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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: olyreed on 26 October 2016, 01:24:37 PM
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Well not completely, looks like Moongose and Warlord are selling off their Dredd stuff and Mongoose have not picked up the license to continue, Matt from Mongoose has intermated on the kickstarter page that someone may have already got the rights
quote from Kickstarter
Good morning all!
As some of you have noted, we have passed on the 2000AD licence - however, this does not affect the Kickstarter projects in any way. You will all get the miniatures you are after.
All the miniatures have been sculpted/prototyped, and are now with the casters (Warlord and Ainsty) to be cast up - we are expecting Ainsty to finish the Pat Wagons, well, any time now, and Warlord are predicting early next year to complete their metals.
As soon as the last Pat Wagons are with us, we will do an update that lists everything that has been sent out thus far, so you can run your own checklists and find out if anything has gone awry in the post - anything that has gone missing will be replaced immediately if we have it in stock, or early next year with Warlord's last castings if not.
We have removed the Judge Dredd miniatures from our web site, as we have several out of stock items already. However, they are still available from Warlord, and will continue to be so until the end of November (with a good discount too!)
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In more ways than one:
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-37743510 (http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-37743510)
RIP Steve Dillon
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In more ways than one:
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-37743510 (http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-37743510)
RIP Steve Dillon
agreed
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Bugger.....and bugger! Someone did point me in the direction of the Warlord 2000AD sale, but most of it was sold out! I kinda figured that's what had happened!
Is it just me or is this a bad year for celebrity deaths? :o
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So, wait, what...?
Does that mean once the last kickstarter stuff has shipped next year that there will be no more Dredd minis on sale from Warlord? If so, I hope whoever gets the licence continues to produce them.
And while we're making pie in the sky wishes, maybe do some new ones with consistent equipment, believable anatomy and non-dancing poses....
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So, wait, what...?
Does that mean once the last kickstarter stuff has shipped next year that there will be no more Dredd minis on sale from Warlord? If so, I hope whoever gets the licence continues to produce them.
And while we're making pie in the sky wishes, maybe do some new ones with consistent equipment, believable anatomy and non-dancing poses....
As far as i know, the dredd stuff is pretty much sold out on Warlords site, and Mongoose have removed all their stuff,
I was half hoping that Crooked Dice might pick up the rights, but it looks like someone else have
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So not Warlord, not Mongoose - who then?
GW?
CMON?
Spartan?
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Warlord had their 50% off blowout and it seems to be all over. End of Dredd.
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The Warlord stocks were pretty low even before that sale. I was looking for the Fatties figures a little while back and a lot of the blisters were already out of stock.
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The Warlord stocks were pretty low even before that sale. I was looking for the Fatties figures a little while back and a lot of the blisters were already out of stock.
I wanted Kleggs for my Block Wars project but they had already gone...
Mike
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So Warlord bought a range off an independent company only to kill it off? Wow. How unusual.
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Could it be Prodos?
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Could it be Prodos?
I would have jumped at that, but likely beyond our meagre means. I think 7TV rules would have worked nicely for it.
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Not to break LAF's usual friendly demeanour but I'm sure the blame rests on Matt's shoulders. I can't believe so many have been duped for so long by such a weasel of a man. I hope he goes the way of Tony Riedy.
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Bugger. Hadn't realised the Warlord sale would potentially be the last of the stock. I hesitated for a few hours and missed everything!
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I got in late and picked up a few bits and bobs. Sorry to hear this is going OOP (if that is indeed the case).
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Looks like Matt has started listing the Dredd miniatures on Ebay along with the studio painted pieces too.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_saslop=1&_sasl=altsain&_sop=10
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Go for Star Wars mate ;D
cheers
James
That would be truly epic.
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That would be truly epic.
As would the budget :)
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Was tempted recently to finally take the plunge and start buying up some Dredd some with a view to starting a bloc war project - quite glad I didn't now.
It's one of the reasons I tend to spend ages gathering/hoarding everything I need for a project, before I actually start....at least that's what I tell myself.
There is nothing more annoying than your source of shiney toys disappearing halfway through a project.
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Really annoying, and I was too late to pick up some bargains from Warlord as well. I hope whoever picks it up puts some more work into it - I never got a chance to play a game, but I was building up a nice little justice department force, and a mutant/street gang.
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Warlord Games never owned the licence OR the game, they simply distributed the game on behalf of Matt, who, as we know, has a tendency to get hold of a licence and use it for as long as he can.
As it is, the fact that the he passed on the licence renewal means that another company has been able to pick it up and will be able to develop a whole range of new products, no doubt to a consistent style and using new people with innovative ideas.
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That's the hope!
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Warlord Games never owned the licence OR the game, they simply distributed the game on behalf of Matt, who, as we know, has a tendency to get hold of a licence and use it for as long as he can.
As it is, the fact that the he passed on the licence renewal means that another company has been able to pick it up and will be able to develop a whole range of new products, no doubt to a consistent style and using new people with innovative ideas.
Now that would be cool. I wonder....
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Warlord Games never owned the licence OR the game, they simply distributed the game on behalf of Matt, who, as we know, has a tendency to get hold of a licence and use it for as long as he can.
What killed me with Mongoose and their product was the running of the RuneQuest licence. Some of the production quality was dire with pages hanging out. They were pretty decent in replacing the shoddy copies but the entire range being remaindered at fractions of the price months after me paying full price for them was infuriating.
Is there any definite word as to a new licensee?
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Matt has indicated that another company either has it or is interested and that company may or may not be buying up the Mongoose line.
I'm hoping to see the vehicles that were never released.
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Hope someone has picked it up I was hanging on for some Iron lions..
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Four years in from backing this cursed kickstarter this happens. I hope he bloody honours all those who funded this little exercise, as like many hundreds i am still waiting completion of my pledge
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Four years in from backing this cursed kickstarter this happens. I hope he bloody honours all those who funded this little exercise, as like many hundreds i am still waiting completion of my pledge
On the Dredd Kickstarter page, Matt has said "As I said in the update, all KS pledges will be honoured. There is no legal countdown on them. Everything you pledged for is guaranteed (and has been sculpted, it is just waiting to be cast)".
Guess we'll have to wait and see...
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Sad, but where Mongoose is concerned, not surprising. :?
I was really on the fence about backing at all in the beginning, and how far to back if so. In the end although I did back, I got just two gangs that I felt were most likely to get done quickly, and one of those ended up having the number of models in it cut (which really pleased me, as you can imagine).
Now, I'm obviously really chuffed that the miniatures line I helped to KS has folded even before the models for it were all complete. Thanks Mongoose, glad I could help! ::)
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My experience with Mongoose has been so universally negative, I didn't invest in the miniatures line until Warlord took over distribution and casting.
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Not to break LAF's usual friendly demeanour but I'm sure the blame rests on Matt's shoulders. I can't believe so many have been duped for so long by such a weasel of a man. I hope he goes the way of Tony Riedy.
I think that's a bit harsh, Matt is a nice guy and a good games designer, he's just utterly bad at keeping those games around. Whereas Tony Reidy it always seamed like well meaning total-incompetence to me, Matt struck me as well meaning ineptitude. Reidy/Defiance were so bull headed and blind to reality they let it lead them to ruin, blaming everyone but themselves, and take everybody elses money along the way. At least Matt/Mongoose would get the games/figures out, and they'be often be pretty great games, but the production value was not what was promised (often because Matt would overhype it) and they never seemed to have the expansions and new releases planned out to keep the games active and alive, but he/they at least have the sense drop a game before it lead them to complete ruin. Matt can MAKE a game, he just can't make one that lasts.
I still hold B5 to be the greatest space combat game of all time (any of the 4 editions/revisions :P ) and Mongoose does great licensed stuff, they just never keep it around for more than a few years then let it slip away and bounce around from license to license to license and their original stuff was never very good. Their production was always way more ambitious than they could handle, everything from warped covers on cheap chinese printed books to poorly cast B5 wars ships to the mediocre SST plastics to those horrendous Battlefield Evolution pre-painted abominations that nearly put them under. Because they deal with licensed stuff they tie their own hands with how much potential for expansion they have (if they plan for the expansions at all), then are surprised they aren't making money off the line when all the players own everything they need to play and aren't buying. Then it's "Well, the game isn't selling and the license is expensive, better drop this game too!"
Dropping Dredd is just par for the course with mongoose
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Oh he's a great games designer and I'm sure he's pleasant to talk to in person. Let's just say that Matt isn't exactly good at actually paying anyone for anything.
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Can Mongoose stop buying IP's ? They ruin them for other companies...
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Can Mongoose stop buying IP's ? They ruin them for other companies...
How do they ruin them? By the slap dash approach to the standard of the miniatures they release?
I'd say that was a good thing... then at least if you get the lisence and put out a coherent range of miniatures to go with it, you will quickly win over all the previous nay-sayers and possibly get a cheaper license due to the perceived reduction in demand :)
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I'd live someone to do a proper Dredd figures range without the 'quirkiness' of the Mongoose figs. As it is I have a mixture of Foundry and Citadel Judges with a mix of other ranges mixed in.
Speaking of Mongoose and Warlord why ever happened to victory at Sea? Weren't Warlord going to publish that?
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I'd live someone to do a proper Dredd figures range without the 'quirkiness' of the Mongoose figs.
I'd love someone do actually do a gameable JD range, rather than a painter's range. Y'know, a bunch of generic judges to go alongside the personailites, a whole load of random perps, some Citi-Def, and a range of civs. There's only so many games you can play with Dredd and Anderson against the Dark Judges/Angel Gang/insert supervillain here.
What I really want is Necromunda in MC-1, not Herohammer.
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I'd love someone do actually do a gameable JD range, rather than a painter's range. Y'know, a bunch of generic judges to go alongside the personailites, a whole load of random perps, some Citi-Def, and a range of civs. There's only so many games you can play with Dredd and Anderson against the Dark Judges/Angel Gang/insert supervillain here.
What I really want is Necromunda in MC-1, not Herohammer.
That said, given GW's recent amazing output (genstealer cult/admech etc) I think GW getting behind it again would the best thing since sliced bread.
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That said, given GW's recent amazing output (genstealer cult/admech etc) I think GW getting behind it again would the best thing since sliced bread.
Agreed, a modular plastic range alongside a bunch of posed hero models from GW would be fantastic.
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My money would be on someone like CMON taking it on as a jelloplastic mini heavy boardgame with 37mm figures.
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Agreed, a modular plastic range alongside a bunch of posed hero models from GW would be fantastic.
As one of their recent "board game" packages complete with card/plastic terrain element, they could keep releasing expansion after expansion.
I'd literally just start a direct debit and wait by the letterbox with a paint set and dice.
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You know, I was contemplating selling my (unpainted) Judge Dredd collection, which has most of the Mongoose stuff from the kickstarter and some Foundry and other assorted models. So this seems like a good time then? :D
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You know, I was contemplating selling my (unpainted) Judge Dredd collection, which has most of the Mongoose stuff from the kickstarter and some Foundry and other assorted models. So this seems like a good time then? :D
I was thinking the same thing.
Of course I've got to wait for my remaining KS models to turn up first...
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I was thinking the same thing.
Of course I've got to wait for my remaining KS models to turn up first...
ROFL good luck with that, it's only taken 4yrs.
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Hi, new to forum, found it searching for info on the Dredd stuff.
I've been intending to buy these figures for ages (to skirmish wargame rather than skirmish roleplay), realised it was going OOP too late, only caught the last bit of the Warlord sale and picked up a few things they still had on several orders. I then wasn't able to get enough of the other stuff for it to seem worthwhile (though I have caught up a bit now), so I cancelled one of the Warlord orders I'd made that they hadn't dispatched, for the Expansion Rulebook and Angel Gang box set. They sent them anyway, then caught up with my cancellation email, refunded but very generously let me keep them :-) In the email telling me this happy news, Warlord said:
"As our license on Judge Dredd has almost reached its end, we are currently planning the future for its range and game and re-negotiating our agreements with the brand owners. This may mean that we may decide to modify the way the models will be available.
Please stay tuned on our website pages and newsletter for imminent news on Judge Dredd developments!" (He included the exclamation mark, not me)!
I've been trying to work out what that might mean cuz obviously if this is them permanently OOP, it dictates whether the figures are worth paying over the odds for while there are still new / good condition examples about. But it doesn't sound like the end of World for the game & range. And it may not be in Warlords, or I think more likely Mongoose's hands, the Licence owner may be beginning to realise the very big potential Dredd has (as the Yanks indulge their Super Hero fetish and they run out of steam with it cuz their super heroes are stupid, unlike Dredd), and mean to do something really proper with it.
Eg, they're making proper inroads into America now, that film wasn't box office popular but it has gone cult, and they've got into 1/12th scale Dredd figures (Mezco & ThreeA) and now 1/6th scale too (ThreeA). Interestingly Mezco appear to have recently lost their Dredd license too (even as they were releasing their Lawmaster and it seems with plans to do more), it seems to ThreeA (who were previously running alongside them), and ThreeA are the cool art-house version of the 2, very limited / exclusive punk comic type stuff (their 1/6 scale Dredd has already shot up approx £80 on £155 list and it's not even released till mid next year). So stuff is happening and like it's being rationalised to be bigger rather than dying away.
I wouldn't be surprised if Warlord end up with it all, or Wargames Foundry got involved (it would be perfect for them). If they don't, I'd keep on eye on their range in case that suddenly gets dropped as the license holder concentrates everything. Or indeed as others have said Games Workshop. I'm sure someone will start manufacturing (at least some of) these again, there's too many quality miniatures (like the new ABC Warriors) they've already done that have never been properly on sale, and there's obviously still too much demand for the range.
