Ghost Archipelago Nickstarter?

[kuba]

Amazons tribe would be appropriate for lost isles.

[Ivan DBA]

Backed at Level 3, and added an extra Heritor/Warden pair, all the specialists, female crew, and a few other extras.  I'll be able to make two warbands with plenty of options.

I'm really looking forward to trying this, it sounds like a few tweaks Joe has made to the rules, and the different setting, will give it a very different feel from Felstad. 

And the plastic Snakemen and Drichaeans on the horizon sound great!

[Kommando_J]

To reply to earlier comments;

I forgot about the swimming rules , that makes more sense.

I did say i understood that heritors/specialist are not sailors...

A heritor box set while useful would ultimately make less money than selling metal minis.

As an avid player of skirmish games, I on some level do think restricting missile weapons is good.

An all female box set I don't think would sell, while i see a big push for more women in games the fact is most aren't and never will be interested, even among men I am seeing it shrink in some places as computer games and more ''prestigious'' forms of hobbies come to the fore, without wanting to sound mean he new female crew option does nothing for me(kinda sick of the whole dread/bandanna pirate look).

I have to say the stretch goals are kinda rubbish.

[spect_spidey]

Maybe a full kit dedicated to Heritors/Wardens is not ideal, but I think selling an individual sprue with options to make Heritors/Wardens, females, and specialists would be nice. The crewman set just doesn't have a body or some of the items needed to flesh out a crew. The previous kits all had a few pieces or a body that could stand out a bit from the rest to give you some of the other specialized soldiers, a wizard, or a captain.

On a side note, I do wish that Captains or something similar were included in GA. I like the ideas of Heritors and Wardens, but I think a Captain to lead the crew would be nice as well. Maybe allow warbands to be 12 members? Then you could have each sort of with three crew members whether regular or specialists. And there would be three phases, the Heritor, the Warden, and the Captain. Allowing for three group activations if you would like before regular crewman activate. I guess the main reason I would want this is I really liked the tricks of the trade and it gave a wizard something to do with all that gold he was getting in Frostgrave.

[Coenus Scaldingus]

I suppose the Triple Sprue Challenge does sort of show that quite some interesting leader figures can be constructed from the plastic kits already, and I can imagine that with a limited number of plastic kits that can be produced, something entirely novel like snakemen is preferable. That said, Nick did mention on Facebook that an all-female set is under consideration, depending on how well the current box sells. They did think of having a mixed male/female box, but that would actually just limit options (e.g. rather than 5 bodies with 8 different heads, there'd be 3 male/2 female bodies with 5 male/3 female heads, meaning a group of women would end up looking very similar).

Speaking of the Triple Sprue Challenge by the way, it is a pity both it and the Nickstarter end on the same day, as entry in the former makes participating in the latter a bit less attractive, dreaming to be among the lucky winners as one of course hopes to. Perhaps something to consider for future contests if this one proves successful (and I do hope more will follow, having both enjoyed creating something myself and seeing some of the wacky entries that have been shown already!).

[Kommando_J]

I am certainly noticing that Osprey and Frostgrave promoters could be more in sync.

The whole thing with amazon selling the books way cheaper springs to mind.

[Smith]

The whole thing with amazon selling the books way cheaper springs to mind.

Much as I wish it were otherwise, Amazon price at whatever discount they want, and there is nothing we can do to change it.

That said, Nick did mention on Facebook that an all-female set is under consideration, depending on how well the current box sells. They did think of having a mixed male/female box, but that would actually just limit options (e.g. rather than 5 bodies with 8 different heads, there'd be 3 male/2 female bodies with 5 male/3 female heads, meaning a group of women would end up looking very similar).

This is exactly the situation.

Maybe a full kit dedicated to Heritors/Wardens is not ideal, but I think selling an individual sprue with options to make Heritors/Wardens, females, and specialists would be nice.

We have considered this over the last few years. Right now, producing an individual sprue is just not viable, I'm afraid - we'd need to sell four times as many as a crew box, or charge a whole lot more per sprue - the cost of producing that one sprue isn't significantly less than producing the contents of an entire crew box. Also, as above, attempting to put that much variety onto the one sprue would really only result in reduced variety across the board.

