, capped with an Evergreen strip styrene 90 degree angle bead (4mm).
The stone jetties are cut from an old piece of embossed styrofoam sheet.
The mooring stanchions are fancy-topped cocktail sticks shoved down into the styrofoam :D
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-240525201126-661882371.jpeg)
Here's a close-up of the hermitage hillock...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-240525201126-661891287.jpeg)
Here are the buildings in situ looking from the sea towards the harbour wall...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-240525201534-661901865.jpeg)
And here's the set-up with some (unassembled) 3D printed ships (15mm scale, which work much better with the Pendraken figures than 10mm scale - although the buildings are 10mm scale. Go figure lol).
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-240525201534-66191562.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-240525201534-661921334.jpeg)
Next up - groundwork begins... :)
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Looks great! ....and with home brew in the background even better lol lol
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Absolutely splendid project. Figures are great. And the harbour is going to look wonderful. Really enjoying this project.
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That is going to be an amazing town...! :o :-*
Mike Demana
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Looking very good. :-* :-*
May i ask from whom are the 3d ships ?
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buildings look lovely.
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buildings look lovely.
Thanks :)
Looking very good. :-* :-*
May i ask from whom are the 3d ships ?
The are by Printable Scenery. I got these ones from a printer / retailer on eBay in the UK called CNC. The quality of their prints is better than another 3D print company I used recently. But their customer service is a bit patchy. I’m still waiting for them to send me some masts that they didn’t include when they sent the ships - which was about two weeks ago ::)
By the way, you were right about the Peter Pig 15mm light guns, Rui. They are a perfect fit with the Pendraken 10mm figures. Thank you for the tip :)
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If you want 6 i can send you. I wont use them.
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Amazing progress
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What a great thread! I’m not really into the small stuff but really loving these! Love those little rowboats
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very nice progress :-* :-* :-*
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Thanks all :)
If you want 6 i can send you. I wont use them.
Thank you Rui. That's very kind of you. I have enough for now, but if I need more I'll let you know 8)
Next stage of groundworks...
First of all, I want to differentiate the harbour area and road leading up to the church, from the surrounding ground.
So I'm using a fine model railway grit or talus along the harbour front, which should bed down to for something resembling a cobbled / metalled surface.
And then a fairly fine sand mix over the rest of the ground.
Here you can see the first test application of these two different textures... Just sprinkled onto PVA.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-270525120226-662162496.jpeg)
Once the surface textures are stuck and the excess has been shaken off, I've then drenched the harbourside 'cobbles' with thinned PVA to seal and fix immovably them into position...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-270525120226-66224833.jpeg)
I've also made some simple gun emplacements for the defensive cannon.
I decided not to build these into the terrain itself, but to make them movable, so I can include them (or not!)
Here's the basis of it... Coffee stirrer planking on a plastic card base, a scrap of blue foam, and cocktail sticks - high end modelling materials lol
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-270525120226-662222004.jpeg)
Next, I've applied some 'gloop' (sand / grit / PVA / paint mix) to shape the surface of the hillock on which the hermitage will stand... And then sprinkled this with sand while still wet.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-270525120226-662231973.jpeg)
Now adding more road surface - you can see the difference between the hardened, PVA-sealed surfacing along the harbour front, and the newly applied area...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-270525120226-662252428.jpeg)
Once the excess is shaken off, the newly laid road area gets a PVA drenching to fix it too...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-270525120616-662261404.jpeg)
Here's the fully sealed road surface.
I also found some sections of MDF picket fence in the bits box (28mm sized) which I'm going to use somehow as timber pontoons along the foot of the harbour wall...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-270525120616-662271215.jpeg)
Then I've applied sand to all the rest of the open ground areas - taking care to leave the spaces for the buildings un-sanded, so that they sit down flat!
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-270525120616-662281283.jpeg)
And here's the sanded, gritted groundwork with the buildings in situ...
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Next steps - by far the most enjoyable and interesting bit for me - is painting all the land and sea surface and adding scrub, tufts etc. :)
Watch this space.
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That is going to look most splendid!
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I really like the variation in the ground work- it looks excellent.
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Looking fantastic
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very nice indeed :-*
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Great stuff - the terrain board already would work for a sandy area!
I do like the weathering you have added to the buildings too
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It will be beautiful! :-*
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8)
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buildings look great, looking forward to seeing this finished...
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Thanks guys :)
Great stuff - the terrain board already would work for a sandy area!
Thanks Fred. Yes, the sand does look pretty good au natrel, but I like to paint it all to provide a consistent, finished feel - and to seal everything in place :)
So here's the ground painted with a medium sand colour emulsion, lightly drybrushed with a pale sand shade.