Btw, if like me you're looking for troops to bolster East Meg forces (and aren't a Dredd cannon purist), Konflikt 47 hvy Soviet infantry have a nice star moulded onto their fronts and I think would work well. And Sally 4th stock Pulp Fiction figures, and their Weird Menace Radon Zombies would work great as something, maybe cloned troops for the Soviets or just as invading aliens :-)
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I'm kind of annoyed because I've just realised I really want the Wasteland Desperados and Renegade Robot sets for Rogue Stars
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I've been searching through what's still available where so know, those two box sets are still available to buy on Ebay, and from the same trader who'll give a discount if you buy them together, they're cheaper there right now than their normal list price was at Warlord, but don't expect them to be in stock long.
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Interesting quote from Warlord, Ulfhednar.
On the kickstarter, Mongoose have said that the moulds are being destroyed.
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.....so the whole kickstarter was fucking pointless then.
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Interesting quote from Warlord, Ulfhednar.
On the kickstarter, Mongoose have said that the moulds are being destroyed.
Why do people feel the need to do this?
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There's obviously something very weird going on, there were new figures for this range being released on the Warlord site after they'd sold out of everything else. I went back on it after everything had sold out to surf through the pages to reference stuff I was looking to buy on Ebay, and 2 or 3 pages into the sold out listings they'd added a load of new ABC Warriors that had already sold out, but also added a new Citi-Def Unit (3 infantry, 2 CD soldiers 1 with samurai sword another with chainsaw, and a third Jaeger sniper) which I managed to buy the last 2 sets of, and a Robo-Doc that I bought the last one of - and still at sale prices. (edit - and while I assume they were sent to kickstarters, I don't think those figures were ever for general sale on the Mongoose site, whatever (if anything) that suggests about whose doing the manufacturing / has the moulds and is in real control).
And for sale on Ebay right now they (Mongoose) have got a painted studio miniature of a female Judge with 2 lawgivers that's never been released, and also selling a painted studio Nero Narcus, and a painted studio Medi Judge on Lawmaster with sidecar (all kickstarter stuff never put on general sale). And that painted car and the Prowler Tank.
I guess it's tied in with the Rogue Trooper kickstarter (they sold off the studio painted Nort & Souther unit last week), I think someone's come in to take the whole thing over, maybe Mongoose have just cashed in cuz it's really worth something now? Can't believe this whole range is just going to vanish, it has too much value and potential.
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Personally I thought the range was hit or miss anyway! The Prowl tank was good, but waaaay too expensive. The judge car thing was horrendous! You do know Foundry still do 2000AD miniatures? There's also a lot of proxies out there. The 2000AD universe is sooo big that you can pretty much add a whole lot of other stuff that would fit in. Maybe some else with the license will do it some justice! ;)
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Why do people feel the need to do this?
Contractual reasons usually. They no longer have a legal right to produce the models, so no longer have a legal right to have the moulds. I've seen it in non-wargaming industry before as a contractual obligation.
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It seems to be the case that Mongoose had moulds, and Warlord have the same moulds too and they both manufactured. (Certainly, Warlord put out latest figures for sale like the Citi-Def reinforcements last week when Mongoose didn't, which suggests Warlord are manufacturing themselves and not reliant on Mongoose). It seems Mongoose are definitely out of it so makes sense they'd destroy their moulds, but it doesn't mean Warlord (or the Brand owners) don't also have copies of the moulds / master figures, so things could be picked up again.
Re the figures being a bit hit and miss, some are but so it is with all ranges. I've been out of figures for decades and just getting back into it now, and having taken a good look at everything around these days, this range is arguably as good as anything, like old Citadel Runequest quality. It has real character, the figures look like they're in real motion like in the comic books rather than just posing for photo's like so many 'perfect' modern figures do. It's certainly much better than Citadels previous Dredd effort. Wargames Foundry have some good 2000AD figures, some are better than Warlords, but some are worse and frankly just bad (like their SCS Judge, whose helmet is too tall and makes his head look like an egg).
And I bought Mongoose's studio painted Rogue Trooper Nort & Souther units from the kickstart and they are seriously extremely good. I'm certain this must just be a break due to 2000AD license issues and the whole lot (or at least a good proportion of it) will be back, hopefully on a more mainstream pro basis.
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It seems to be the case that Mongoose had moulds, and Warlord have the same moulds too and they both manufactured. (Certainly, Warlord put out latest figures for sale like the Citi-Def reinforcements last week when Mongoose didn't, which suggests Warlord are manufacturing themselves and not reliant on Mongoose). It seems Mongoose are definitely out of it so makes sense they'd destroy their moulds, but it doesn't mean Warlord (or the Brand owners) don't also have copies of the moulds / master figures, so things could be picked up again.
Re the figures being a bit hit and miss, some are but so it is with all ranges. I've been out of figures for decades and just getting back into it now, and having taken a good look at everything around these days, this range is arguably as good as anything, like old Citadel Runequest quality. It has real character, the figures look like they're in real motion like in the comic books rather than just posing for photo's like so many 'perfect' modern figures do. It's certainly much better than Citadels previous Dredd effort. Wargames Foundry have some good 2000AD figures, some are better than Warlords, but some are worse and frankly just bad (like their SCS Judge, whose helmet is too tall and makes his head look like an egg).
And I bought Mongoose's studio painted Rogue Trooper Nort & Souther units from the kickstart and they are seriously extremely good. I'm certain this must just be a break due to 2000AD license issues and the whole lot (or at least a good proportion of it) will be back, hopefully on a more mainstream pro basis.
I vaguely recall Mongoose saying Warlord had taken over production when it first happened, so it wouldn't surprise me if they just sent all the masters and moulds over, rather than duplicating the lot and keeping a set. Personally, I reckon these are unlikely to see the light of day again, as it's almost certain that someone else with deeper pockets has got the rights to the licence, and if that happens, they almost certainly won't want a third-hand range that doesn't match their own style.
I backed the Dredd KS campaign for a few hundred quid (four years on, and still waiting!) on the back of their initial greens. I have to say I was thoroughly disappointed with the quality level of a lot of the stuff that has turned up. I'm still tempted to sell the lot and start re-buying a bunch of old Citadel Dredd stuff, apart from the fact that the reselling BIN-twats on eBay seem to think they're made of platinum or something.
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Yes they charge crazy money for old figures, there are bargains but not everything on Ebay is genuine, I have seen some for sale where people have made new moulds from leads and recast (in one case checked with the original manufacturer and they confirmed it was a copy). You have to really study the detail and mould lines in the photo, the metal slotta tab for correct lettering (it's often erased on copies) and the sellers other auctions, and make a judgement if it's in such good condition and / or a bargain, why / how, and if it's lost detail, is it just worn, bad photo, or is it a recast that never had it. Can't always rely on sellers rep as many buyers are young and don't know how old stuff should be, others just over-assume.
I appreciate some of the Mongoose Dredd stuff was just bad by being out of scale, like apparently the surfers and Cadets etc, and Mongoose supplied ones seemed to have had more of an issue with production quality (compared to Warlord where I've had all mine and all have been perfect) but that aside and with the rest (most is in scale and I think all the main stuff is) I guess figure style / preference is a real thing and some will like what others don't. But some stuff was undeniably really good and best ever versions (like their Lawmasters, Citadels were junk) but regardless, the range is definitely in demand.
It sold out pretty much everywhere (and fast, and even slightly over-priced stuff), the painted studio figures Mongoose have been selling off on Ebay have been going for crazy money. I picked up the painted Nort, Souther KS units, and the original GI, Nort & Souther 3 pack for reasonable money as it was among the first to be sold off and not many were on it then. But the painted Dredd figures since then have been going for loads, the single painted Dredd (hands on hips, from the blister with Walter the Wobot, but sold off on its own without the painted Walter), just went for £65 + shipping. But then they also just sold off a Comms tower made out of margarine tubs and yogurt pot lids for about £20 too. And a cardboard box, that they got another £20 for by calling it a Mega-City One Tower block. And they're selling Traveller stuff off. Maybe Mongoose consider it mission accomplished, loads of cash in the bank and their pet gaming projects made real, they're selling up and retiring?
Going forward, if the range isn't continued, I can't see anyone ever going as far with the spread / depth of the range again, with things like Medi & Tech judge lawmasters, Holo-Judges, odd characters like Bat Burglar & Stan Lee, Vatican Judge etc. Will be worth as much if not more than the Citadel stuff one day, it will be rarer cuz not as much was sold and it's more delicate than theirs were. I'm sure though someone will pick up (at least some of) the range. If it's not a proper project I bet Warlord would still want it, or Wargames Foundry would to augment what they already have (and they do carry old abandoned ranges like some Citadel historic). I reckon though from that comment of Warlords, they're probably intending or at least hoping to take over entirely.
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I still think that given the way the gaming market is moving post Kickstarter, the future of the Dredd gaming franchise will be a glossy boardgame hybrid with plastic figures. Probably with expansions for themed perp gangs and characters. Think Dredd themed Zombicide.
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Going forward, if the range isn't continued, I can't see anyone ever going as far with the spread / depth of the range again, with things like Medi & Tech judge lawmasters, Holo-Judges, odd characters like Bat Burglar & Stan Lee, Vatican Judge etc. Will be worth as much if not more than the Citadel stuff one day, it will be rarer cuz not as much was sold and it's more delicate than theirs were. I'm sure though someone will pick up (at least some of) the range. If it's not a proper project I bet Warlord would still want it, or Wargames Foundry would to augment what they already have (and they do carry old abandoned ranges like some Citadel historic). I reckon though from that comment of Warlords, they're probably intending or at least hoping to take over entirely.
Personally for me, the 'unique' characters were a waste of time and effort, as I said earlier in the thread, it was a painter's range, not a gamer's one. How much gaming use does a Stan Lee, or a Vatican Judge really get? Really all I wanted out of the range was the main JD characters, then a bunch of perps, Citi-Def and civs. I really want to play a Block War game, but there's only half a dozen suitable models, how useless is that, when it's a defining feature of Mega City life?
As for Foundry, they won't do anything about anything, they're a textbook case of ineptitude in the wargaming industry.
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I still think that given the way the gaming market is moving post Kickstarter, the future of the Dredd gaming franchise will be a glossy boardgame hybrid with plastic figures. Probably with expansions for themed perp gangs and characters. Think Dredd themed Zombicide.
+1 That
I fully suspect, as with previous ranges, that a company, such as warlord will merrily continue to produce product that they can, when the dust settles. If they don't have the direct licence as such, they will wait to see which proxy stuff they can get away with as proxies.
Meanwhile, with the changes the last few years of ownership of the comics, IP, licences etc, I think the most likely issue here is the lack of information, namely no company has clearly stepped forward yet with press releases saying "ITS Ours Now".
I would not be surprised if in the next few short months we start seeing teasers for "new", "re-imagined" etc game releases related to the IP by a company and the gap or lack of info we have now is simply them getting ready to start that.
In fact as it seems the most popular thing of late, to catch more than just our hobby crowd, board games with expansion packs and plastic miniatures by the bucket-load (as Monolith are currently showing us). If done right and well, that honestly would be great.
Maybe just maybe we will finally see it done properly by someone with the right experience even via kickstarter if necessary.
To be honest if Monolith themselves turned round and said, after we finish our current KS we are doing Mega-city Wars/block wars Justice Dept, 2000AD related board game, I would be throwing my money at them even faster.
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Look at ThreeA though, who've pushed Mezco out of the Dredd license and taken over 2000AD 1/12th scale entirely, and have been given a monopoly on it at 1/6th scale. Mezco are like the 1/12th scale equivalent to the plastic board gaming you're suggesting (their last Dredd was knicknamed Disco Dredd cuz of his spandex suit), they've been binned cuz it seems the Brand owner wants something more real / cult.
ThreeA are an arthouse brand, like the Gorillaz videos, it's supposed to be cult and cool. I think the fact the brand owners going in so deep with them suggests they have proper plans for Dredd that are hopefully more serious / cultish than plastic board games.
edit - yes I agree it doesn't need those extra characters, I've bought very few, but they're good for roleplay gaming Dredd, and they're interesting figures to mix into a skirmish wargame to add a bit of 2000AD character & comedy. But re proper wargaming, I think that's where it was heading and why Warlord might take over. I wasn't part of it but read up on it recently, the end of the Rogue Trooper kickstarter had something about Dredd miniatures game Justice Department combat units. The most recent releases in the range were the Citi-Def reinforcements. I'm hoping at least some, the more military side of the range will return (I still need the East Meg reinforcements, the Judges with heavy weapons blisters, and a couple more Sentinels, they've been sold out all along and if they came up on ebay they'd likely be stupidly expensive). And yes Wargames Foundry are what they are, but it's because they are so successful they don't need to try and only do what they enjoy, they could do with this range (they don't even have lawmasters), I wouldn't be surprised if it is being ditched they'd be interested and would want to take it on, it's properly fun and Brit.
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I think the fact the brand owners going in so deep with them suggests they have proper plans for Dredd that are hopefully more serious / cultish than plastic board games.
That would mean prices that wargamers will not pay for limited run resin models, almost certainly not in 25/28mm sizing. Beautiful to own and paint but never to see action on the table.
The revenue to be had from the skirmish wargamers market is tiny compared to the collectables market so if it were to be a new range it would not be aimed at buyers like us.
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ThreeA do a different thing to how wargaming miniatures are, but they're a certain type of Company, the fact the brand owners have gone with them says that they're not willing to sell Dredd out. As a brand, compared to all the increasingly recently invented / plastic American action heroes, it has huge value because of how old / original it is, how politically incorrect it always was, it's not in anyway manufactured. The manufactured Dredd film (Stallone) did ok at the box office, never became cult, had no legs. The recent Dredd film failed at box office but has become cult and it's giving the whole thing momentum, because it's uncompromising and not sold out. Who knows what they'll do, but I think there's as good a chance it will finally come good, they'll do it properly (for enthusiasts and gamers to keep it cult).
edit - yes the figures are delicate and detail is lightly defined so they are harder to paint and not necessarily best seen on mass and at distance like in wargaming. But in the range there are whole combat units, like Citi-Def with uniformed officer, hvy weapons, medic, jaegar scout & jaeger sniper, the Judges in light & hvy holo-suits (like 40k terminators) the Brit-Cit judges, there's enough to create a proper Meg-1 fighting force with allies. And there's the East-Meg force and reinforcements that can be augmented with other ranges, same with the Cultists and also the Zombie blister (really good mixed with Pulp Weird Science figures, affordable quality metal figures). They've also licensed a Mars Attacks Dredd (it looks ace), and the Mars Attacks plastic figures are cheap and straightforward to paint (uniformity, simple design, plastic bubble helmets make average painted models look good), could create huge enemy force with that (led by a Martian Dredd, it has giant robots, flying saucers etc). Yes Warlord's Dredd range needs loads more to reduce figure repetition, and some more solid figures as unit builders, but it was a big step in the right direction (compared to what existed before, only Citadel & Foundry that was very limited) and judging by the Meg-1 combat units muted at the end of the Rogue Trooper kickstarter, hopefully where this is still heading.
