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Author Topic: First shots of Perry Plastic Agincourt French.  (Read 8194 times)

Offline tomrommel1

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Re: First shots of Perry Plastic Agincourt French.
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2015, 07:36:41 AM »
These are so  :-* :-* :-* :-* have to get some for my GoT projects for next year ( more Starks and Boltons!)
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Offline Atheling

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Re: First shots of Perry Plastic Agincourt French.
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2015, 09:03:22 AM »
Great looking sprue - each plastic set seems to have had even more thought put into it, to get the maximum options out...
...and this doesn't include the knight sprue yet!

Yet more HYW games to come in 2016 it seems.

Funny you should say that, I've done some conversions using the 'Light Cavalry' box and some of the Mounted Sergeants from the Agincourt to Orleans range with The Battle of Bauge in mind.

Darrell.

Offline Gandalf the G

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Re: First shots of Perry Plastic Agincourt French.
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2015, 01:13:41 PM »
They look awesome!

Oh so very cool...  8)

I see they are sticking with their fondness for left handers with double handed weapons. Odd little quirk, but makes for some nice variety I guess. 

They have had a few left-handers, but these axemen seem right-handed to me. I don't know all that much about big axes, but I do know that the right hand was usually at the bottom of the shaft when using quarterstaff and halberd, for example.

Joachim Meyer is my source for this statement, btw.

Offline Atheling

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Re: First shots of Perry Plastic Agincourt French.
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2015, 03:33:51 PM »
From what I remember form Talhoffer the poleaxe (literally meaning head axe) could be used with ease in different fighting stances depending on what the desired end result of the blow or parry might be.

I'm of the mind that one would carry a pole arm into forward battle in a very natural stance.

Darrell.

Offline JollyBob

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Re: First shots of Perry Plastic Agincourt French.
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2015, 04:39:35 PM »
They look awesome!

They have had a few left-handers, but these axemen seem right-handed to me. I don't know all that much about big axes, but I do know that the right hand was usually at the bottom of the shaft when using quarterstaff and halberd, for example.

Joachim Meyer is my source for this statement, btw.

Yeah, anything approaching spear length would be carried that way, but a longsword, big axe or other simillarly sized weapon would normally have the right hand forward. At least, that's how we interpret it in our group.

I should say "lead" hand actually, its more comfortable to have your natural lead hand forward with a longsword, right or left, it doesn't make any odds to the way it works and all guards and movements are easily mirrored depending on your natural inclination.

And yes, Darrell is quite right, the grip and guards can be changed from moment to moment for fluidity and desired effect.

I'm not saying its wrong, by the way, it just strikes me as noticeable because I do it myself and all the two-handers are lefties to my eyes and that seems unusual amongst most comparable figures.

I dunno, not worth a second thought probably. Shut up, Bob!  lol

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Re: First shots of Perry Plastic Agincourt French.
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2015, 10:19:34 PM »
I dunno, not worth a second thought probably. Shut up, Bob!  lol

 lol

I'm actually with you, here, though - making a cutting/chopping blow with a two-handed tool/weapon is most comfortable with the 'lead' hand in front, because you use it to direct the blow, as well as for force, whereas stabbing is the other way around, as the favourite hand/arm is here used mainly to deliver force.

Try chopping wood with the off-hand in front for an example.
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Re: First shots of Perry Plastic Agincourt French.
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2015, 06:16:45 AM »
 :D Damn Bob... Now thats all I can see..


This seems to be a must, to get. They look absolutly awesome.

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Re: First shots of Perry Plastic Agincourt French.
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2015, 07:22:45 AM »
:-*

I am officially drooling with anticipation.

 :D

Haha, where is the difference to drooling inofficially?

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Offline Atheling

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Re: First shots of Perry Plastic Agincourt French.
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2015, 08:46:51 AM »
Agreed, a universal drool would me more appropriate  lol

Darrell.

Offline Ray Earle

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Re: First shots of Perry Plastic Agincourt French.
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2015, 09:03:00 AM »
Yup, looking forward to these.  :D
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Offline Vermis

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Re: First shots of Perry Plastic Agincourt French.
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2015, 02:40:24 PM »
Bootiful. Can't wait.

From what I remember form Talhoffer the poleaxe (literally meaning head axe)

So not because it's a blade on the end of a pole, then. lol Would the spelling 'pollaxe' be more appropriate these days? (Vote polling, livestock poll, polling/pollarding a tree, etc?)

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Re: First shots of Perry Plastic Agincourt French.
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2015, 04:50:07 PM »
Exactly so.
It was known at the time as a pollaxe: poll being a (now defunct) word for the head. As in Hamlet: 'All flaxen was his poll'.
In other words, it was an axe (plus beak and spike) specifically designed for smashing people's heads in.
Over time, the word became corrupted to poleaxe, because 'poll' went out of use as a word for the head, and it made more sense to later people that it means an axe on a shaft.
That's the ever shifting sands of the English language for you  :)

Offline Atheling

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Re: First shots of Perry Plastic Agincourt French.
« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2015, 04:51:40 PM »
Bootiful. Can't wait.

So not because it's a blade on the end of a pole, then.

Well, that's just it. It literally means head axe.  :)

Darrell.


Offline Charlie_

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Re: First shots of Perry Plastic Agincourt French.
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2016, 06:01:45 PM »
Ok, so it's 2016 now. When are these coming out???

My 15th century army project is needing lots more infantry with polearms, but I am putting off assembling more of the WOTR kits until I have this one to go with it, basically to give me more arm options. Those spear arms look great, will obviously be easy to convert into bills and halberds, and give some excellent new poses that the WOTR kits lack.

The two-handed axes will definitely be useful too, and the extra sword and crossbow arms are a bonus.

As for the bodies... I will no doubt mix several of them into the ranks of WOTR-era troops, but I will have to be very careful how I do it. One way to blend them in is through using WOTR-era arms and heads, but as these don't have the ball-and-socket heads, it might require some green stuffing. Also, alot of these have mail coifs. Were mail coifs used later in the 15th century? I have always thought not, but perhaps I'm wrong. I will avoid using the bascinet heads, but the kettle hats can definitely be used for the later period.

Anyone else been pondering about ways to mix this kit in with the WOTR kits?
« Last Edit: January 04, 2016, 11:36:01 PM by Charlie_ »

Offline Atheling

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Re: First shots of Perry Plastic Agincourt French.
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2016, 10:20:36 AM »
Be patient mate- even the Perry's are entitled to a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year  ;) :)

Darrell.

 

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