And I've then started adding some ultra thinned raw umber oil paint wash to the grit-surfaced areas...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-280525143825-66256966.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-280525143825-662571765.jpeg)
Then a burnt umber wash with very thinned oils over everything, along with a few dabs of dirty mossy green wash in places along the harbourside and jetties... The effect is quite transformational on the stonework :)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-280525143552-66236390.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-280525143552-662522051.jpeg)
Next, it's painting the ridiculously blue Caribbean Sea - yes, I've looked at a lot of photos and it really is that vivid (well, at least once the images have been photoshopped by the tourist board ;))
This is wet blended as I go - you can see the paint is wet - working off a palette, and mainly using Vallejo Blue-Green, but blending in touches of Iraqi Sand, Khaki, Black etc, in very small areas here and there to suggest shallower water or areas of sandbank or weed under the surface...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-280525143552-662541462.jpeg)
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And here it is when dry...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-280525143553-662551535.jpeg)
Three layers of high gloss yacht varnish across the sea surface will a/ toughen it for game play, b/ deaden the blue down a bit and make it slightly greener, and c/ pick up on the minute dimples in the surface of the styrofoam to look like a gently rippled water surface.
Like this...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-280525143825-662582392.jpeg)
You can see I've also painted and added the run of timber pontoons along the harbour wall, and also started adding some sparse scrub and tufts...
Next up, the finished product! 8)
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That terrain board looks really good.
I admit to being a bit stymied by the 'wooden pontoons' along the sea wall. Curious to see how they come out in the finished product.
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the turn around on this is annoying... stop it...
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You nailed that Caribbean Blue, blue sea! Love the way it turned out. I've been there a number of times, and yes, it is that blue. At least when the sun is shining... :D
Mike Demana
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It looks great. :-* :-*
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Water looks great while painting method sounds rather simple! :o
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crikey, that's looking fantastic :-*
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I admit to being a bit stymied by the 'wooden pontoons' along the sea wall.
Why?
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I really like this land, it's really superb ;)
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Thanks all :)
the turn around on this is annoying... stop it...
lol it's naked self-interest. I've had several false starts with this project over the last 10 years. Now I've got the bit between my teeth, I know I have to push hard to get it to a gameable stage now, before my attention wanders off again onto something else. And the whole project goes back into languishing on the back burner for several more years ;D
Anyway, here we go - the first terrain tile, Puerto Caramba, is finished. With and without the separate defensive gun positions...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-290525105746-662921164.jpeg)
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(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-290525105746-66293727.jpeg)
The trees are just a selection of some of the smaller palms that I already had for my 28mm WW2 Western Desert boards. They have pins inserted up the trunk and simply spike straight into the foam wherever you want to put them :)
These new 10mm pirate boards will, incidentally, be completely compatible in terms of dimensions and finish with those 28mm desert boards. Should I need to create a hinterland for Puerto Caramba.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-290525105747-66295568.jpeg)
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I am still mulling adding some climbing foliage to a few of the buildings to give them a bit more character - but I've yet to find a suitable deep pink flock to mimic Bougainvillea, which is what i think it requires :)
And here complete with a horde of teeny tiny rapscallions hellbent on plunder! ;)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-290525110328-662972481.jpeg)
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Next up, I'm going to start on a second terrain tile which will be a couple of small desert islands set in an azure sea... Which will butt up to this first board.
Then some more teeny tiny figures. Probably defenders militia and regular infantry, plus several more pirate cannon teams and a couple more crews.
I really ought to make a start on assembling and painting the 3D printed ships. But with all the masts and spars and assorted bits and pieces, they look fiddly as f*ck, so I am putting that off to a later stage lol
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Wowsers it's a beauty
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This is annoyingly good to look at.
I am still mulling adding some climbing foliage to a few of the buildings to give them a bit more character - but I've yet to find a suitable deep pink flock to mimic Bougainvillea, which is what i think it requires :)
Just a thought but could you find anything looking for aquarium sand, they seem to come in all sorts of colours, though I don't know if it'd come in a suitable grade. Feel free to ignore this if you've already thought of it. :)
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looks lovely... I must admit if I was starting over, 15mm nowadays is such a quality product, you can get so much more on a stable now....
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outstanding and then some ... :-*
and good grief, I'd feel like trying to dive in that 'water', it's so well done.
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Thanks :)
looks lovely... I must admit if I was starting over, 15mm nowadays is such a quality product, you can get so much more on a stable now....