BTW Martian Dredd (that I think is metal despite most of range being plastic), is much cheaper from Wayland or Element games than on Ebay. Don't know if they or Warlord sell the Martian grunts, giant robots, flying saucers, laser cannons etc and at better prices too, but ebay shows the range is big, cheap and potentially useful for fun wargames against MegaCity-1. Same with the troops from the Terminator game, or all the plastic zombie hordes, or if there's an Aliens game with plastic figures around yet etc, or old 40k plastic Tyrannids off that Space Hulk game). I think the Dredd range would work well as a hub to loads of fun affordable Sci-Fi wargaming. I'm going to try to take from the Dredd game rules, just use it as reference for special troop and character types and put it into Warhammer40k (just cuz it's easy and works).
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I think it was in a good position, considering the more modern trend of charcter-driven, low-model count, skirmish games on smaller tables.
The oddball stuff is great. I can get gangers or mutant standins from many companies to play with, but where else would I get sky surfers or bat gliders, kleggs or the iconic judges?
Those were the elements that made the range worth buying into.
I hope that whomever has the license will do something with miniatures, even if it isn't going to continue with these. I know not everyone agrees with me, but I think it is a shame that these look like they are disappearing.
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It will be a miniature license that Mongoose / Warlord had.
Interestingly, it is Mongoose that is not renewing/losing the license so as has already been said, it is quite possible that Warlord get it.
In which case I can see them keeping certain models from the range and ditching others.
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So who do we think has the licence now?
Warlord?
Mantic?
CMON?
GW?
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Not wishing to sound patronising but Mongoose still has the license at this point in time.
The sale is because the license is coming to an end. When it ends, they can't sell the miniatures at all. So the sale is to get shot of as much stock as possible by then.
Again, if we go back to the quoted email:
"As our license on Judge Dredd has almost reached its end, we are currently planning the future for its range and game and re-negotiating our agreements with the brand owners. This may mean that we may decide to modify the way the models will be available.
Please stay tuned on our website pages and newsletter for imminent news on Judge Dredd developments!" (He included the exclamation mark, not me)!
Now, if this is correct, it would appear that Warlord effectively took over the responsibility of the license from Mongoose. This would have been done with the agreement of the license holder - but probably would have been until the end of the original license term.
I am most intrigued about "modify the way the models will be available". Now, this is just me, but I wonder if that means they recognise that the range is patchy in terms of quality and continuity and that they will pick the models they feel have longevity and perhaps slowly replace the others. Perhaps quickly replace?
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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1990654819/judge-dredd-miniatures-game-block-war/posts/1723782
This seems contradictory to the Warlord email and I wish someone would give us a clear idea of what is going to happen.
IMPORTANT: There is a cut-off for this - November 25th. Moulds are being destroyed, so we will not be able to fulfil any missing items after this (not because we don't want to, but because we simply can't).
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Anyone actually E-mailed Warlord about this ?
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I did respond to the email Warlord sent me and asked if they were going to become available again at some point but didn't get a reply, which probably wasn't unwise of them considering I'd have blabbed it. But I can't help thinking there's too many figures only become available for general sale for the first time since it went into a flash sale, there's still unreleased stuff, there's too much unrealised potential / money waiting to be made. I think it must be Warlord taking over, and as others have said maybe reworking / limiting the range. It seems tied in with what's happening to Rogue Trooper KS, can't believe they'd abandon that it has really decent potential.
(And I've found a new enemy for my Mega-City 1 force to fight, anti-fascist Spectrum (Time-Lift) Agents (Captain Scarlet, and Captainess Pink), from Crooked Dice. Maybe helped by their Mk2 Cylons. I can't believe how many good figure ranges there are about these days).
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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1990654819/judge-dredd-miniatures-game-block-war/posts/1723782
This seems contradictory to the Warlord email and I wish someone would give us a clear idea of what is going to happen.
That's Mongoose's statement though isn't it?
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I think it was in a good position, considering the more modern trend of charcter-driven, low-model count, skirmish games on smaller tables.
The oddball stuff is great. I can get gangers or mutant standins from many companies to play with, but where else would I get sky surfers or bat gliders, kleggs or the iconic judges?
Those were the elements that made the range worth buying into.
I hope that whomever has the license will do something with miniatures, even if it isn't going to continue with these. I know not everyone agrees with me, but I think it is a shame that these look like they are disappearing.
Just to point out what I was talking about earlier. As an example Judges are easy, you could take a box of plastic GW Cadians and add these heads from Puppets of War...
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a605/andymac2105/Mobile%20Uploads/6E15AB94-4B59-4F39-9F3A-8B1519A6FDE8_zpsairujgnf.jpg) (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/andymac2105/media/Mobile%20Uploads/6E15AB94-4B59-4F39-9F3A-8B1519A6FDE8_zpsairujgnf.jpg.html)
Or use GW Adeptus Arbites...
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a605/andymac2105/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-10-18%2011.00.21_zpszenfr0jq.jpg) (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/andymac2105/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-10-18%2011.00.21_zpszenfr0jq.jpg.html)
There's 2 options without even trying. I think you just have to have a wee look about the interweb to find them and not just stick to official stuff!
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Those arbites are pretty rare though so its not exactly an easy option.
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Judges are a super elite force though and a tiny proportion of the Meg-1 population, so is it reasonable to have an entire wargaming army made up of only Judges / the Justice Department? I'm going to use them as either a small super elite vastly outnumbered force, or for a larger more balanced game, as officers / attached specialists for larger units of Civil Defence troops, and / or as specialist support units with only small numbers of Judges in. Maybe augment the Civil Defence force with adapted 40k Imperial Guard (if they are in scale, haven't checked yet). They have an eagle, maybe I could class them as Justice Department deputies / militia. (I think the Texas Judge could do with a posse of deputies, maybe made up of converted Imperial Guard, or sci-fi cowboys if I can find them, would work as an ally unit). There's even Kromlech Imperial Highlanders, they could be led by the Cal-Hab Judge. And it can all be augmented by units of robots, maybe those plastic conversion heads could be adapted to be Judge style robot heads and fitted to robot bodies to make mini-mechanismo's? I remember in the Apocalypse war series, the Judges were an elite in a much bigger MegaCity-1 resistance force.
There's loads of options cuz the canon is so inclusive & loose, Judge Dredd / 2000AD is proper pulp fiction, it can be whatever you want, it's just a theme / theatre. There's enough in the range to make it work in fun ways already, it was getting better all the time, it just needs for the range to be available to buy and to not be disappeared :-)
edit - but I'm definitely adding Sarah the Grim Reaper and Monica (Fury) Dunkledorf off the Lead Adventure shop to my Angel Gang. I'm going to have a proper Cursed Earth trailer trash mini army.
And again depending if the scale fits, GW's 40k space marine Sisters of Battle would make a great unit of fighting nuns to go with the Vatican Judge. And those Crooked Dice Time Lift Agents (Spectrum / Captain Scarlet) would work painted in their correct colours as a Department Store / Wealthy Block's security supporting (or fighting against) the Judges, or painted in a different uniform colour as general block security. Loads of options if you see the Judges as elite in a larger force.
And (again depending on scale) Blackballs AE WW2 American Buffalo would work well as a Holo-armour type thing for Citi-Defence.
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Sure, with a bit of work I could make proxies for things, but I prefer the genuine article.
I could call my bicycle a Harley and put baseball cards in the spokes, but that's not quite the same to me.
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:-) But as long as you've got the core of a valid Justice department & Citi-Defence force (which this Warlord range offered) wargaming it is viable, cuz it is totally inclusive sci-fi pulp fiction.
Just looking at Wargames Foundry, in old Citadel they have a pack of at the time non released Rogue Trader troops from 1987, that would work fantastically well as East-Meg SCS (or I guess KGB). Although looking at their badges in the photo, could be a double headed eagle, if so may still fit with Russian (as elite SCS), but could make an evil German Vril-Cit force (in evil Axis with the Vatican judge), augment them with original Rogue Trader space marines (with matching nubby paldrons) and Alt / sci-fi WW2 German stuff. And Foundry's Street Violence range vastly increases the Warlord perp / gang forces, and in that range their Mercenary Fire Team would work perfectly well as East-Meg militia or a Meg-1 street gang supporting East Meg (and they can be augmented with Soviet hvy infantry from Konflikt 47, that again have the star moulded onto them). Blackball AE WW2 do a ball tank that would work great as an East-Meg thing. edit - and Hydra's Robot Legionnaires would would fit in too. And, Wargames Supply Dump, Dick Garrison figures has Khonpian Guards that would work well as support troops for the Banana City Judge, another cool robot and even a load of Alien soldiers that look like Tharg for another enemy force (you lot may already know all this, but back to the miniatures hobby after so long, it's amazing how much good diverse stuff there is and that would work as proxy for obscure things no one will ever manufacture).
But it is obviously dependent on this proper Dredd Warlord range becoming commonly available again, I think it offers too much potential, fits too well into the mix of sci-fi pulp fiction skirmish wargaming for it to be abandoned. It's proper money to someone.
edit - properly on topic, looking back at Warlord's comments on the game & figure range they seemed to think it's a massive deal (they claimed Dredd / 2000AD is exactly their kind of thing having named themselves after Warlord comic, apparently), so hopefully they are going all in and this will just be a gap as Mongoose are dropping out.
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Been looking for proxies and slowly coming to the conclusion that you're right, finding Street & Cursed Earth Gang figures is ok, but East-Meg is a real problem. Only a handful of East-Meg figures in the Warlord range, 1 from Wargames Foundry, and a few East Meg SCS / KGB in their old Citadel stuff. The Warlord Dredd range did definitely need some unit builder box sets with separate / poseable arms and weapon choices, for Meg 1 Citi-Def and East Meg Judges / Militia. I have something like 40 Meg-1 Judges plus holo suits & Citi Defence, versus approx 10 East Meg judges & their 1 Sentinoid :-(
Konflick 47 Soviet seemed like they might be good but they're a tiny bit too small. Does anyone know how Infinity Corvus Belli scale to the Warlord Dredd figures? Their old style Line Kazak's (Cossacks) might work as East Meg Citi-Defence.
Also, how do Urban War Vasa Suppressors scale up to Warlord Dredd?
BTW, the old Starship Trooper Grizzly's that Mongoose designed and ended up turning into the Dredd holo-suit 2, are being manufactured again by an American Company called Rebel Mini's and are now called Earth Force Widowmaker Class Battlesuits, and they look like an easy conversion to East Meg holo-suits (if there was such a thing, just some small remodelling required to the helmet to alter visor to same shape as East Meg and replace the helmet crest with a circle for the star, it's knee pads are similar to the ex-Citadel Foundry Soviet SCS judges nubby paldron). No UK supplier for them though.
edit - if anyone is still looking for stock before it all disappears, the Troll Trader (a distributor, search google) has Renegade Robots, Cursed Earth Desperado's, and Citi-Def box sets left, at £27 each post free, not bad as normal list price was £30.
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Any help? There's Statuesque, Foundry, Void(the blue girl in the middle) and Mongoose in there. Plus Antenocities Workshop drones....
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a605/andymac2105/Mobile%20Uploads/20160504_150244_zps3nqbxph1.jpg) (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/andymac2105/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160504_150244_zps3nqbxph1.jpg.html)
Edit:.....oh and Games Workshop as well!
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I've still got a few resin copies of Judge Minty left....
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z174/Dagenhameast/Minty/FrothersCharityMiniaturecopys-1.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/Dagenhameast/media/Minty/FrothersCharityMiniaturecopys-1.jpg.html)
Anyone wants one, drop me a PM - all proceeds go to Cancer Research
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Thanks AndyM that helps loads, looks like the Corvus Belli scale is tiny bit smaller than Citadel, so same as Warlord Dredd and their line Kazaks will be ok as East Meg Citi-Def / Militia. They have cool bikes too, for Meg1 Street and Cursed Earth gangs.
edit - and really nice scenery too. Not even started on that yet (getting back into hobby after many years I have almost zero existing stuff, I left it all with former friends). Seem to be loads of options these days though, Tablescapes look good).
Re that Judge Minty, that's worth loads. From what I could work out, Mongoose seem to have sold stuff off on ebay under a couple of different identities, maybe just different individuals or maybe departments - painted figures from their studio and separately normal stock from either their retail or their retail distributors. I got 2 Flying Squad & 4 Space Judges off what I think was their retail for £2 each, and 2 Mk1 holo Judges for £4 each, good deal for a Meg1 assault unit), and they also had a metal Judge minty like the resin you've pictured, but with a resin scenic base with the Cursed Earth sign with Judges helmet on, asking £30 + shipping for it, they sold it almost instantly. I was too spent out on just catching up with the normal range though before it disappears, maybe it's time to raid the pennies jar :-)
edit - btw where are the vehicles from, they look excellent. And a different style Lawmaster? I have so much catching up to do. edit - Antenocits, excellent, thanks.
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*think* I've still got a couple of the bases left and certainly got the mould for the sign.... just have to spin some up ;)
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Wow, after searching through google & so many stockists for ordinary figures from the range that are getting like gold dust now, I'm in awe. This is a crazy business with the range suddenly maybe being finished forever and chasing remaining stock trying to catch up.