I guess the main reason I would want this is I really liked the tricks of the trade and it gave a wizard something to do with all that gold he was getting in Frostgrave.

You'll like the Heritor powers, then. Unlike Frostgrave, where Wizards and Apprentices worked off the same spell list and the Captain Tricks of the Trade offered an extra 'system', that's already there with the Heritor powers and the Warden spells. Also, don't worry about amassing gold - there's new ways to spend money (for example, if you want to recruit replacement specialists or go 'shopping' for gear, you have to pay for a long sea voyage...).

[spect_spidey]

I can understand the logistics of doing female or specialty parts in a sprue. But I really think they are missing out. There are plenty of heads and male bodies to be had from tons of miniature companies. But how many female kits are out there? I can only think of Shieldwolf's kit. And that kit doesn't really "fit" either of Frostgrave's settings. I do think the female crew metal offerings are a step in the right direction, but as of the time I am writing this there are no pictures of the minis. I am always leary of purchasing anything that I cannot see beforehand. Of course as I have mentioned before I hate working with metal miniatures. I prefer plastics.

[Murawski1812]

I would like to see this too..... but there are some very sweet female figures out there already.... 

[spect_spidey]

I would like to see this too..... but there are some very sweet female figures out there already.... 

In plastic?

[Murawski1812]

No, none are in plastic... sorry, that went right over my head....

[spect_spidey]

I have been a bit disappointed with the spend goals here. One I think they are too far apart. 10,000 each goal is pretty steep. That is a lot of books. Plus I would have figured something "bigger" with a little more substance to it for the launch of a completely new rulebook. I participated in the Nickstarter for the Folio and that one being just a compilation supplement had a free plastic sprue, 2 free metal minis, a free metal head, and a free special mace hand. So far with this one we have a crew sheet, 5 treasure tokens, 1 metal mini, and the possibility of another metal mini. If someone has participated in several of the past Nickstarters, then they will have more than enough treasure tokens. LOL The crew sheet will be good for one Heritor and crew then be discarded. The snakeman is kind of cool, but will look out of place until the plastic kit is released and he has some brethren to hang with. The same goes for the possible warrior when that goal is reached. Here's hoping the next goal has a wow factor to it. I already have a copy of the book and accessory kit on pre-order from my local shop. I guess what I am saying is that the freebies aren't enticing enough to warrant the purchase of an extra book for me. I keep hoping for something better otherwise I will just wait until release and order me a set of the plastic crew and maybe a warden. I just am not seeing many of the metal sculpts that impress me. Many seem very soft in detail and uninspired.

[Karadek]

^^ I tend to agree with spect_spidey here. 

[Kegluneq]

Though I agree that the new miniatures are understated, I want to say that I actually -like- that?  Hear me out: this is an opinion influenced by the over-saturation of big and elaborate aesthetics in miniature design.  I went all in on this nickstarter (level 4), because to my surprise I have really very much enjoyed the previous Frostgrave miniatures even when they were "uninspired".  I have not found them to be soft on detail, just ... simpler.  Less gaudy.  And simple can be good, since it is rough finding fantasy miniatures that aren't all swinging over-sized weapons, shouting wildly, and scale-creeping into insanity.

Spect-spidey, Karadek, you have a valid point.  It's just not one that applies to me, and I want to supply a counter-point to keep things from seeming too negative.

[Kommando_J]

I agree in that I prefer less overly designed minis so I can put my own stamp on them.

I also agree with spec spidey in that the stretch goals are (compared to before) absolute shite, also lets e real here, they ALWAYS say the nickstarter minis are exclusive...they never stay that way.

I think that we don't have an obligation to be positive Kegluneq, honest feedback is better than unrealistically concentrating on the good, nickstarters in the past have been great but I am noticing that the last few weren't as good.

I'll be honest although I have pledged I am now considering pulling out, the stretch goals do nothing for me(to be fair to the roster thing, you could photcopy it) and while the minis are nice...part me thinks I should just wait until the rulebook is cheap and do a custom warband