Indeed. These are actually 10mm, so even more so! lol
Just a thought but could you find anything looking for aquarium sand, they seem to come in all sorts of colours, though I don't know if it'd come in a suitable grade. Feel free to ignore this if you've already thought of it. :)
Thanks for the suggestion. Not sure sand would be quite the right texture to represent flowers, but guess it might work :)
I can find several people selling flowering tufts in a deep dark pink, but having difficulty finding anyone selling just the flock on its own ::)
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Found https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/364736339960?_skw=woodland+scenics+flowers&itmmeta=01JWE1FMB34M34YDDG677W6B8W&hash=item54ebfadff8:g:UEwAAOSw8exlzjvK&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA0FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1ecyXv0RG9ndHqNUcqOvMjWC6wKN2hJKWq0M9GQmtoXBZ%2F2TwUQuiczASiHSek1y2Bl9qrqM6ZAqGdULwOmUNb7ol2YSwn%2BKEkVYXH4ybrDadKlevzRHlBlAn%2Bf1GidOZa%2FCbMrbFP6Co2ZazdXSphpjzXGv4GKNl7YAWoeEc5XHHsh%2FbsStHY1R1Fi4U24pw29ON6l2vOYe7ileeZeWHmWOXWwqyCwAP9HsBSeu%2BLCnEwUzaSTuqQHAZ4wWPoAJUA%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-DFvsHjZQ
While looking for something else, would it do?
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Thank you :)
I must admit I had seen that one, but it looks almost a pale / salmon pink. Bougainvillea is a very distinctive deep pink verging on the purple. It’s very characteristic of hot climates, so that look is what I was hoping to capture. But it’s only a small detail :)
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@OSHIRO and Why? Don't have a recollection of such a construct except perhaps as part of an actual battle. It looks nice as modeled but I'm trying to reconcile the 'why' for it. And the only reason I can come up with is for the two piers to communicate with one another. But easy enough to do so on the land along the seawall. If it were a 'floating pier' of a more permanent nature than pontoons, then I'd see it as just more space for boats to tie up at. Or maybe it seems like a 'too modern' construct sent back in time, seen such floating pontoons - in metal, hollow rectangles - at contemporary marinas.. Feel free to disabuse me if it is a historical construct.
View of the finished boards looks really nice, the buildings blending in quite nicely with the terrain - and the red roofs and green of the palm trees give it that extra oomph. And the 'action' shots are great.
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I must admit I had seen that one, but it looks almost a pale / salmon pink. Bougainvillea is a very distinctive deep pink verging on the purple. It’s very characteristic of hot climates, so that look is what I was hoping to capture. But it’s only a small detail :)
I thought it might be too bright but there doesn't seem to be anything closer without making it yourself.
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Stunning stuff! I would love to play a game with your teeny pirates on this beautiful board... :-*
Mike Demana
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The table/harbour looks great. :-* :-*
Richard, Gamersgrass has tuffs in 2mm so they may suit the scale.
Also do check Greenstuffworld for their huge range of grass, tuffs and flowers.
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Amazing terrain tile! And it looks like a finished self-sufficient gaming board. :-*
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Superb! What a spectacle.
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Sail ho!
This looks formidable, Richard! :o :o :o
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Thanks gents.
Per rumacara's suggestion up above, I bought a couple of packs of the Peter Pig 15mm light guns (6 to a pack) - and they're a perfect fit with the 10mm Pendraken figures (in reality they're about 12mm). Thanks Rui :)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-010625133255-66329781.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-010625133255-66335545.jpeg)
So I now have pirate gun crews with three different styles of gun, L-to-R below: The Peter Pig 15mm light ship's gun, the 10mm Pendraken 9pdr. fortress gun, and the Silent Invader home sculpted and cast gun. Which makes up in simplicity and charm what it lacks in detail compared to the other two. Thanks Steve :)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-010625133255-663361735.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-010625133255-663371944.jpeg)
I mean, honestly, from more than about 9 inches away in this miniscule scale, you won't really be able to see much detail anyway - although hopefully these bases will be identifiable as artillery from a little further away than that at tabletop distance lol
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They look great, and all the better for the variety of gun.
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A very fine set of artillery pieces. Beware of those who get too close! ;)
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The 3 look great and add variety. :-* :-*
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At the plant nursery this morning and saw bougainvillea and thought of this thread:
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Note the small white flowers, the actual flowers. The pink bits are bracts.
Of course, I know this from my deep botanical knowledge - or maybe I looked it up recently and discovered it! :D
Sometimes a bit lighter pink maybe.
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good stuff from this shop; my first stop for tufts etc, for some yrs now (the 'fuchsia bushes' being a favourite).
https://www.tajima1.co.uk/tajima1-shop
not sure they do anything right for Bougainvillea, but the 'strong pink' shade they offer looks fairly close in terms of colour.
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Thanks.
I shall give Tajima a try 8)
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This looks fantastic, I'm really impressed with this whole project.
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Thanks Leon 8)
Next terrain board is done...
It's basically the same process as the Puerto Caramba board, only a bit more straighforward...
A couple of shallow desert islands carved from 10mm blue styrofoam with the hot wire cutter and then sanded down...
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-200625155937-66438586.jpeg)
Seal the whole thing with a couple of coats of neat PVA, then once dry, apply PVA and sand to just the islands...
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-200625155937-66439797.jpeg)
Spray with primer (this is why you PVA the entire slab, sides and all, otherwise the spraypaint will melt holes in the styrofoam... ) This fixes any loose sand on the islands.