I've been watching some amazing stuff go by, like earlier on the studio pro+ painted judges (the same ones as pictured in the rulebooks, properly collectible) going on ebay for approx only £10 each, only double the price of normal unpainted ones, and couldn't afford them cuz so much of the normal range I needed to buy before it disappeared, and then I got distracted buying the studio painted Norts & Southers, which were a great deal but I didn't really need them.
I may well be back to you on Judge Minty when & if my finances ever recover :-)
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Not wishing to sound patronising but Mongoose still has the license at this point in time.
Don't worry, you'd be hard pressed to make me feel like I'd been truly patronised. Anyway, it'll be interesting to see who gets trusted with the licence now that Matt has truly wasted it.
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Someone definitely needs to manufacture this range, there's so much of it I've missed. Judges with hvy weapons (stub & lazooka), East Meg Reinforcements, all the ABC Warriors, loads.
One thing I have found in an obscure shop on my travels round the net is an old Mongoose Citi-Def 3 figure blister pack, with Commander, Medic, and a soldier. It's really hard to tell from the picture, but they look like different figures to ones in the Citi-Def box set. The code for the blister is MGP 7066, and it's old, it's label spells them as City Def.
Anyone know what they are and if they are different?
edit - found the original studio painted ones Mongoose sold off on ebay last month, different uniform but still genuine Mega-City1. Though the officer has a tash, so maybe Brit-Cit.
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Someone definitely needs to manufacture this range, there's so much of it I've missed. Judges with hvy weapons (stub & lazooka), East Meg Reinforcements, all the ABC Warriors, loads.
One thing I have found in an obscure shop on my travels round the net is an old Mongoose Citi-Def 3 figure blister pack, with Commander, Medic, and a soldier. It's really hard to tell from the picture, but they look like different figures to ones in the Citi-Def box set. The code for the blister is MGP 7066, and it's old, it's label spells them as City Def.
Anyone know what they are and if they are different?
edit - found the original studio painted ones Mongoose sold off on ebay last month, different uniform but still genuine Mega-City1. Though the officer has a tash, so maybe Brit-Cit.
They're probably from the earlier Gangs of Mega City 1 game. They did a box of plastic perps for it too.
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Yes I found that game and the gang box set for sale in America on ebay.com. As well as this CD command in metal, they've also done at least another group of CD troopers (with heavy weapons), found a review on them from 2011 and looked good enough & very useful but no mention of them having been for sale anywhere. It's not really very encouraging, Mongoose seem to have a trend of creating figures and starting ranges they then drop and move on from, the figures just disappear into the past. Warlord (or someone) really need to be picking this up, it's too much to lose especially before it was really completed (I realise now it did need variable unit builder troops / box sets for wargaming like others have said). I didn't realise how hard find proxies would be, especially for East Meg, the figures (and Dredd overall) has a style that isn't really there in other ranges.
edit - but this CD command actually seems to have been for this game (it's blister card is same as Dredd Minatures). Maybe it was for the previous Gangs game, got into production too late, just as they were ditching that game and starting this one, so was used as a filler till they did new CD troops for this. And then loads in this range arrived a bit too late...
edit - for reference it was these 3 below, ebay item no: 351875519392
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Judge-Dredd-2000AD-Citi-Def-Soldiers-x-3-PRO-PAINTED-/351875519392?hash=item51ed6a53a0:g:04QAAOSwZJBX~ikH
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In case people are still looking for stock, this may help.
There's a trader on ebay in Spain, whose listing their stuff in an odd category so it's not coming up in normal ebay searches. He seems to have quite a bit and when an item sells, within a few hours or days he's selling it again so I don't know how much but he does have some stock, if you've just missed something he was selling he may have another if you ask him.
He has (had until just now, may have more of, like I just bought a Fattie & East Meg box set off him, I expect he'll restock them later), a Fattie, Brit-Cit judges box set, Dredd on Lawmaster, East Meg Invasion Force, Mechanismo's, Dredd with Walter Wobot, the Rogue Troopers, Specialist Judges & Heroes Judges box sets, mini-bots etc - quite a lot of the (main) stuff that's sold out everywhere else. You can find his listings under Trader name pepon84dj (once into his listings search them for Dredd).
Prices are only a tiny bit more than the normal stock price of the items (not cuz he's a rip off, just cuz of poor exchange rate, but also in some cases cheaper), and shipping is very cheap, Spain is in EU so no import duty etc. It's a tough buy cuz a few weeks back this stuff was very cheap in Warlord's sale, but now it's disappearing out of stock, if the range isn't put back into manufacture, if you still need them one day soon these will look like bargains, outside of mates and lucky finds at events, far as ebay goes chances are you'll have no chance of getting them at all, certainly not at fair prices. This Dredd range is a mare, Warlord / Mongoose isn't Citadel / GW's, much less of it circulating than GW's Dredd stuff and not with kids, mostly only with proper enthusaists who will want to keep what they have, so it'll be more rare, and Dredd is so UK & iconic / prominent here within the interested community, there's not going to be old stock lying about in UK, and Europe and USA not enough volume of keen interest to have been carrying much stock (plus importing from USA for more than £15 value including shipping is very expensive, even if you can get them to declare it as a gift to avoid VAT it will still get handling & duty charges).
edit - also, he combines items and refunds postage if you ask him too, and can trust him to do it after sale. I asked after I bought several things seperately, he refunded me postage straight away & generously, to the point I seem to have paid virtually no postage on any items :-P
I don't believe there is any stock of this next stuff left anywhere as I've really checked (even with the distributors / wholesalers), but if anyone does know of anyone who is selling East Meg Reinforcements, Street Judges with Heavy Weapons (lazooka & stub gun), Sentanoids (on their own in blister, not in East Meg box set), Zombie Queen with zombie Judge, zombie horde conversion pack, or ABC Warriors please PM me. Thanks
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Thanks AndyM that helps loads, looks like the Corvus Belli scale is tiny bit smaller than Citadel, so same as Warlord Dredd and their line Kazaks will be ok as East Meg Citi-Def / Militia. They have cool bikes too, for Meg1 Street and Cursed Earth gangs.
edit - btw where are the vehicles from, they look excellent. And a different style Lawmaster? I have so much catching up to do. edit - Antenocits, excellent, thanks.
The bike is GW Space Marine bike with a green stuff eagle sculpted over it and the tank and all the cars are, rightfully, Antenocities. Again GS for the eagle on the tank.
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=72345.75 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=72345.75)
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To make the eagle a little easier to sculpt on the space marine bike, you could always use the ravenwing version which already has wings . . . just need an eagle head then.
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Excellent thanks. I'm still to experience the green stuff, when I left the hobby milliput was still the thing.
I think I'm sorted with Meg1 wargaming forces now (except for needing Judges hvy weapons blister), the Warlord / Mongoose range had just about enough in it to make it work (which was a huge step forward on what was available otherwise). Except if it's in scale will look at converting a Blackball AE WW2 Buffalo to Citi-Def (just adding embossed chunky CD lettering). It's the East Meg forces that will be the real problem, going to have to try & convert quite a bit. Look at modifying what Warlord had to avoid duplication & create variance, maybe convert a couple of Grizzly's into East Meg holo suits by remodeling their visor and helmet crest. The Sov Judges are quite spacey in a pulp fiction kind of way, bit early Star Trek or even Flash Gordon, not much in other ranges has enough of a slick comic book look to fit with it, it's all too hard core gritty military. Infinity Kazak line (old style is quite comic book) and maybe Urban War Vasa Marines is about it. Maybe Pulp Radon Zombies as clone troops?
I've found what others said previously is correct, the range was nearly there, could have been great with just a bit more thought. Block war needs another set of Citi-Def and some armed civilians, Apocalypse War again needs armed civilians and some proper depth in East Meg forces. Missed opportunity as it was and really bad if it's gone for good and no more.
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These Neo-Sovs would make great East Megger militia or OAP-KGB/terrorists.
http://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/list.php?cat=1&sub=32&page=1
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Thanks, they're excellent, the Command pack look useful but are maybe a bit too down to earth military. Maybe it's just the way Warlord painted them though in plain metal they still give the impression, the Sov Judges are like Romulans or something, sinister in a very slick way. These looked good below, comic book style, more discontinued figures I was lucky to find.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=142089505013&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&LH_Sold=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=TF94EA&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=3&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=50&LH_Complete=1
And may one day get the mercenary fire team gang, after I;ve painted what I've got so far :-) Lots in that Street Violence range useful for Mega1 gangs.
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/our-ranges/street-violence/streets-collection-bcsv001/
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The old Citadel Judge Giant is available from miniature heroes at the moment: http://miniature-heroes.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=516_517_544&products_id=29142
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I still have all my old Citadel Dredd stuff I bought at the time but somewhere else, need to pick it up and check through what I have (all Judges and perps, no exotics like fatties but know I have a Judge Giant). I'm assuming most is going to be slightly too big but I'll see. They probably did the best Dredd, probably best Anderson too, and their Judge Reed was hot :-) Probably best Judge Death too, more decayed than the modern ones that just look too well fed. And their Angel Junior looked maddest of all. Hope they don't get the licence back though, everything new they did would be properly too big and I'm too invested in the more delicate Warlord range now.
There's loads of old Citadel Dredd stuff on ebay but it's crazy prices for stuff the dog didn't chew. Miniature Heroes price is really good though, thnks for link I'll keep an eye on their site :-)
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Dredd's a definite style though and it's about fitting stuff in, and it's skirmish wargaming so individual figures get more attention, I think the right look & avoiding duplication helps immersion loads (and helps to motivate the effort to paint them well too, whole thing feeds off itself). Plus I want to concentrate on just one or 2 things, this, Captain Scarlet, maybe Rocket people, worth getting it right for the time it takes to paint them. Mongoose's old Gangs of Meg1 plastic troops had 2 citi-def in, and although apparently not good models (at least to try & work with, I think one is wearing the sign in the middle of the photo on previous page & looks excellent to me), they just look right and were posable. It's the uniforms and cartoon style, most other ranges look too real or are trying too hard. It's only a problem because the Warlord / Mongoose range was nearly there now it's potentially gone permanently. I hope this is just a gap and someone means to take this on and fill it out for wargaming / block war (that I thought was Mongoose's objective at one point), & Apoc War.
Found a few that fit in enough though (with East Meg as their Citi-Def / militia / military support), Kazak line old style, they even have a guy who I'm going to guess could pen a Holo Mk2 :-)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Infinity-BNIB-Ariadna-TankHunter-Autocannon-Ariadna-/390949928196?hash=item5b066e7d04:g:uSwAAOSwF1dUO8f4
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I have to agree with you there.
Nothing to stop anyone playing JD without 'official' figures.
People have been 'doing Dredd' for ages without any prompting.
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Agreed. "Official" didnt make the range good or consistant.
Too much is made of 'official' lines these days when there are so many alternatives out there.
My memories of Dredd are topical things at the time being written into storylines. Perps were everything and anything. Inspirations were clear to see. I believe there were even some crossovers.
Could be imagining it but I'm pretty sure I have seen Dredd vs Aliens but that may have been more recently.
The only representations that dont really exist are the more specific races.
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Could be imagining it but I'm pretty sure I have seen Dredd vs Aliens but that may have been more recently.
Don't know about Alien, but definitely Dredd vs. Pred
So I am quite happy with the few Predator models I have, a handful of judges and Sov judges, and stuff from other ranges from Necromunda gangs to Urban War Junkers (who, come to think of it, could be Imperial Roman style Judges).
(http://images-cdn.ecwid.com/images/1594047/54359226.jpg)
These would be interesting....
(http://www.celtoslegion.de/urbanwar/metropolis/images/junker_clau_1_lg.jpg)
OOP I think, but some boxed sets are still available for sale.
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Scotia Grendel still stock them, and now you have gotten me looking at them:
http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=60_74&sort=20a&page=1
Damn you, sir!
You are a terrible influence.
>:D >:D ;)
Edit: The Militia would be viable armed civvies for Block Wars too.....
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Scotia Grendel still stock them, and now you have gotten me looking at them:
http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=60_74&sort=20a&page=1
Damn you, sir!
You are a terrible influence.
>:D >:D ;)
Edit: The Militia would be viable armed civvies for Block Wars too.....
Even though I omitted a link to Scotia Grendel? ;) :D
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But if you take that to it's logical conclusion, you don't even need any leads, Airfix 1/72nd would do.
It's the figures more than the gaming for me, from the point I was a tiny kid and found the figures from Ralph Bakshi's LOTR's film, long time before all the gaming really took off. The styles are / can be real art and getting it right so everything looks right together makes a big difference to the immersion, feel of it all and motivation. And I'm too long immersed in Dredd and the 2000AD style, remember buying the first issue for the frizbee thing. Maybe if you get strong influences and opinions as a kid you're more stuck with them. And I've made do mixing figures forever, however much fun it always looks a mess, I'm determined to finally get something really right :-)
Mongoose just had it right with the style in this range, and it was definitely them rather than Warlord, their original Gangs of MegaCity1 had plastic figures in but some of them were a couple of Judges they used for this when it started, the whole range is their styling. They're definitely stepping out of this licence / range, even if someone took it on and made it available again wouldn't know what to expect from any new releases, style might not fit at all. It's just bad or at least serious news.
It's a mare not knowing if this will come back into production again or not, still missing a couple of box sets I want that I can get from obscure retailers in Europe but the exchange rate and shipping is making them very expensive. And I'm still missing a couple of blisters I need that I have no chance of ever getting as things are now, save for odd ebay lucky finds that I'll have to pay loads for.
Re figures that fit the range, Konflikt 47 at true 28mm is definitely a bit too small (and think many other ranges might be same), but Infinity (at 30mm) match perfectly, the new stuff is too realistc and busy, but their OOP versions have exactly the same future comic / 2000AD style. I've now amassed an East Meg militia unit of around 14 figures out of them that look right next to the Soviet Judges. Still a big disparity against the volume of Meg1 forces I have (around 40 Judges + approx 15 Citi Def), but it's good enough for now and maybe once I've painted all these the range will be back on it's feet.
