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Re: Fram's general builder thread (Update 9-28 - greenery in progress)
« Reply #90 on: 19 October 2014, 08:34:38 PM »
Fram,
This is another thread that I have missed and then needed to read from the beginning.  Very nice work sir. 
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Re: Fram's general builder thread (Update 9-28 - greenery in progress)
« Reply #91 on: 19 October 2014, 08:47:25 PM »
Thank you sir.  :D


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Re: Fram's general builder thread (Update 9-28 - greenery in progress)
« Reply #92 on: 20 October 2014, 05:57:51 AM »
Ouch man, that sucks on the gel. My tip: use Envirotex Lite. IMO the best water product there is. It dries clear, rock hard and looks terrific when set. The main thing to watch out for is you're using two exact equal parts of resin and hardener. If this is off, the resin may not set properly. But with all of my projects I never had this problem.
You can also tint it with inks and paints if you want. Just make sure you add a tiny amount, so the water does not go opaque or gets tinted too much.

And evade Woodland Scenics Realistic Water like the plague. It is the worst hobby product ai have bought in 20 years. What a bottle of gunk. It never dries hard, shrinks for about 80% and looks silly when set. Urgh...
Water effects on the other hand is great stuff! Really nice to add some waves or a waterfall.
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Re: Fram's general builder thread (Update 9-28 - greenery in progress)
« Reply #93 on: 20 October 2014, 06:02:15 AM »
I ought to be able to save these, albeit with some wailing and gnashing of teeth while I wait for endless slow coats and pours to dry. I can tint these too if I want, but this has been so much trouble I haven't bothered. Just getting it clear with a decent surface will be enough for me this time.

Envirotex has been recommended by several people, so that's in the running if I decide to just go with proper hobby resin next time.

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Re: Fram's general builder thread (Update 9-28 - greenery in progress)
« Reply #94 on: 20 October 2014, 07:34:34 AM »
Another vote for envirotex lite.  One tip is to texture the top with 2 part epoxy resin. 
http://www.hirstarts.com/tips17/tips17.html#water
This is a good primer for the effects.  You can also use the 2 part epoxy to add texture to plastic sheeting and fishing line to do waterfall effects by bulking up the plastic.  It is worth every penny.  One hint if you do it is to use it is if you have an area that does not cure completely.  Use the two part epoxy resin as a sealer by covering that surface and then texturing normally using the tutorial. 
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Re: Fram's general builder thread (Update 9-28 - greenery in progress)
« Reply #95 on: 20 October 2014, 09:07:54 AM »
You can also use Woodland Scenics Water Effects (NOT REALISTIC WATER!) for the waves and texture. Works really well and dries totally clear.

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Re: Fram's general builder thread (Update 9-28 - greenery in progress)
« Reply #96 on: 20 October 2014, 07:11:34 PM »
Further testing seems to confirm that at least part of the problem is pouring acrylic clear gel over acrylic gloss varnish. I now have three ponds in three states. One on a destruction pour (first pour over the gloss, which I know now will crack), one on the first repair pour (major crack filling), and one on a second repair pour (possibly resulting in a finished surface, though it might take one more afterwards).

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Image heavy post here, including a fair number of WIPs.

Flocked everything. This was a mix of regular flocks, plus some ground herbs (mostly marjoram and parsley).



Same for the grasslands.



This was the first water pour.



Looks good, but horrible bubble problems (hard to see in the photo).



I didn't take any pictures of the later disaster water pours, but I did take a few of my near-disastrous attempts to fix severe warping in the large pond. The base cracked, but luckily the clear gel held the top together. I had to glue the cracks from below. Things got sloppy.



One end stayed stubbornly high, so I had to add a filler bridge out of cardboard sanded to fit.



On the top, new filler added.



After that it was days and days days of corrective water pours. In the meantime, I worked on finishing the smaller stands or bracken and shrubs for cover. I pretty much grabbed every scenery element I had. Woodland Scenics and MBS clump foliage, Bachmann saplings/branches, Noch & Silflor tufts and flowers.



Problem! My cover stands were alright but looked wrong on the table. I realized that I just didn't have enough small bits to break things up, so I decided to make some more. A friend of mine with lots of woodworking experience actually helped me by cutting these out of MDF - I was just going to borrow his drill press to cut discs, but we wound up using a lathe (!). It seemed like an elaborate process (mounting a woodblock to the late, then crewing bits of MDF into the block, then carving them out carefully with a chisel) but was actually easier than it would have been because we cut and bevelled them all at the same time.



The wall compound I'm used to buying has been changed to a smoother formula, so I tried adding sand to bring texture back in. This worked pretty well.



Finally, after the water had been more or less rescued, the grasslands were detailed too, mostly with tufts. Some finished shots!













Obligatory bad photoshop job



Is that all? Nope. I've also been working on a small shelter made out of wreckage. I want the shelter to be multi-purpose, with bits that look like they might have com from an aircraft or ship or who knows what. The idea I had was to simply build up a collection of parts that looked like they could be from "something" and then build it out however it works of these pre-made bits (I do have a general idea of look and layout planned). First, a base.



Wood will be wood, plasticard for metal bits. Here you can see some sort of structural member as well as some hull plates (some damaged).



I knew I wanted a hatchway door with a broken window. Here's the start.



The two halves of the door complete, as well as some other bits.



Some wooden bits, this is after they've received a light wash of ochre to scale them better. Very light since this is still supposed to be newer wood, recently rescued from wherever. I'll have some more weathered wood too. Might drybrush some charring on some parts.



That's as far as I am with the shelter for now. But there's still one more thing. I needed an injured or sick man so I put one together out of bits and putty. The bedroll is a pressmold copy of a roll (sleeping bag?) I had from a military bits kit (so no, I didn't sculpt it).



« Last Edit: 07 November 2014, 09:29:39 PM by FramFramson »

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Interesting stuff  8) 8)

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Fram those scenic heathland shots look great! It sucks that the water effects are a nightmare - I think you've done a great job on them by the way.

I like the sleeping guy too! I may borrow that idea.

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Re: Fram's general buildy thread (Update 11-07 - greenery done, WIP shelter)
« Reply #100 on: 07 November 2014, 10:18:51 PM »
Nice work Fram :-*
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Re: Fram's general buildy thread (Update 11-07 - greenery done, WIP shelter)
« Reply #101 on: 07 November 2014, 11:05:36 PM »
Thanks gents  :D

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Re: Fram's general buildy thread (Update 11-07 - greenery done, WIP shelter)
« Reply #102 on: 08 November 2014, 12:10:08 AM »
Great rescue on the water Fram and the grasslands look great  :-*
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Re: Fram's general buildy thread (Update 11-07 - greenery done, WIP shelter)
« Reply #103 on: 08 November 2014, 03:14:49 AM »
Beautiful stuff.
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Re: Fram's general buildy thread (Update 11-07 - greenery done, WIP shelter)
« Reply #104 on: 08 November 2014, 06:55:58 AM »
Nice work Fram!!! 8) 8) 8)

Your wee scratch built bits of wreckage look cracking so far!

 

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