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-200625155937-664402169.jpeg)
Paint the islands with a sand colour, drybrush with a lighter sand colour, then give them an ultra thinned oil wash of burnt umber, to pick out some of the surface texture a bit more...
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-200625155937-664411275.jpeg)
Paint in the sea, varying the shades slightly to show more sandy banks near the shoreline, and wet blending in a few stippled darker patches to suggest weed or rocks beneath the surface.
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-200625155937-66442953.jpeg)
Three coats of high gloss yacht varnish to pick up the infinitesimally dimpled surface of the main styrofoam slab, suggesting wind rippling the surface of the water...
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-200625160047.jpeg)
Add a few scattered tufts and some scrub on the inland centres of the islands - keeping vegetation away from the beach. Then spike in some palm trees.
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-200625155721-66405224.jpeg)
And there you have it... 10mm pirate heaven lol (Or haven perhaps).
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Burying the treasure - yarrrr! ;)
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Looking excelent. :-* :-*
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Ace!
Blood's Caribbean Tours?
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Looks lovely, especially during such a hot and sticky week... lol
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Exceptional
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Nice board - with nice islands. And clearly it is high tide.
Hot and sticky? Well, we here in California, for the moment at least, are getting a bit of a break. Which may seem strange when I say upper 80s to mid-90s F, but this time of year it can regularly be over 100 F. We've had a wonderfully mild spring and summer is off to a decent start. Not all roses, very low humidity and north winds and dry fuel mean high fire danger. So far, so good.
On the tail end of a massive sort of the last few years of acquiring 3D buildings and terrain bits and put all the pirate stuff together. And assembled all the flora stuff for making jungles (and kopjes for Africa, too). If all holds steady, will have much more time to focus on hobby projects for the latter half of the year. Until the wife gets some idea in her head! :o. Pirates is in the mix fighting for, probably, second position.
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Very cool looking board.
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Just found this thread...only took me 12 years lol
Bloody lovely Richard :-*
The painting is sickeningly good...(as always) and the terrain is gorgeous
I don't another project.... ever.... but you've now got me looking at 10mm ranges that i probably won't be able to see let alone paint lol
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Haha. Thanks Matt. Go on… You know you want to ;)
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Next up, a unit of Spanish colonial troops to help defend Puerto Caramba against the ravages of the perfidious English corsairs, plus a few more random civilians to wander the streets.
These figures are drawn from across Pendraken's many ranges, from the ECW to the Peninsular War. In this scale, I don't think anyone's really going to notice. The overall effect works for me :)
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The first pirate sloop is nearing completion, so that'll be the next item up...
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Delightful!
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You did a fantastic job. The poor Spanish need some cannon to counter those English pirates.
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Great stuff, the soldiers all look like there are from the LoA range - its the civilians who come from a nominal couple of hundred years of history, but if you hadn't mentioned it I doubt anyone could tell.
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Nice start on the spanish troops. :-* :-*
Of course you will need muchmore than those to deal with those pirate rascals. ;D
Love the civilians. :-* :-*
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Most excellent!
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Spanish colonials look good. Which flag did you use, please?
Also, doing a review of the thread I noted the three ships in white in the first post about your town and the color suggests 3D prints. What was the source for those ships?
Thanks!
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Delightful.
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They look ok. :)
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They look ok. :)
Gee thanks lol
When are you starting to paint yours? ;)
Spanish colonials look good. Which flag did you use, please?
Also, doing a review of the thread I noted the three ships in white in the first post about your town and the color suggests 3D prints. What was the source for those ships?
Thanks
The flag is an entirely fanciful hand painted concoction of my own, reflecting the red and light blue trim I’ve used on the uniforms. Not at all historically accurate :)
The ships are from a company called Printable Scenery. There’s quite a range of them. I’m sure you can find a local 3D print shop who will sell them to you if, like me, you have zero interest in becoming a 3D printer nerd in person. All I would say is, that having recently bought a few 3D printed items from a couple of different printing companies here in the UK, the quality of the printing (even the printing of the same files from the same originator) varies WIDELY, depending on the quality of the 3D printers they’re using, and the medium they’re printing with. So choose carefully!
https://www.printablescenery.com/product-category/historic/historic-ships-and-pirates/page/2/ (https://www.printablescenery.com/product-category/historic/historic-ships-and-pirates/page/2/)
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Gee thanks lol
When are you starting to paint yours? ;)
Never! I can't see them! lol
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Never! I can't see them! lol
Poor old boy lol
Right then, here is the first saucy vessel for my 10mm pirates, shipmates... Arrr, she has sweet lines, and ye may lay to that.
It's a Printable Scenery 3D printed model ('the sloop', which is the second smallest vessel in the Printable Scenery pirate ship range, apart from 'the skiff', which I also have). I've added 0.8mm elastic rigging to the masts and spars.
It is quite a nice model, but fiddly as f*ck to put together. And comes with no instructions. You just have to work out what goes where from the pictures on the Printable Scenery website.