And yes Urban War stuff looks excellent. ScotiaGrendal's Void 1.1 Vasa Marines would make a great force of deputies for the Vatican or Banana City Judge, or as henchmen for a figure like Oola Blint, camp Batman style.
edit - re the robots are they Titan's? I bought a load of the Epic stuff when it came out (even have a ton of the original GW's 6mm metal space marines), packed in a box I did nothing with. I shall have a look if there's any Titans.
edit - another (I think old style) Infinity figure. Citi-Def / armed civilian (construction worker)? I have a 2nd CD command group that Mongoose released for Gangs of Meg1, offered on this range for a very short time before replacing them with the CD box set. Different CD uniform that I have no chance of matching in other figures, so they need some armed civilians for them to command:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Infinity-BNIB-Ariadna-Dozers-Field-Engineers-Akrylat-Kanone-/311130497293?hash=item4870d2a10d:g:rKwAAOSwAHZUO8kU
though may need knee pads and boots sculpting on, or chopping off above the knee and pinning on some Mega1 boots. Though maybe good as it is, I'll see.
This one is just good to go as East Meg militia / Citi-Def in a uniform they did on around 12 figures.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Infinity-BNIB-Ariadna-Line-Kazak-Missile-Launcher-/390949924180?hash=item5b066e6d54:g:Z6gAAOSwU9xUO8dw
edit - actually that's an excellent idea for Roman style judges, maybe forces to support the Vatican Judge?
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Even though I omitted a link to Scotia Grendel? ;) :D
You know exactly what you did!
>:D >:D ;)
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You know exactly what you did!
>:D >:D ;)
:D
It did backfire though, I had never bought some of the interesting stuff they have - the female officer fits in with JD really well, and I just had to get a support weapon (which I might modify to fire stumm gas)..... so I got hoist by my own petard.
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Too much is made of 'official' lines these days when there are so many alternatives out there.
This is a visually driven hobby.
Dredd's universe has some prominent characters, as well as a fairly unique look and feel.
"Official" here refers to miniatures that fit the established visuals of the setting, as opposed to "official" being something more along the lines of "if you play this game, you must use that company's official miniatures."
If you are happy converting and playing with non-Dredd stuff as Dredd, that's great. I have plenty of those models in my collection.
If you want something designed to fit the setting, that's great. I have plenty of those models in my collection.
Could be imagining it but I'm pretty sure I have seen Dredd vs Aliens but that may have been more recently.
The stories were called Incubus, I think.
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I like fun figures :-)
Heads up. For those not getting advanced notice from being in contact from the kickstarter, Ebay user name Altsain (Mongoose) have put a new load of stuff on for sale, the studio painted ABC's on auction that will rocket, but some cheap character blisters too.
edit - do I need a Bat Burglar? It may be my last ever chance. Do I need another Oola Blint?
edit - and damn, looking at sold listings they had more on earlier today, exactly the ones I desperately needed. Hopefully some to traders and they'll resell them in a week or two. This is such a train crash of a situation, I don't get why someone can't say what's going to happen with the range going forward cuz in the mean time it's getting desperate & expensive.
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Let me tempt you with more proxies... ;)
Heresy Miniatures have some troopers that could work as City-Def:
(http://heresyminiatures.com/shop/images/sliders/slider_troopers.jpg)
http://heresyminiatures.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_61 (http://heresyminiatures.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_61)
And a must-have for any Block War; a full gang:
(http://heresyminiatures.com/shop/images/large/tcgangsuperdeal.jpg)
http://heresyminiatures.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_15 (http://heresyminiatures.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_15)
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It's good but in respect of it being finished it's not encouraging the rulebook is now free. Or maybe it is, the more people into it the more chance the figures have of coming back, the range was so big (and still growing) and pricey I doubt many have got everything from it they'd have liked, and if they've grabbed cheap stuff in the fire sale it just means they're even more invested.
Thanks for the link to Hydra, I thought I hadn't known about them, then I saw their Firefly Haylee and remembered I did find them, saw that & immediately ran away. I shall have a closer look, some of their figures look great.
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The fire sale parasites and exploiters have started, Heroes of Mega City One box set is now on ebay BNIB on a buy now, £50.56 (for 6 figures). If I want a Judge Cals retinue box set, it'll cost me £45 (and only one box left anywhere). Already paid £40 a piece for 2 East Meg box sets, but have no hope of ever getting the East Meg reinforcements and so a Sov female or Sov PSI judge, or East Meg Judge with an anti-armour heavy weapon (rocket launcher), or indeed a Meg1 Judge with an anti-armour hvy weapon (Lazooka). It's getting depressing, I may give up and play Captain Scarlet instead. Or Infinity, they have some cool figures and it's no more expensive than this has become, in fact it's cheaper.
I don't get why they didn't prepare more stock to see the sale through (it was meant to run through November, as it was they were sold out before end of October, a lot was sold out before the sale even started). And not to make money (although they'd have made some) but to satisfy the (supposedly fellow) enthusiasts that had supported the game & range (not just in KS but overall) and to stop people getting ripped off, as it is they've just dumped it and run, left people who'd started to get involved and invest well short and in a mess.
BTW Warlord has the apes on bikes back in stock but their free post offer has just ended.
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This is a visually driven hobby.
Dredd's universe has some prominent characters, as well as a fairly unique look and feel.
Like I said, to a degree. A lot of the random perps were pretty generic.
The most iconic characters you could struggle with finding accurate or passable alternatives but a the end of the day, Dredd is such a dynamic setting that you could introduce more or less anything to your games with a passable back story. Because Dredd often did itself.
Things like the fatties would be the hardest to find alternatives, and I accept that. But for things like bloc wars, gangs etc. You can literally more or less introduce anything you like.
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^ Definitely, it's complete pulp fiction, it's why I decided to go with it, it makes a fantastic hub to pretty much any sci-fi gaming, each enemy force a different spoke, the spokes can fight against Meg1 Authorities or against one another (so it's not even restricted to Dredd / 2000AD), it's not restricted to only urban as there's Cursed Earth, fighting in ruins of Meg2 etc. ScotiaGrendal Void 1.1 Vasa marines make a great deputy force for the Banana City Judge (or some arch criminal like an Oola Blint figure), their Void 1.1 & Urban War Junkers (that someone pointed out earlier in the thread and great suggestion) would make a great neo-Roman force for the Vatican Judge, those could ally and fight Meg 1. Wargames Foundry's old citadel Sov Judges (that look uber evil) would make ace German Vril City Judges (led by Copplestones Hitler bot) who could be in an Axis with the Vatican and Banana City / Argentina, and fight Meg1 over the disputed Falklands (having discovered penguin oil is anti-ageing). Anything. Except, East Meg is the obvious enemy, although the range offered so much more than had previously been available, it was still threadbare for creating even a skirmish based wargaming force, and knackered without those East Meg reinforcements.
If this is the permanent end of the range / these figures, I think Mongoose & Warlord (or one or the other, don't know who's calling shots) needed to make more stock available to see it out, to help people complete what they got them to start and profited from them starting. It (and those people) have just been dumped, when Warlord announced their Dredd sale they didn't say anything about it being discontinued or even clearly state it wasn't being restocked, they claimed the sale was simply due to a Dredd or Dredd game anniversary.
edit - and found the robots were Junkers not Titans, they'd fit in great if I do a Vatican judge force which is likely, those Junkers are excellent and with decent variety, thanks :-) Too pretty / refined for East Meg though.
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Altsain on ebay (Mongoose) have just put a load of different bundles of judges on cheap. (!!!) Not much quantity, will be gone fast...
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If this is the permanent end of the range / these figures, I think Mongoose & Warlord (or one or the other, don't know who's calling shots) needed to make more stock available to see it out, to help people complete what they got them to start and profited from them starting.
That's not a good business model though is it? Produce more stock to supply a sale in which they are probably making minimal return. It's a sell off sale because their license is coming to an end. They don't want to be left with any stock because when it ends, they wont be able to sell it . . . . so they want to have as little as possible. For me, it just looks like they haven't been reordering more stock as it ran out, slowly. Then with levels relatively low they announced the sale. That is pretty typical of businesses drawing the line under a range throughout industries.
It (and those people) have just been dumped, when Warlord announced their Dredd sale they didn't say anything about it being discontinued or even clearly state it wasn't being restocked, they claimed the sale was simply due to a Dredd or Dredd game anniversary.
Well that's not the email I got from Mongoose which stated it was a sale due to the license coming to a close. But as already said, there is a business at hand and they can't lose money just to support the odd person that may still be taking their time to buy in 'hard'. Especially considering that this range has been around for quite some time now.
IMHO the only thing people can be frustrated with is that some of the models from the kickstarter will not be available now, outside of that kickstarter - they will not make it to retail.
It is frustrating, but whether they had announced the sale better or not those miniatures they had would have sold out quickly. Again, I suspect that before any sale came along they already had started to happily sell out of items in preparation for the end of the license. So, in turn even if they had told you or anyone else, you still would not have been satisfied with the availability of the range.
You just sort of have to take it as it is, as with any similar situation in any product industry. You have to look for the signs yourself. It's frustrating but it is also life.
I was not a point in my hobby where I was fully aware of Rackham when they were popular, relatively inexpensive and quite widely available. Having really found out about them not long before they disappeared. It's just one of those things you have to accept and that something similar will reappear in the future.
With Dredd, at least it is something that exists in terms of the comics etc and so that license will always be there for someone to pick up. And undoubtedly it will. And with any luck, improvements will be made.
No point fretting at this point until we know anything for sure.
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Well yes, but this is supposed to be an enthusiasts thing. I think even uber self interested & grabbing GW would have given people a proper heads up before it was too late. It certainly wouldn't have cost them anything to have carried stock for the sale, they'd have still made something off it. Maybe a lot, I'd guess they've underestimated the demand as I think most would have sold out regardless, without much or even any discount at all, and just by people being informed it was their last chance. And yes I know the Kickstarter's have been informed which is good and only right, but there's only something like 350 of those, there are many more outside of that circle just as interested & to some degree invested (if I'd have known about the KS's, I'd have paid full wack at the start into both Dredd & Rogue Trooper). Outside of the KS's, no one was given a heads up at all, it's just crashed on them.
I'm just frustrated cuz I've missed critical blisters (that were probably sold out long before the sale cuz they're such obvious necessities). Won't get them now but did well in that last load Altsain put on ebay :-)
edit - and one of those Judges bundles Altsain put on ebay and is still available right now has the Accountancy Judge in that I never saw for sale ordinarily. And the Perp bundle has a hvy weapons punk I've also never seen for sale and that's a lighter colour likes it's only just been cast, maybe a spare from kickstarter they're only fulfilling now?
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Well yes, but this is supposed to be an enthusiasts thing. I think even uber self interested & grabbing GW would have given people a proper heads up before it was too late.
Pretty sure that GW has removed items etc without any warning. Things like the terrain for WHFB when AoS came along . . . which they have brought some items back for temporarily, I guess when old stock was sent from the stores back to HQ. GW doesn't really have an early warning system, and nor would they want to take sales away from new products . . . .
It certainly wouldn't have cost them anything to have carried stock for the sale, they'd have still made something off it.
Are you serious? The chances are some of the molds would need replacing (another reason they may have let some stock run out a while ago), metal, cost of time for the casting staff . . . . and they were selling at what, around 50% in some cases which is good even for a trader discount . . . . . and again, you completely ignored what I said before was about trying to avoid having an overstock.
Maybe a lot, I'd guess they've underestimated the demand as I think most would have sold out regardless, without much or even any discount at all, and just by people being informed it was their last chance. And yes I know the Kickstarter's have been informed which is good and only right, but there's only something like 350 of those, there are many more outside of that circle just as interested & to some degree invested (if I'd have known about the KS's, I'd have paid full wack at the start into both Dredd & Rogue Trooper). Outside of the KS's, no one was given a heads up at all, it's just crashed on them.
I'm just frustrated cuz I've missed critical blisters (that were probably sold out long before the sale cuz they're such obvious necessities). Won't get them now but did well in that last load Altsain put on ebay :-)
I don't wish to sound harsh, but I think you have over-estimated the popularity of the range. I was one of the 350 KS backers and backed for a single judge and I was disappointed with that. I planned to pledge more but was disappointed with what I saw in the KS. I know several in my immediate network of gamer buddies that were the same.
And just look at this thread. Plenty of Dredd love, but very, very, very few people genuinely that vocal about being bothered by this. You have many such as myself, who may have bought one or two had they been in the sale. But the fact that we hadn't bought them already speaks for itself really. Then you have a majority on this thread saying they are happy with alternative sources - and have been sourcing alternatives even though this range existed.
To me that says all you need to know. This has been far from a well handled license and not the best range of miniatures you will ever see for such a well known and well followed character and universe.
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Well I spent a decade working at senior level in Marketing, and before that in logistics, and before that in off-set litho print with all the lead time issues, it still makes no sense to me that a sale that was supposed to run till end of November was so heavily discounted (and the range in such demand) it was sold out before end of October with people paying well over the normal list price to try and grab out of stock stuff that's popped up on ebay, it's just money been poured away and people left short. It's definitely not like anything has been so not wanted it's had to be returned, it's all selling like it's hot. If they'd managed the exit properly, for the sake of their customers, it would have more than wiped its face. And it prompts a big question of the game, or at least figure range, I think demand that's showing itself now as it threatens to disappear proves it has a decent future if they get it's exposure right, the demand is there. Apart from the fact it's Dredd and so is always going to have credibility and a market, it fits too well into all the modern urban skirmish games to be abandoned.
edit - re most people aren't into the range, I think there's probably a split between those still deeply immersed in the hobby (who'd have been most likely to hear about the kickstarter), who are balancing this against other ranges and making comparative judgements based on value, and a far larger population of middle aged Dredd fans who could get into this because it's exactly right for them (it has proper credibility and means something in a way most of the hobby doesn't), because they're getting to an age they're looking for hobbies and this would fit, but because it's so buried in the hobby, it's passed many of them by. You should see the volume of these middle aged people playing things like WOT's, looking for an interest and not really finding it.
