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Offline fitterpete

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Re: lieutenant Egyptian battalion available now/28mm Maximillian range
« Reply #75 on: 25 November 2011, 02:08:20 PM »
Sorry joroas I misunderstood :)
I agree campaign dress,especially for this conflict, would look like peasants with guns.

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Re: lieutenant Egyptian battalion available now/28mm Maximillian range
« Reply #76 on: 25 November 2011, 02:09:53 PM »
We all love those sparkly full dress uniforms............. :D
'So do all who see such times. But that is not for us to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that we are given.'

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Re: lieutenant Egyptian battalion available now/28mm Maximillian range
« Reply #78 on: 25 November 2011, 03:57:22 PM »
Kingscarbine

good man , nice print ............just printed it off looks great A4 size......more

inspiration!!

thanks Ged ;)

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Re: lieutenant Egyptian battalion available now/28mm Maximillian range
« Reply #79 on: 25 November 2011, 03:58:06 PM »
Ged, you have tapped a rich vein here................

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Re: lieutenant Egyptian battalion available now/28mm Maximillian range
« Reply #80 on: 25 November 2011, 04:55:23 PM »
Joroas

its great to see all the enthusiam!......

all the info will not go to waste

 :)

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Re: lieutenant Egyptian battalion available now/28mm Maximillian range
« Reply #81 on: 27 November 2011, 05:59:23 PM »
ps now if i could get more information on the Mexican Imperial Army ...i have lots
of scraps and Hefters CD on them .....then i could retire back into my cage
digest and re-appear...................!! ;)

I suppose you are already familiar with the Knötel plates reproduced in the Chartrand Osprey book :




Along with the Hefter illustrations you mention



It seems the majority of the rank and file wore the French style uniforms depicted in Knötel's plates, even after the new Maximilian uniforms were introduced. Some contemporay pics also show Imperial troops wearing Republican-style dark blue coats and trousers, which suggests that pre-war army clothing stocks may have been used from time to time.

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Re: lieutenant Egyptian battalion available now/28mm Maximillian range
« Reply #82 on: 27 November 2011, 06:12:35 PM »
Anyway even the FFL appear tp have all the cimberbands..epaulettes ..and must have looked amazing..

French troops took to wearing the waist sash over the veste (i.e shell jacket) or greatcoat during the Algerian campaigns. It was actually more than just a decorative feature : used as a body sash, it kept the lumbar vertebrae covered and reduced the risk of back strain, and also protected the abdomen during the cold North African nights. The waist sash was never worn over the M1860 basquine tunic, though.

Both the veste and the capote (greatcoat) could be worn with or without the epaulettes. There is period documentary evidence for both, but of course it makes the figures visually more interesting and more colourful if they have the epaulettes sculpted on.
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Re: lieutenant Egyptian battalion available now/28mm Maximillian range
« Reply #83 on: 27 November 2011, 06:31:31 PM »
Arthur

thanks for the goodies, you right i have now seen the Knotel plates and to be honest
they are not bad..and agree with Hefter ( im sure he used this source)...the "mountie"
style uniorm is a must do and as mentioned by me the Imperial lancers.

i agree the epaulettes on is always a better option for the visual splendour aspect as
the colour along with the colar facings were the only differnce to tell units apart.
intersting about the sashes worn for health purposes.amd they looked cool!!

just read how Dupin charmed Napoloen 111 into sending him back to Mexico,,,theres
a man who loved a waist sash and a gold encrusted sombero!! 

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Re: lieutenant Egyptian battalion available now/28mm Maximillian range
« Reply #84 on: 27 November 2011, 09:57:37 PM »
just read how Dupin charmed Napoloen 111 into sending him back to Mexico,,,theres a man who loved a waist sash and a gold encrusted sombero!!

The climate does not seem to have done him much good as he died in France barely a year after his return from Mexico.

Right. What shall we tackle next ? The subject is anything but obscure, but if you are interested, I have some pretty nifty pics of Chasseurs d'Afrique on campaign.

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Re: lieutenant Egyptian battalion available now/28mm Maximillian range
« Reply #85 on: 28 November 2011, 12:09:46 AM »
Arthur

Now ....that is VERY tempting aside from i believe a squadron of the 8th Hussars

these Chassuers d Afrique were the mainstay cavalrywise so i would love to

see these..............

well done that man

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Re: lieutenant Egyptian battalion available now/28mm Maximillian range
« Reply #86 on: 28 November 2011, 02:38:31 AM »
No reason why we can't have both...  :D

First, it's the 5th Hussars you will be interested in since the regiment sent two squadrons to Mexico. These were part of the 2nd Régiment de marche along with two Chasseurs d'Afrique squadrons. The 8th did not serve during the Mexican campaign.

The men were supposed to take the field wearing their dark blue dolmans and red trousers with fake leather booting, but the much plainer veste (shell jacket) seems to have been a very popular garment. The pelisse was never used in Mexico, even in cold weather, so may be omitted altogether. The shako wasn't used in the field, being replaced with the kepi which was usually worn with a white cover and havelock. Both period photos and illustrations show that the sombrero was extensively worn instead of the kepi. The African army's cloth waist sash also appears to have been quite popular, and the practice of wearing it probably originated during the 5th's stint in Algeria in the late 1850's.

The pics below show a trooper in campaign dress as sketched by Benigni, a photograph of an officer circa 1863, another one of a lieutenant Teurkhauff in 1859 after his return from the Italian campaign and a scan from issue 22 of Tradition showing the Musée de l'Armée mannequin of an officer in regulation campaign dress.

   




Now on to the Chasseurs d'Afrique. The full dress braided jacket was never worn in the field, except by officers. The men wore their plain vestes instead, with red cavalry trousers and their distinctive taconet, or shako, which was usually worn with a white cover and havelock in Mexico. Officers wore kepis instead, with or without a havelock.

Featured below is a very rare pic of Chasseurs in the field during the Crimean campaign. This is how they would have looked like in Mexico, with the addition of white shako covers.



Next are period sketches of Chasseurs in Algeria in 1870 : give or take a few details, this is once again what they would have looked like on campaign in Mexico :



And finally some mannequins and a large scale figure which give a pretty good idea of the the men's equipment and accoutrements :





  
  
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Re: lieutenant Egyptian battalion available now/28mm Maximillian range
« Reply #87 on: 28 November 2011, 08:37:23 AM »
Thankyou, Arthur, for your time and effort in covering these units.  :D

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Re: lieutenant Egyptian battalion available now/28mm Maximillian range
« Reply #88 on: 28 November 2011, 11:45:54 AM »
Arthur

mind blowing assotment of information.....much obliged to you.....i wll have a string of
questions for you later if i may once i have absorbed all of the informationa and
pictures all of which i have not seen

one question am i right in saying the French army in the crimea was relatively
unchanged still when it arrived in Mexico aside from the changes with Sombreros
and other minor climatic items of wear .......its just a general question will be more
specific later. The cavalry are always my favourite and there seems to be enough
colourfull french units to keep any avid wargamer happy!! inclyding me!! ;)

again thanks for your time and effort.
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Re: lieutenant Egyptian battalion available now/28mm Maximillian range
« Reply #89 on: 28 November 2011, 11:49:47 AM »
Warbases have just released some modular buildings that may be invaluable for this period. ...and they are exceptionally cheap even by Warbases standards.

http://www.warbases.co.uk/#/modular-buildings/4557335897

 

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