I've got quite a few 28mm pirate ships, and I didn't bother rigging them because they're just too big to store with all the masts and spars and rigging set in place.
But these ships are probably small enough to store intact in Really Useful Boxes. It's obviously always a compromise between playability and the ability to move figures and guns around on the deck, versus how much you include by way of masts, rigging, sails, and so on. I've decided to compromise with these small scale models and include the rigging but forget the sails - which is of course mental, because the sails are what makes the ship move - but never mind. It looks reasonably ship-like like this, which is as much as can be expected. If I started adding full or furled sails as well, it all just gets too cluttered.
This is a 15mm scale print, which as you can see works very well with the 10MM (really about 12mm) sized figures. You can fit a lot of the little blighters aboard lol
The ship's guns are the 15mm scale Peter Pig pirate 'light guns'. The pennon, anchor chain etc. are my own additions.
Looks like I've overtightened the elastic connecting the mast to the bowsprit, which is why it's bowing slightly - I need to loosen that off a bit ::)
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-260625145954-665131808.jpeg)
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That's outstanding!
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That, Richard is so awesome it tempts me to have a go. :-*
Strike that: almost tempts me :D
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Cap'n - now I know why that flag mystified me. Love that you used the uniform colors to match to the flag - looks 'genuine' enough for me.
And nice ship. Like the fourth picture - just about worthy of a calendar. Those shots with the 'real' greenery give a nice 'out in the jungle' look to things.
I guess I've had better luck with 3D printing companies than you - at least for gaming stuff, model railroad 3D printers are different, not so much quality as in nearly zero attempt to remove supports on most items and charging a ridiculous premium. Stateside so might not work for you, but I've had exemplary service from Tabletop Terrain. Others I've used are Dungeon Artifacts, Dungeon Torch (apparently on holiday for the summer), and Centrion Studios - all of which have good product.
On the direction issue, I've gotten exactly ONE piece with any sort of directions, a set of market stalls with inserts for the table tops. And I've ordered quite a lot of different 3D items. Including just recently ordering - and thanks to your inspiration in large part - what should be the last of my pirate stuff, some more buildings, a couple more wrecked ships, and three very cool pirate hideaways:
(https://www.dungeonartifacts.com/cdn/shop/files/mainIslandMMF1_1024x1024@2x.jpg?v=1726705386)
There are two more, at this link:
https://www.dungeonartifacts.com/products/pirates-hideaway-main-island-1-tortuga-bay-dark-realms-terrain-wargaming-d-d-dnd?_pos=1&_sid=86b2b7286&_ss=r&variant=49665751482679 (https://www.dungeonartifacts.com/products/pirates-hideaway-main-island-1-tortuga-bay-dark-realms-terrain-wargaming-d-d-dnd?_pos=1&_sid=86b2b7286&_ss=r&variant=49665751482679)
Of course, you will need to verify they are willing to print at 10 mm. If Dungeon Artifact is not willing, try contacting Centrion Studios. Or maybe someone on your side of the pond if you can find the stl file.
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That's outstanding!
It is indeed!
Really liking how this setup is developing, the figures were cool, then the island and town, now the ships!!
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Thanks all.
Yes, those Tortuga Bay pieces are delightful - although perhaps a whisker too fantasy style for my particular taste ;)
Here's the next pirate vessel - a two masted skiff, and also shown alongside the sloop for a size comparison.
Again, 3D printed from the Printable Scenery range, although I've used plastic rod for two masts because the 3D printed versions supplied were too short and covered in lumps and bumps. Pretty poor.
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-010725180929-665821564.jpeg)
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Looks just really cool! 8)
Christopher
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Stunning project. Every time I see a picture of your water and terrain boards, I think, "I wanna plaaayyy!!" :D
Mike Demana
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Looking very good. :-* :-*
I think both ships look nice for 10mm but the sloop looks slightly better.
A good choice of models.
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I'll have to post up photos of the Tortuga Bay items I ordered once received - see if they still look too fantasy for you. I do expect any palm trees to be broken, every 15 mm 3D item I've ordered with palm trees, from any supplier, have arrived broken - I'm sure a factor of being designed for a larger scale and getting too fragile when downsizing. No matter, I have a copious amount of painted palm trees and an additional supply of unpainted.
I was considering adding those same ships to my collection while on sale but sale ended so probably not, more likely to go with the four ships in the Blue Moon 15 mm pirate range. I think the Bluemoon are probably a bit easier to work with though still needing effort for the masts and rigging. Certainly a lot less expensive with Blue Moon at under $90 for four ships (with Army Card discount) versus about $350 for the 3D prints (but six ships) off sale.
Yours look really good. And I agree, looks like a great board to play on.