And I think a lot of the figures are quality (though like anything could have been done better). They're like the old Runequest Citadel ones, delicate stylised fine art. Those Runequest figures were the last gasp of decent miniatures before Citadel went slotta and into chunky charactures, which was a large part of what made me lose interest. These figures got my interest back, I think Mongoose did a good job.
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But there is no evidence of the quantity of the demand.
Items have sold out but we have no knowledge of the stock level prior to the sale. We don't know.
You are making a lot of assumptions that we won't know the answer to.
And you took my example of GW out of context. I was merely providing an example to disprove your point, not suggesting that Warlord were receiving stock back and selling it.
If you are well practiced in marketing and logistics as you say, then you'll know that demand spikes during sales because of the price. Much like any holiday sale period. People will often buy something they wouldn't have considered before due to the drastically reduced price.
What you are left with is essentially figures that just back that if something was cheaper more people may buy it. Plus you have to factor in that for some of those people, they did so with the knowledge that the product may not be available again. And that it may be some time before Dredd miniatures are seen in any form.
That is very different to saying that this range of products is a viable range to go forward with at this time.
But as I said before, they will have known the actual demand before the sale, and had the range been as popular as you are suggesting, they would have been in discussions for some time in advance of this situation and just kept producing the miniatures. As this does not seem to be the case (although again, no one can be sure) one can only assume that Warlord knew what they were doing and knew that there was nothing in it for them to produce extra product just to sell off cheaply.
I know of no other industry that does that. Usually sales are to win consumers over to the product, to help reduced overstocks of items - sometimes perishables or fashionable items that will no longer be popular.
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I'm gauging things by how fast things have sold off on ebay and from stockists, and the bidding wars that have taken place on ebay. And it can't all be tipped off kickstarters, they have most if not all of the range already. And it has so much more potential cuz lots of the ancillary stuff crosses over into pulp gaming and would work there, if they'd listed stuff better (just like if they'd marketed the game wider, to the larger pulp gaming / interest market) so non informed had seen it too, I think it would have gone ever faster and for even more money.
edit - and in case it was missed, Altsain (Mongoose) on ebay has bundles with the Accountancy Judge in, and a Perp I've never even seen before and looks like a new cast.
edit - I do agree in that I think they had a problem with pricing all along. It conflicts, on one hand you only need a small volume of figures so they're higher price, but actually you need tons of figures to achieve freedom in the game. They needed to open it up to wargamers more, some cheaper unit builder packs and some volume deals, they needed to come up with more affordable scenery. On Dredd, Warlord seemed to propose it was £20 a building, you can get a whole Infinity sector for that. I think it was too exclusive & niche enthusiast for something that should have been much more mainstream. Maybe that's what the brand owner has realised and is thinking of going back to Citadel?
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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1990654819/judge-dredd-miniatures-game-block-war
649 KS backers.
Around half pledged $40 or less.
That itself doesn't include things like add-ons in the pledge manager etc. But I think your assumption that these people are not original KS backers trying to complete their collection or what they want for their collection could also be wrong.
You make so many assumptions - too many.
Now you are talking about marketing a sale better so that it could justify them producing more product for it?!! That's fine for an annual sale, but not an end of line sale. The whole point of an end of line sale is that it is the end of the line. The end of the production line. Discontinued etc.
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I'm sure like the vast majority though I didn't even know about it, I'd never even heard of kickstarters before I came across the Rogue Trooper one a few weeks back when searching the net trying to work out where the Nort figures I'd happened to see a photo of were from. I think the majority of the market for 2000AD / Dredd left the gaming hobby a long time back, driven out by GW, driven into Total War and then things like WOT's. (They had a high point with Judge Dredd roleplaying & Call of Cthulhu, when that fell off a cliff into 40k steroid marines, griffen cavalry & Dwarvish helicopters people quit, it was getting dramatically younger as they were becoming adults). Fishing the existing hobbyists is just coal to Newcastle, it's no particular hook to them, but for those who dropped out because GW made it all about overblown caricatures fitted into their Harry Potter type nonsense world (their influence $$$$ed the LOTR's or at least Hobbit films), it's exactly the right hook to get them back into it. Reaching them is the problem but it shouldn't be, lots are finding the pulp fiction types games, lots still into Cthulhu - stuff that is fun, doesn't take itself too seriously but with real mature credibility, like Dredd.
edit - overall I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone who'd left the hobby but has been hooked back into at least this much of it by this, which happened because the subject (and imo Mongoose's execution / style) has proper credibility like nothing had anymore when I quit it all. I really don't want to play a game and figures based on what some person at GW or wherever thinks is most wow, it's just made up nonsense trying too hard to be attractive and impressive. Dredd himself knows this, he's generation X, Sally4th seem to see this too, know their market, they only really sell pulp fiction gaming, and Dredd, they obviously cross over. But I'd guess Dredd stuff was just a bit too expensive and presented a bit too narrow for the amount it looked like you'd need to get for it to work, in comparison to the competing pulp fiction stuff.
Anyway, I don't mean to complain, these figures are still a massive positive for me (I'm definitely a fan of Mongoose's figures and that they made this happen in the first place), I don't know what's gone on for the range to go out of production like this, and even if it might still have a future already organised that we don't know about. I'm just frustrated that there's been such a scramble for what people still need from the range, it's left people short and I think it was unnecessary. But then I don't know what's happened behind the scenes, for all I know it's the Brand owner pulled the rug rather than Mongoose or Warlord just walking away and it was out of everyone's hands.
edit - re the figure you quoted I don't know if that's good or bad for kickstart quantity, but I think if more had known outside the immediate informed hobby it would have got a lot more support. But whatever it's great it happened at all and I'm impressed with Mongoose for a lot of it. I know some figures could be better but imo many are exactly right.
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Thanks to everyone who's enquired about Judge Minty - thanks to LAFfer's generosity £60 has gone to CR today 8)
There are still some left but when they're gone that'll be it.
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I'd encourage any Dredd fan to get a Judge Minty, the figure is lovely.
On the topic figures I'm happy to use Warlord stuff with Citadel stuff, a bit of Heresy, Copplestone and Reaper too
I'm sure there are other ranges in there too. I did really want a City Def set because I liked the look of the figures but as long as the feel of the figures works I'm not fussed about just using the 'official' figures. Some of them are really nice sculpts, others less so.
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Yup - Minty is a fantastic mini (as all of the charity miniatures have been). Seriously snap one up before you think on it and miss them altogether!
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Yup - Minty is a fantastic mini (as all of the charity miniatures have been). Seriously snap one up before you think on it and miss them altogether!
aye, all of the charity miniatures have been superb (gutted I missed out on the tank girl tank) and buy them now from the top bloke Dags whilst you can - and it all goes to a great cause.
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Re Minty after diving in to catch up on the range I think I'm going to have to sell something (like a kidney) to recover my finances before I can afford to buy much else right now. But it's a possibility I will.
Meanwhile, anyone know if the running cadet has ever been on sale, found one at a normal figure price but won't post UK so a load of trouble with go betweens to get hold of. Was it Kickstarter only?
And I've found a Texas-City Mechanismo :-)
http://shop.eastridingminiatures.co.uk/gg24-1964-p.asp
(28mm scale, don't know if it's over sized, or whether it's resin or metal, all their unpainted photo's are that green stuff).
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I think they'll be fine Ulf.
Have a look around their ranges as well. A couple of the golgo island types might make good dead waste types. The corporate wars minis may offer some nice options for things as well; Interpol - city def, enforcers as detectives or hired types, slicks a bloc gang?
I think I have seen some conversions of plastic space marines into Arbites so I don't think it'd take much to tweak those into judges.
Honestly, as Andy has well demonstrated, I think there are some decent alternatives out there that may offer a bit more uniformity.
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Just wired my ten quid for Minty via the miracle of Paypal. Lovely looking miniature for which I have a few ideas.
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Other than East Meg I've found figures available for all the main scenarios / enemies I wanted to do. Found a seriously perfect gang of figures to play a force of Bladerunner type biomechs, and cultists, zombies, cursed earth, street gangs are all good. But finding forces that fit with East Meg judges (not as judges but as their supporting forces), matching the futuristic uniform, the comic style of the figures, and the heroic 28mm scale (that is slightly larger than true 28mm like Konflikt 47), is a real problem, and it's plain bad I have no female East Meg judge. But other than that it's doable and fun trying to make it work.
But, it would have been much better if instead of things like Judda and even the ape gang that are quite niche (definitely enthusiast and hard to fit into other non Dredd games), they'd done competitively priced plastic (or even metal, but still variable on sprue as unit builders) box sets of East Meg militia, Citi-Def, Meg1 citizens (normal, rioting, armed, and separately as zombies etc), cultists etc, they'd have sold really well to Dredd customers but would also have bridged it for people into other games to buy from this range for their other games, becoming more aware of it as they pick from it and maybe starting them getting drawn into the game proper. I've looked at tons of other games ranges for figures to pull volume from (for better price, availability, and variation), I can't imagine there's been much of that the other way around, with people finding things in this range useful for other games.
At least in terms of volume or best price, but there are a lot of real quality individual character figures that I think would be highly desirable in other games like pulp fiction or Cthulhu, like Oola Blint, the Executioner, Bat Burglar, Vid reporter, werewolf, Sabbat, gangster & blitzer etc, but you never see them positioned as pulp fiction, only ever described as Dredd. I bet there's a lot of character figures in this range pulp fiction gamers would have wanted if they'd only known they existed. Think this has passed many by by being so Dredd enthusiast focused, it has / had much more potential than just that.
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The crazyness continues.
Altsain just put more on ebay, Citi-Def, Brit Cit Judges, Eletric Cordons, a load of lawmasters etc. I now have spare lawmasters for dismounted models, including 2 Medi Judge & Tech Judge lawmasters. But still no East Meg reinforcements.
edit - and earlier on that's now sold out, it seems they had 2 Brit Cit lawmasters (Iron Lions) with Cal Hab judge riding, never released, and a 2 person punk biker gang.
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Hit-n-miss quality sculpts, very average casting quality, changes to the boxed contents, and massive delays in releasing the KS stuff to retail have been major hurdles for the Dredd skirmish game to overcome in terms of being a viable model range. To expect specific and distinctive plastic or multi-part models of any reasonable quality for a project of this size is asking faaaaar too much.
Also, I really don't think that the range was very popular - and Mongoose's rep in how they handle miniatures games probably left a lot of backers/potential players feeling cautious. As I said earlier in this thread, I only backed very cautiously for two boxes (because I had my doubts), and felt pretty miffed when one of the boxes had the number of models in it reduced and the removed models sold as separate blisters later.
Finally, I also feel that far too many of the KS's resources were focused on models that 99% of people were never going to need/want/buy/play with (like all the big vehicles - the Manta especially). Yes, it's cool they did them. Yes, the folks who got them were (presumably) very happy with them. But in relation to a gang-based skirmish game, that's like making Knight Titan models or Baneblade superheavy tanks for Necromunda! ::)
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I think manufacturers doing these big almost full figure ranges through Kickstarter are shooting themselves in the foot somewhat when it comes to the longevity of a product line. Putting everything out there as part of the Kickstarter means that people who are big fans and are going to buy big will probably do so with the Kickstarter to get a bargain. By the time those models get to retail I'm sure sales must be little more than a trickle. That's not good for ensuring that a range stays active.
I made the gross mistake of backing Palladium's Robotech Kickstarter some years ago and they also did the full model range (or at least promised it). Eventually the game and some of the model sets were delivered and also went to retail but the game died in an instant pretty much. There are a few reasons why that happened but I'm sure that most people who were interested in a Robotech miniatures game backed the Kickstarter anyway and likely had little need of picking up much else in store (or the desire to do so given Palladium's handling of things and the general shit show that was the models!).
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Yes, it's cool they did them. Yes, the folks who got them were (presumably) very happy with them.
I wasn't, look at the casting and striations on this turd, it's bloody awful...
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vrSPsqmg5VU/WAO-gI6JCuI/AAAAAAAAQYo/vEWjn1Bc-acHYZ0O0-OMrqmSdi91-JAowCLcB/s640/IMG_2884.jpg)
I made the best of it I could, but as the rest of the range left me so thoroughly disappointed, I decided to use it for my Necromunda Arbites, I can't see myself doing anything with the drawer of lead I got through the KS, let alone starting the MC1 table I'd planned on.
http://port-imperiale.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/the-blue-turd-arbites-and-mine-least.html (http://port-imperiale.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/the-blue-turd-arbites-and-mine-least.html)
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I wasn't, look at the casting and striations on this turd, it's bloody awful...
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vrSPsqmg5VU/WAO-gI6JCuI/AAAAAAAAQYo/vEWjn1Bc-acHYZ0O0-OMrqmSdi91-JAowCLcB/s640/IMG_2884.jpg)
I made the best of it I could, but as the rest of the range left me so thoroughly disappointed, I decided to use it for my Necromunda Arbites, I can't see myself doing anything with the drawer of lead I got through the KS, let alone starting the MC1 table I'd planned on.
http://port-imperiale.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/the-blue-turd-arbites-and-mine-least.html (http://port-imperiale.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/the-blue-turd-arbites-and-mine-least.html)
That's pretty bad!
Looks like they didn't bother to sand down the striations before turning it into what looks like a sub-par cast. Sorry to see that you got stuck with that dookie.
Love your Squat Convoy by the way!
Do you happen to have a link showing how you made the hovercar taxi"
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Love your Squat Convoy by the way!
Do you happen to have a link showing how you made the hovercar taxi"
Heh, cheers!
The taxi is just a pound shop diecast car with some jets and other odds I found in the bits box glued to it, that's all there is to it!
There's a slightly better shot here:
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SB-bISu3A3Y/WAIMsICexTI/AAAAAAAAQXI/11HH5-4_JPMFp9hJRhzlXAJ9gDuAqiKYQCLcB/s1600/IMG_3880.jpg)
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Sad that a pound shop car and Curtis's cheap as chips resin casts are better cast with better quality control than Mongoose could manage. Curtis wouldn't send that out except as part of a bargain miscast.job.
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Re the range and it being a kickstarter, it looks almost like Mongoose just did this to fulfil personal ambitions of creating models they personally wanted, and with that achieved have stepped out, almost like they're retiring from it. It's like the commercial side was just a vehicle rather than the point, there's loads of ways this could have been made much more successful / profitable / sustainable (but not without compromising uber enthusiasts over the range, or at least speed of delivery with niche stuff last). But tbh if personal rather than commercial was their reason then good for them, I think it's still done the hobby a favour. This Dredd range is like the hobby used to be, an enthusiast execution that's delicate but full of character and charm, pulling you into the figure rather than the figure pushing itself at you (like the pre slotta Runequest2 figures were). Got me back into it, and it will be useful and viable to me in ways 40k or generic gaming wouldn't be, because that stuff isn't cool unless you're in the hobby, it's not so obviously tongue in cheek fun, it wouldn't interest others to get involved nearly as much as Dredd would, or Cthulhu, or Hitler-Bots with she-wolf guard etc, it's slightly dark and so sexy (but not serious or gratuitous or ugly, still tongue in cheek / innocent / decent) vampy pulp fiction that most everyone can relate to as fun, it's obviously adult in a way most gaming isn't unless you're already into it. For what it's worth (and I think it is of real worth) the range only exists thanks to Mongoose.
Quality in production issues aside (as I don't know enough to comment, other than it's not like they're unique for having issues, Citadels Lawmaster's were a disaster and lots of their metal kits were poorly fitting) and assuming people get what they should out of KS, I don't think anyone can have lost out by it. If this is the permanent end of the range (and I'm beginning to think it is), this stuff is only ever going to be worth more than it cost, because Dredd isn't a fad, there's always demand.
I think it's same with Rogue Trooper (not necessarily for GI's but for Nu Earth, sci-fi WW1 gaming), if that's gone too (without ever even being on general sale), those figures the KS's got will be worth more than they paid for them. I can't see how you can lose backing iconic cult titles like this, however disappointing it is if they fall short of what you hoped for and / or are discontinued.
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I think manufacturers doing these big almost full figure ranges through Kickstarter are shooting themselves in the foot somewhat when it comes to the longevity of a product line. Putting everything out there as part of the Kickstarter means that people who are big fans and are going to buy big will probably do so with the Kickstarter to get a bargain. By the time those models get to retail I'm sure sales must be little more than a trickle. That's not good for ensuring that a range stays active.
I made the gross mistake of backing Palladium's Robotech Kickstarter some years ago and they also did the full model range (or at least promised it). Eventually the game and some of the model sets were delivered and also went to retail but the game died in an instant pretty much. There are a few reasons why that happened but I'm sure that most people who were interested in a Robotech miniatures game backed the Kickstarter anyway and likely had little need of picking up much else in store (or the desire to do so given Palladium's handling of things and the general shit show that was the models!).
I can see both sides of the coin here.
I agree that KS's that try to do too much can look popular initially and then find that the KS investors are 'it'.
I actually don't think that has to be the issue, but I think the length of time it takes to get such a large KS to the pledgers is. So it looks like around a year is max. Longer than that and people lose interest in what they have backed, which means the initial interest generated by the KS is wasted. And you end up with the following dwindling before you have even started.
So the more you offer, the longer it is going to take to get to your customers - not to mention the more chance of slip ups and delays.
Mantic and others seem to have developed a way around this with sending out "waves" of product. So with the Walking Dead they have sent out the starter sets in wave 1 with wave 2 etc having expansions. For me this is clever. It means they have prioritised items, get them out to us the gamers to play with and keep us occupied and the interest fed until the next wave when we'll have had a chance to get to grips with the game and maybe painted the miniatures.
Dredd has taken how long to forefill?
The only other thing to consider is the license. If you have a license you probably do want to throw out as much as you can in one hit. In this case it has taken years, people have on the whole not been impressed with what has landed at their feet or how long it has taken. As a result I don't think as a game or a range it ever picked up.
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Well, that's the most charitable interpretation I've ever heard of Mongoose Games.
Pretty sure Mongoose Matt did it to make as much money as he possibly could, but went about it in his usual way and here we are with the usual result. It is however genuinely refreshing to read someone so positive about a range that gets a bad rap from everyone else I know in the hobby. I hope you manage to track down all the bits you're missing!
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Mantic and others seem to have developed a way around this with sending out "waves" of product. So with the Walking Dead they have sent out the starter sets in wave 1 with wave 2 etc having expansions. For me this is clever. It means they have prioritised items, get them out to us the gamers to play with and keep us occupied and the interest fed until the next wave when we'll have had a chance to get to grips with the game and maybe painted the miniatures.
Palladium ended up splitting everything into two waves when they realised they'd taken on too much. Three and a half years and no wave two (I reckon they ran out of money some time ago fulfilling wave one!).
Proper scheduled waves of releases though probably works well (if the time line is adhered to), I suppose that's how regular releases have always been done without crowd funding. That drip feed of products every month or two keeps people interested and maintains momentum.
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That waves idea is really clever. If they had a series of kickstarters and you could only back one at a time rather than whole thing at once, the next didn't start till the previous was landed commercially & on general sale, the subsequent waves would get increasing interest & support as the stuff already on general sale would be breaking into a larger market & pulling people in, a free advertising channel for the next KS. Particularly if the earlier waves were just a bit of the most iconic stuff, like just a few judges, together with things that could be used in other games, like multi-packs of sci-fi / near future citizens (bystanders and armed), civilian zombies, cultists etc. Stuff that would have pulled people in who wouldn't have been specifically looking for Dredd, chasing early waves of stuff useful to them in other games cuz it offers something different and is good value, then they may as well go on because they've started to amass a relevant foundation of stuff to add to. However right for classic Dredd enthusiasts, quite clean punk street gangs isn't what most think of re Dredd (like last film, they weren't that fussed about their hair) and it's not very transferable to other games for them to have been leading with.
And some scenery, like they apparently had in Gangs of MegaCity1, and like Infinity & Mars Attacks & zombies etc who are reaching out to a less established cult enthusiast market do. Infinity also seem to build the rules up via a series of starter sets and in figures packs, so like constant little waves. It would work much better, if Dredd (or Rogue Trooper) had been like that with subsequent waves being advertised through stuff already landed commercially I'd have heard about it and joined in, paid money in advance, sure other would have too. Like you say, waves would build momentum. And it would have forced quality. Edit - in fact it's probably equivalent to pre-order, which is big in the collectable World (I've bought a 1/6th scale Dredd that won't exist & I won't get till late next year), and Infinity do pre-order. It's massive in America and really successful.
edit :-) I do have issues with the range, normal price it was a bit pricey, detail on some castings can be faint, it's a shame they're all mk2 (?) lawgivers and not at least a few mk1's, some scaling isn't great (like the cadets), there could be just a few more females that they could of made just a bit more of for the vamp factor, Female Judges of the World would have been ace, but there's still loads of really good stuff. And if Mongoose were doing things only to make money, then it's their loss because they've really missed a trick, there's big potential they've ignored. But I think when you look at the schedule of model subjects (how they prioritised things), how they're stepping away just as all the cult figures are finally available (at least to them, though I'm sure slower than they'd have liked), they still got it all done before stepping away. I think the were chasing their enthusiasts ambitions more than the money, if not they did anyway because they couldn't help themselves.
edit again - and re Mongoose in general, tbh I don't know much about them, not sure I'd heard of them before a month or so back when this discontinuation started and I looked into it. But from the little I've seen I'm impressed, they seem to be into all the things I thought were proper, like Traveller (though I never played it, I wanted to but was always hanging on for Rogue Trader instead that never happened), like Runeuest2 that I think was the best fantasy rpg ever, except maybe T&T :-) and Dredd, and Paranoia (that again I never played but thought was extremely cool) even Lonewolf.
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It looks like Palladium split the waves to meet an advertised deadline (they failed) and took the remaining funds to fill their warehouse with wave 1, thinking they could profit from the sales and fund wave 2.
They are another company that suffered from their own poor management.
Personally, there are many aspects of the Dredd range I adore, just not all of it.
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Mantic does well, but I've become very skeptical of companies with a huge number of different products in a KS, almost moreso with "Waves" if they don't already have a very strong reputation.
A "Wave" is a nice way to spread out the costs and time of production, but IMHO, every month longer that a KS takes to complete is just more time for the KS funds to be used to:
-keep the company afloat
-start another KS
-Fund some other line from the company
-Feed the KS owner
-Feed the KS owner's addiction
Far better in my mind to have a small suscinct KS that gets a manageable amount of products out there quickly before the KS funds can be squandered in some other way.
A follow up KS can expand the line and then the producer will already have the initial batch of product that can be offered as add-ons. Add to that the goodwill that was generated from the first KS and you've got a winner.
I saw Ramshackle mentioned here. They're a good example of this. There are some weaknesses in the product (A couple of my dwarves had miscasts) but by and large, they produce a solid project without being to ambitious. Usually one clear product line with a few related add-ons, and one or two items suggested by backers. Then the funds are collected and the product is produced in a timely manner.
I had virtually the same experience with Johnny Lauck. Stretch goals were few and manageable and the product was produced and shipped out incredibly quickly.
On the other hand you have Robotech and Judge Dredd. Both put out by companies with some spotty CS histories. Both went years over, Dredd looks like it will eventually fulfill. I have doubts that Robotech ever will.
And it's not just companies with spotty CS. I'd not heard anything bad about RAFM previously, but the content of their Airship Pirates Pledge ballooned to the point that they couldn't afford to ship out the stuff they cast. It looks like they will finally deliver soon, but that'll be about 18 months late!
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@ Ulfhednar:
Since reinforcements for East Meg seems to be your maik issue, would these be any good?
(http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/images/Urban%20VASA/34701_Armed_Response_Team.jpg)
(http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/images/Urban%20VASA/34702_Riot_Control_Team.jpg)
They are from the Vasa faction of the Urban War game (the succesor to Void). They can be found here:
http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=217_218_60_71&sort=20a&page=3 (http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=217_218_60_71&sort=20a&page=3)
Bear in mind the "VASA" on their hats and shields is sculpted, so you'd have to sand it off. But they are very Russian looking, so I think they would fit as East Meg city-def or the like.
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Thanks yes I've been looking at those Urban Warfare Vasa's, I'll buy one and see how they scale, they might be a bit chunky though. Infinity Kazak's are good (the original OOP version that are more comic style and delicate, rather than the new more realistic / trying-harder types), I've amassed 14 of those, all different models but in same uniform (including a medic & engineer to match what Meg1 Judges have), and they fit in perfectly. There's definitely options, can augment them with robots too, Battle Mech 6mm scale Cyclops that apparently ends up at around 40mm tall might be a good choice, Starship Trooper Grizzly with remodeled visor & helmet crest to match East Meg and accommodate a star in a circle) would work perfectly as East Meg holo's. There's converting too, I've ended up with 3 East Meg box sets & 2 Marshal's, see how many I can make out of them, plus the Foundry East Meg judge and maybe their ex-Citadel Rogue Trader inquisition (that would make great Sov SCS / KGB Judges, though I may get another set to use as German Vril-Cit Judges from under the Antarctic, with Hitler-Bot, in league with the Argentine Banana City Judge and his camp Void 1.1 Vasa Marines).
It would just be good if Mongoose had done a bit more with the East Meg range to give more variety, and one female Sov judge in a cloak, however slinky just isn't enough. From what I've seen except maybe for Fatties, East Meg is definitely what's sold out fastest and has been in most demand. And I think East Meg reinforcements blister must be a covert ghost division cuz I've not seen them available once, Mongoose put some up on ebay Buy Now when I wasn't looking and they all went instantly.
There is quality in the range though, which is why it's frustrating they haven't done more (at least of the most desirable stuff, Judda fair enough but really? Instead of Judge in poncho, Justice Guard, more Sov / female judges etc?). But the quality is there, I nearly didn't get one as the studio painted one gave it too clean and comic a feel for my style, then I found this picture, shows it up as a real quality figure with massive potential to use, a convincing Soviet Agent, or even a Mysteron one, it could be Captain Black :-)
http://www.collectionservice.info/article/795275241/judgement-day-orlok-the-assassin/
Edit - re about the licence, my most optimistic hope is the brand owners are waking up to the potential of Dredd in the modern world and want to do more with it (like they seem to be doing in 1/12 & 1/6th), aren't happy with how it's drifted here, want a new start and management. That the range will be passed on, some of it will be used & some replaced, repackaged & re-propositioned, and made more mainstream / accessible like Infinity is. In all likelihood though I think Mongoose just walked away as the licence was up and their personal ambitions with it were fulfilled.
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Found a great site (again most probably already know), 28mm but might be true rather than Dredd range that is slightly tall, Moonraker Minatures. If they scale they have loads that would fit in, troops, bad guys etc, and an excellent Cadet Judge Instructor
(http://moonrakerminiatures.com/images/0049t.jpg)
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Edit - re about the licence, my most optimistic hope is the brand owners are waking up to the potential of Dredd in the modern world and want to do more with it (like they seem to be doing in 1/12 & 1/6th), aren't happy with how it's drifted here, want a new start and management. That the range will be passed on, some of it will be used & some replaced, repackaged & re-propositioned, and made more mainstream / accessible like Infinity is. In all likelihood though I think Mongoose just walked away as the licence was up and their personal ambitions with it were fulfilled.
I doubt Rebellion care about 28mm Dredd gaming and are unlikely to push anything themselves. Just have to wait for another manufacturer to propose a range and pay for the licence.