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think I would have liked to have seen the odd (furled) sail here and there on the models ... but a bit of an invidious comment really, as it all looks fantastic :-*
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I do expect any palm trees to be broken, every 15 mm 3D item I've ordered with palm trees, from any supplier, have arrived broken - I'm sure a factor of being designed for a larger scale and getting too fragile when downsizing.
don't order 3d printed palm trees, get the plastic ones that are dirt cheap
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anvilgiraffe, for clarification, the palm trees that broke were integral parts of 3D buildings/complexes not stand alone trees and, as stated, always break in 15 mm within my experience, just too fragile. But, as I said, I have plenty of palm trees - almost all plastic and most painted, to replace the broken ones. So, I'm good. As to numbers of palms, must be 150 - 200+ but never really counted them all so not certain, have pirate, desert, 'fantasy' that I will use for jungle and maybe even ice age types, etc., and more. The important trick with plastic palm trees is to A. paint them and B. matte coat them. Digits here on LAF did a great job using lichen to add flowers to some he made. For painting, I just use either flat or satin rattle can paint - camouflage paints work well since they are flats.
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Excellent!
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very nice
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Thanks all :)
think I would have liked to have seen the odd (furled) sail here and there on the models ... but a bit of an invidious comment really, as it all looks fantastic :-*
Aye, tis tricky, shipmate, and ye may lay to that ;)
I considered adding furled sails made from tissue soaked in PVA. I could have done it easily enough, but the more you add, the harder it becomes to get to the decks to move the figures around - and in this teeny tiny scale that's even more difficult than in 28mm, so - it's a compromise :)
I've now finished the small single-masted skiff, which I think we're going to term 'the ketch'. Here it is with its big brothers.
This was supposed to be it for the shipping, but I've succumbed and ordered the barque, which is a little larger than the sloop o_o
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-090725140028-666501770.jpeg)
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/66/577-090725140028-666702109.jpeg)
I've also started making a few 'wavering' markers specifically for this game, consisting of piles of dead pirates. I'm sure Pendraken do suitable dead figures, but I've adopted the simple expedient of cutting the bases off viable looking figures and hitting them with a hammer under some tissue paper ;)
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Meanwhile, I've played three test games against a couple of different pals, and so far the score is defenders 2 : pirates 1
We're using 'The Pikeman's Lament', with a few very minor house variations and additional rules for boat movement and sinking!
Here are a few snatched in-game shots snapped on the phone camera (hence variable quality! :()
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Great stuff, the game looks fab-u-lous :-*
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It's a beauty
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Very nice to see in a game. :D
And, yes, I'm taking credit - deserved or not! - for 'cut the figures from bases and smash them with a hammer' dead since I've been promoting that here on LAF the last year or three, though mostly for animals, works for people, too, especially when the figure supply is excess of need. :o
Like the dude with the wheelbarrow but missed seeing more of your civilians roaming about. Maybe there and just camera shy. (oh, duh, just looked again and spied the 'ladies' on the end of the pier. Captives?)
Nice piece of scatter terrain on the one pier - you need more though. Those pirates need the cover to approach those gun positions methinks.
So, I'm guessing you've judged the effort worth it. And now you have a highly portable, relatively, game to take to shows. Matters as our hair transits into other colors through the forces of nature.
And you're terrain - along with the 'ancient' Gary Chalk pirate town - have inspired me to do some serious rework on my pirate town and I've ordered in a bunch of additional 3D buildings in 15 mm. I'll be going a bit more vertical with my scenery than you though.
Please keep on sharing photos of your games. They are fun - and inspiring.
PS: I caved and ordered four 3D printed ships, from a different and more affordable source. And included the Galleon which will be a treasure ship and likely the focus of a few games.
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Those in game shots look ace! The lovely blue sea really sets everything off.
The wavering markers are the most colourful 'dead' markers I think I have seen. But the production method
"hitting them with a hammer under some tissue paper "
Made me wince for the poor little metal chaps - effective as it has been ;)
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Great stuff, the game looks fab-u-lous :-*
Absolutely :-*
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Those game photos look incredible. I did have to laugh at the hitting figs with a hammer (suitably protected by tissue paper)... :D
I understand why, but it just sounds humorous as if you're sparing watchers from the violence... lol
Mike Demana
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Great pics all around.
For Pikeman Lament are you still using 12 figure units, so 3 to 4 bases is a unit? Just curious.
Thanks
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outstanding :-*
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Thank guys :)
Great pics all around.
For Pikeman Lament are you still using 12 figure units, so 3 to 4 bases is a unit? Just curious.
Thanks
Yes, 12 figure and 6 figure units.
12 figure units have three bases with three figures, one base with two, and one base with one, allowing for removal of figures.
6 figure units have one base with three figures, one base with two, and one base with one.
The guns have six crew, although I've modelled them with just three figures, so we're using a micro dice to mark how many figures are left as the crews start to take casualties.
The pirates are currently configured as:
Crew: 12 figure Shot units
Landing party: 6 figure Forlorn Hope
Boarding party: 6 figure Aggressive (non-shooty) Forlorn Hope
There's probably a case for making some of the pirates Commanded Shot too - much more fragile, but faster scampering :)
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Questions for Captain Blood relating to the Printable Scenery ships and their assembly. As you say, fiddly and not even the shadow of instructions that I can find (though a video on line about rigging that seems a bit over much but we'll see).
I now have four of the Printable Scenery ships - bought from a vendor, Tabletop Terrain: galleon, frigate, sloop, and brig. That galleon had so many parts it gave me a fright until I realized that 24 of the pieces are for guns pointing out of open ports and another 24 are for modeling those same gun ports as closed (whew!). On the up side, the models are really very cleanly printed with minimal need for clean up prior to assembly.
So, despite lack of directions, any tips and tricks you discovered in the process of assembly, especially the masts and spars and the associated parts (and size of dowel you used if you recall?)? And just general pointers you feel would be helpful in the process?
Thanks for any assistance you can render from afar. Might be useful to others as well. They are some Very Nice models.
PS: also ordered two more wrecks that come in 29 and 38 pieces each! Yikes. On their way to me as I type. Already had the same wreck as seen on page 7 of this thread, in only two pieces.
Hold the presses, just found this image:
(https://www.printablescenery.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Galleon-Rigging.jpg)
On the actual Printable Scenery site along with photo parts list - except for the mast and spar bits, should help some. Questions still stand, however.
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Questions for Captain Blood relating to the Printable Scenery ships and their assembly. As you say, fiddly and not even the shadow of instructions that I can find (though a video on line about rigging that seems a bit over much but we'll see).
So, despite lack of directions, any tips and tricks you discovered in the process of assembly, especially the masts and spars and the associated parts (and size of dowel you used if you recall?)? And just general pointers you feel would be helpful in the process?
Thanks for any assistance you can render from afar. Might be useful to others as well. T
I feel your pain.
Nice models (assuming you can get them printed to a high standard) - but a shocking absence of instructions, and plethora of teeny tiny components (some of which were missing on my first couple of ships, because the print company had missed them / dropped them on the floor during packing / who knows). Not a great experience.
You just have to work off the (not very good and not very comprehensive) photos of the completed models on the Printable Scenery website, and try to figure out for yourself what goes where. It ain't easy.
The rigging demo video is quite useful though. Per their recommendation, I used elastic for some of it, and just black thread for other parts.
I didn't use dowel for the masts. My models all came with printed masts (eventually in some cases, as they also got missed off by the printer too in a couple of cases ::)).
The 3D printing on the masts was very poor though - notchy and bobbly.
In the end, I bought a pack of Evergreen Scale Models styrene rod (2.5mm) which works perfectly. Although you do have to drill the holes to a slightly larger size on the shackles that run up and down the masts...
Yes, the two part cannons present as a terrifying number of components.
I haven't used them because the two halves just don't align properly. This might work in 28mm where you can see enough to clean up the bad join between the two halves, but in 15mm, and in the intractable and unforgiving hard 3D print medium, this is just too difficult. So I've replaced all the ships' guns with Peter Pig 15mm 'light' pirate guns...
As it happens, I've just received a print of the Brig...
As you can see, it's about the same length as the sloop but rather wider in the beam, and with a terrifying number of bits and pieces for the masts and rigging fittings. So God knows how complicated the bigger ships must look :o
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Anyway...
In other news, I realised that what I was missing in my teeny tiny pirate crews was a gang of angry Cornishmen, so I've rectified that...
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In the test games I've played so far, some landing party or other has always managed to get forced back into the briny lol - So I have now brutally chopped some tiny unfortunates in half, and created a 'Help, we're in the drink!' marker.
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And finally, three more individual teeny tiny characters... Just to show the eclectic nature of this little collection, that's an AWI civilian carrying a wheatsheaf, an ECW gunner opening a box (now serving as a pirate with a treasure chest), and a Peninsular War Spanish gentleman. The great thing in this scale, is that at more than six inches away, nobody is going to be able to tell >:D ;) lol
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Quite amazing work! :-*
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Loving the in the water figures!
And great work through the Pendraken catalogue to find all sorts of different civilian figures to use.
Which made me remember this one in the Indian mutiny range and one from the Sudan range - who might give some interesting figures?
https://www.pendraken.co.uk/colonial-1857-58-indian-mutiny-mutineers-19th-century-indian-civilians-mut24
https://www.pendraken.co.uk/colonial-1882-1885-sudan-egypt-arab-civilians-sc13
In deed a search for civilians in the web store works very nicely
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Everything is magnificent!!!
But the pirates taking a dip really are cute :D
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Everything is magnificent!!!
But the pirates taking a dip really are cute :D
Agreed they are fantastic :-*
but I think that you need also need a not-Captain of the Black Pearl asking "and where is all the rum?!"
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I, too, like the men in the water - a worthy 'sacrifice'. And maybe a use for the other halves somewhere? Think Wizard of Oz perhaps? In 15 mm we have the pack from Peter Pig of men in water in the Pirate range but some standing folk in shallow water sounds fun and I certainly have a surplus of figures! :D The lower halves in some barrels with legs up - maybe that can be the captain no longer needing to ask about rum as he is, literally, 'drowning' in the libation.
Thanks for the reply and the bit about plastic rod gives me an idea or two, I shall be exploring the local hobby shops for just such items and maybe some brass or other metal rod or tube, be a lot stronger than wood doweling I think.
Those linked additional civilians look useful - but what do you do with all the excess duplicate poses?! Maybe they come in smaller packs or perhaps you can work something out with Leon. Wondering if he released some suitable natives yet if you decide to go down that path.
The brig, my version, is not nearly so daunting as the larger vessels. When I get some time I'll try and photo all the parts to show what comes with each ship. A couple of one piece hulls, the frigate I think is three pieces and that galleon is about six pieces for the hull. Probably only use one of the five lanterns, maybe three, to minimize the fantasy look (flag ships apparently had three but most galleons just one on the stern). Use the spares as part of my fort likely.
Edit: Those photos now up here - https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=150048.msg1927471#msg1927471 (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=150048.msg1927471#msg1927471)
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great additions
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These look so awesome! Figs are great, and I love the "in the drink" markers with two figs... :D
Mike Demana
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"Beware the Angry Cornishmen ... "
Lovely new additions. Still trying to get my head 'round how these must look to the naked eye, and the quality in that respect. Amazing ...
I mean, this is how I'd like my 28s to look!
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Wow! What a great project and execution. :-*
I've been kinda out of circulation the last few months but have followed your project from afar.
It's threads like this that got me back to trying my hand at painting again.
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Thanks Ray. Welcome back 8)
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Great looking project :-* :-* :-*
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:) Cheers Colin
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Captain Blood, a question for you as I contemplate how many of my pirates to keep for game use: how many overall figures do you think you will stop at for your collection and maybe, if you will, a bit of a breakdown between pirates, troops, armed civilians, unarmed civilians, etc.? And, naturally, your collection may change and grow over time - or even shrink!
Thanks, sirrah!
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Captain Blood, a question for you as I contemplate how many of my pirates to keep for game use: how many overall figures do you think you will stop at for your collection and maybe, if you will, a bit of a breakdown between pirates, troops, armed civilians, unarmed civilians, etc.? And, naturally, your collection may change and grow over time - or even shrink!
Thanks, sirrah!
Hmmm... Well, at the moment I think I've done about 100 'pirate' figures, including a few guns and crews, plus about 15 civilians, plus a couple of units of troops / militia and six cavalrymen. I'll probably do another unit of cavalry, maybe one more of regular troops (redcoats!) and perhaps just a few more pirates. But I've pretty much got what I need now for the sort of bijou, small scale game I envisage :)
Just got to resist making more and more boards lol
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Thanks for the reply. Now, if only I can have such resistance and keep numbers relatively low - though likely at least double yours I'd guess.
More boards? I foresee an 'out at sea' board and perhaps a 'hidden reef' board for that wrecked ship. And that gives you a nice square gaming area of four boards. But only if you want to go that far. ;)
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After an over two month wait, I finally received my pirate hideaways (though other items shorted from my order! >:(). Here are a few shots showing you can use the buildings (and I think order just the buildings?) both on their stilts or not:
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On stilts.
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Off stilts.
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Possible to modify the islands and use without the buildings if desired - I'm thinking about doing that. Or not. This is one of three - and that is Indiana Jones as sculpted (or NOT him perhaps).
Can definitely make it so the stilts and separate buildings are removable from each island for versatility. Oh, and the tops of the rocks lift off to reveal inner 'sanctums' where loot might be hidden - nice touch.
The figures seen in any photos are a bunch of 15 mm figures I'm working on for pulp games, not close to being finished, just in process. I also have a huge number of already painted pirates waiting to get rebased too, probably, round individual bases.
Some more photos of the Hideaways here on my pirate blog: https://carobbeansea.blogspot.com (https://carobbeansea.blogspot.com)
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They look great! Good idea to keep them separate. Maybe put four small steel bases on the underside of the building, and matching rare earth magnets on the posts? Securing them will be the trick. I've done similar things and have the magnets rip off what I glued them to... lol
Mike Demana
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Yeah, rare earth magnets can be incredibly strong and thus destructive. Got me thinking, though; what is the thinnest possible velcro out there? Going to have to investigate.
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your contact point might be too small for velcro (and that usually requires a bit of flex to prise it apart...
you may just want to do with removable pins...
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No decision made yet but I'm starting to lean in, hard, on making the islands "wild" without the hideaways, perhaps even combining them into just one island. If I do that, no need to worry about small contact points but perhaps still going with velcro for the stilts versus not stilts for the shacks - or piles perhaps being the better term than stilts given the seaport setting.