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I think that last film must have started to change things for Dredd in America and with a new generation, there's some extremely cool stuff started to become available in product ranges they go mad about, like collectable action figures. And they not only fulfil one product market, they help drive awareness and the brand overall and will help it in other product areas. You may be right, the brand owners may not care about 28mm, but there's definitely a lot more potential in the Dredd brand than some perhaps realise, it's not as niche or in anyway past it like maybe some think, if anything it's beginning to come into it's own and more relevant as the world catches up with how right / plausible it's future view was.
Unofficial 1/6th display action figure (effectively a posh action man):
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xnRqNfbtYGk/VFYE9kbLDTI/AAAAAAAB2BA/YHKygi_Whf4/s640/948_dredd.jpg)
Official 1/6th (again display quality action figure not statues). Timing of this one seems to coincide with when this Mongoose Dredd project started, perhaps suggesting the Brand owners were having a phase of being 'on it' at that point.
(http://www.threeaonline.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/mongrol_web.jpg)
This is brand new, not even released till next year, on pre-order now. The fact it's right now maybe suggests the brand owners are on it again?
(http://darksidetoy.com/image/cache/data/1%20BY%20BRAND/THREEATOYS/Judge%20Dredd%20Sixth%20Scale%20Figure%20by%20ThreeA%20Toys/F-700x700.jpg)
Official 1/12th. This is brand new too (the Lawmaster is still on pre-order). There's a whole range about to be released. And it's replacing Mezco who are stopping their Dredd range, and apparently aren't too happy about it, they had other stuff planned. Maybe it's same with Mongoose and there is something in the pipeline?
(http://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/server4000/1kbsuhin/products/1598/images/2426/3A_2000AD_JudgeDredd_RetailImages_BoxSet_001__71199.1449149878.1280.1280.jpg?c=2)
edit - it looks to me like the Brand owners are interested in chasing the much more gritty Dredd image (that is what has made that film cult, like polished Stallone's version didn't, maybe that latest film has woken them up to the modern potential of the brand), and maybe Mongoose's extremely classic / 80's enthusiast view of Dredd, with clean punk street gangs and it being a comedy etc, is undermining the much more gritty image, compromising how they want it to be perceived & where they want to take it to best exploit it. I think they'll certainly have been getting those kind of suggestions from ThreeA who've they've been involved with since around 2010, who are all about dark gritty cool. Mezco went with the clean and classic Dredd look, indulged the comedy (maybe like Mongoose have), as I understand it they've just lost their licence to do more, to ThreeA. Maybe same here, and so this very clean classic range is being abandoned as they look to make it more like that film and their other stuff.
edit again - If they want it to be really successful & sustainable, they need to get a consistent image for it. Not as extreme but still, maybe Dredd has a problem like Batman did with conflicting images, dark & gritty from the comics, clean camp comedy from the TV. The gritty sells, the comedy is loved but apart from enthusiasts people don't buy it. They went with the modern gritty version & consigned the 60's comedy version to history. Not suggesting they want to adopt the new uniforms from that film, ThreeA (and so Rebellion) are sticking with the proper one, but it's in a dark and gritty style, they've dumped the clean comedy that Mezco were doing (just like the film did, making it cult and proving that approach works).
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It seems to me that the most likely scenario is that Warlord has the rights.
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It seems to me that the most likely scenario is that Warlord has the rights.
If Warlord has the licence why liquidate their stock? The only reason I could see is to remove the Mongoose branding but surely a properly worded sticker could sort that?
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What if Warlord feel the same way as most of the backers about the range's quality?
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I assume there must have been a financial partnership between Mongoose & Warlord over the game and they've liquidated all the stock and apparently the assets of it too (like the studio painted miniatures) in fire sales in various places, to settle that partnership that is ending as the licence does and for whatever reason isn't being continued by at least Mongoose. They seem to be selling off more than just Dredd stuff though, Traveller stuff too, and that Rogue Trooper KS is apparently in same boat as Dredd before it even happened.
I don't know if Mongoose selling off the studio miniatures indicates they have no further use of the promotional photos of them they need to sell them to the public. If Warlord was taking the range (licence masters moulds etc) on, I'd have thought they'd have agreed a price with Mongoose for the existing stock and taken that on too, and the Studio painted miniatures in case they added figures to the range (and indeed scenarios / expansions to the game) and wanted to picture them with the existing ones to weave them in.
And it's not just the studio painted judges they've sold off like someone is intending to upgrade the quality of that most iconic part of the range, they've sold off the studio painted ABC Warriors that were perfectly good figures and that as far as I know where never on general sale to the public. And the painted studio Nort & Souther units from the Rogue Trooper KS. Selling that stuff off before those figures have even been on general sale implies they never will be.
I may be wrong but it seems as though Warlord have completely removed Dredd from their USA sales site, rather than just showing it out of stock. It all seems a bit final. I can't help thinking if they've sold off the studio painted miniatures on ebay as they have, no one commercial has any plans for this range. And to some extent, this range comprises others opportunity to do a new one, because it's satisfied a proportion of the demand, at least in terms of people spending big again.
edit - Apes on bikes are back in stock at Warlord (though it's not free P+P anymore), and Altsain still has some bits on Ebay Buy Now.
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What if Warlord feel the same way as most of the backers about the range's quality?
Why start from scratch? There's some decent stuff there. I'd guess Mongoose would sell the moulds for peanuts to realise some cash from otherwise dead weight. Clearly there's a demand for the range given the speed at which the stock cleared out. If I had the cash to buy the licence I'd want to start building on that existing range and fanbase eliminating the dodgy sculpts over time.
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I assume there must have been a financial partnership between Mongoose & Warlord over the game and they've liquidated all the stock and apparently the assets of it too (like the studio painted miniatures) in fire sales in various places, to settle that partnership that is ending as the licence does and for whatever reason isn't being continued by at least Mongoose. They seem to be selling off more than just Dredd stuff though, Traveller stuff too, and that Rogue Trooper KS is apparently in same boat as Dredd before it even happened.
I don't know if Mongoose selling off the studio miniatures indicates they have no further use of the promotional photos of them they need to sell them to the public. If Warlord was taking the range (licence masters moulds etc) on, I'd have thought they'd have agreed a price with Mongoose for the existing stock and taken that on too, and the Studio painted miniatures in case they added figures to the range and wanted to picture them to existing ones to weave them in.
Selling the painted models off may well suggest that Mongoose's line is done and isn't being picked up by anyone else. Those paint jobs will not have been cheap (did Duff do them?) and flogging them off may recoup a bit of that cost. If anyone else is going to license Dredd I'd imagine they'd want to do a modern range of sculpts.
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I can see someone would want to upgrade the Judges figures quality and impact, but Citi-Def were fine, the Lawmaster bikes were really good, ABC Warriors were excellent. They sold the studio painted ABC's off today, suggesting no one has plans for them, and if not them then I can't imagine any of it (at least the branded stuff, more generic characters like Oola Blint or Cultists etc, whose painted figures haven't been sold off far as I know, I guess might reappear rebranded in other pulp fiction ranges).
So quite possibly end of this Dredd / 2000AD range. Maybe some manufacturer (and/or the brand owners) want to move the image onto the recent film version, with grotty gangers and different Judges uniform & bike, less sci-fi comic more near future urban warfare?
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It isn't off of the US site.
They sent me replacements for things I bought in the sale. Stock clearance would strike me as a 'buy as is'.
They announced the sale as a birthday celebration, as opposed to Mongoose's clearance. If they are taking over, it makes sense to want to clear out the Mongoose owned stock.
What Mongoose does with its studio miniatures has no bearing on Warlord. Warlord was a producer and distributor for Mongoose, not a co-owner. Although Matt wanting to ditch products from his collection just because he is no longer producing the line shows what kind of attachment he has to his professional accomplishments.
They emailed someone further up thread that made it seem like they are going to reorganize it, probably drop the poorer sculpted models.
They haven't removed the Dredd section of their forums like Mongoose has.
Their webstore lists products as out of stock, rather than removed altogether.
None of these things definitively shows Warlord keeping it, but it makes it seem likely.
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I checked just now you are right, my mistake it is still on their US store, I must have missed it when they downscaled the link from top of their homepage page to lower down.
Yes I saw they announced it as a birthday celebration sale in their newsletter, which is why it came as a shock when I later read Mongoose had said moulds had been destroyed, which I guess could be explainable by them being duplicate sets and masters and it's just their copies gone and Warlord still have sets or at least master figures, but I can't make sense of them going on to sell the painted ABC warriors off.
I think that Warlord email was maybe my post, what they said was very encouraging and did make it sound like they were intending to take it on. But since then Mongoose have sold off so many of the painted miniatures from the range, and maybe the best of the sculpts like the ABC's, it's looked less hopeful all the time. And they sold off the studio painted Nort and Souther units from Rogue Trooper before they've even launched that range and game, far as I know before they've even taken pictures of them with the other models from / that are intended for that range and posed in scenery / scenario to promote the game. And they are really excellent wargaming figures, true 28mm rather than heroic so slightly smaller than Dredd series, but fit with Warlords Konflikt 47. I'd have thought Warlord would have at least wanted them.
edit - But I hope Warlord are intending to keep it on are at least part of it, they did seem very committed to it all along. And them doing that is probably my only chance of ever getting East Meg reinforcements or an Oz Judge trike.
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I'd have thought Warlord would have at least wanted them.
They may have wanted them, but I doubt they'd have *paid* for them, hence the reason Matt's shifting 'em all on eBay.
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I wasn't, look at the casting and striations on this turd, it's bloody awful...
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I made the best of it I could, but as the rest of the range left me so thoroughly disappointed, I decided to use it for my Necromunda Arbites, I can't see myself doing anything with the drawer of lead I got through the KS, let alone starting the MC1 table I'd planned on.
http://port-imperiale.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/the-blue-turd-arbites-and-mine-least.html (http://port-imperiale.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/the-blue-turd-arbites-and-mine-least.html)
My word, that is awful!!! Must have been a really cheap printer. Looks about 250-300 microns - maybe even a filament printer. Can't believe the cast either, missing handles, bubbles, really bad misalignments. Maybe it was a cheap job too...
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They may have wanted them, but I doubt they'd have *paid* for them, hence the reason Matt's shifting 'em all on eBay.
I guess it makes sense if Warlord are only going to carry the figure range (like Foundry do some old Citadel stuff) and don't intend to add to it. They've still got the existing photo's, they'd only need the painted studio models if they intended to do more photo's, which would only be the case if they were adding new figures, vehicles, game scenario's, and branded scenery and wanted to mix it in to what already exists. So maybe end of anything else but this might come back as Warlord back catalogue stuff? It's too good to just dump, there's too much new stuff that was never in market long enough or at all.
edit - without claiming they do, maybe Mongoose just had financial issues with the burden of it all (perhaps Rogue Trooper has been more difficult and costly than they anticipated), it meant they couldn't renew the licences. They've had to walk away and it may get picked up, later rather than sooner as people hold out for best price on their share of the rights?
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I guess it makes sense if Warlord are only going to carry the figure range (like Foundry do some old Citadel stuff) and don't intend to add to it. They've still got the existing photo's, they'd only need the painted studio models if they intended to do more photo's, which would only be the case if they were adding new figures, vehicles, game scenario's, and branded scenery and wanted to mix it in to what already exists. So maybe end of anything else but this might come back as Warlord back catalogue stuff? It's too good to just dump, there's too much new stuff that was never in market long enough or at all.
It'd be far cheaper for Warlord to just get their own painters to redo the *entire* range (in a consistent manner) than it would be to pay Matt the collector prices he's getting on eBay, and again, the only way Warlord would get the Mongoose back catalogue range would be if they paid Mongoose for it, as well as picking up the licence from Rebellion. That's two outlays, and depending on prior sales (that they'll obviously be well aware of) they may not be that bothered about the Mongoose range.
A completely new range of figures will obviously sell better than a previously released range, so it's really not in Warlord's commercial interests to pay much money for a decidedly variable range.
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Yes that makes sense. Though apart from the odd exception the painted figures haven't been going for collectors prices, there's been no minimum prices and the auctions have been short duration, earlier on a lot of really excellent ones went for roughly £10 a piece, which for pro-plus painted is cheap. A Lawmaster with rider (the one with both hands on handlebars) for £30, only double normal unpainted retail. But it's reasonable value (just for that quality aside from the collector value) because it includes the retail price of the figures themselves which Warlord wouldn't have to pay. I'd guess it would still make sense though Warlord buying them for the small difference that makes, to save hassle and for the sake of consistency considering many are pictured in the actual rules, but only if they intended to actively do anything with the range & game going forward. I agree thinking it through, it's unlikely they will, unless Mongoose cut a very good deal on the rights & masters and I guess that wouldn't be for a while as they'd all probably hold out for best deal.
A new range would be no bad thing as long as it was in scale (and sideways scale too, not too chunky), there's a few figures in this range that are really excellent and too many too useful to start over. But it did need some affordable variance (like zombies, cultists, East Meg etc, every subject was covered but not enough to do much with) and it did need a few more bombshell type figures. Change could be good.
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Ebay never results in a decent price for quality painted models. Everyone wants a bargain which is why I don't paint speculatively for Ebay.
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I think people would have been willing to pay the proper money, but first of all it was very low key and I don't think it was getting much attention (prices have gone up, I guess as the news that the range was being discontinued caught up with people and stuff has gone out of stock more people have been on ebay looking for the range in general, found that & prices have gone up), but there's been such a sudden landslide of those painted figures for sale, at a time people are also spending to get the last of the range before it disappears, it's a bit up against it. Whole thing really is a fire sale. (I missed one or two figures I'd have paid proper money for because I was quite new on ebay and had a limit on number of auctions I could be top bidder on, didn't realise and had bids for other odd items lodged on auctions days away shutting me out of bidding on the Mongoose stuff. Plus spent out chasing rest of it. The people who got them may well have had much higher bids lodged that just didn't get called out).
Regarding the amazing painted Effigy Miniatures 3 sci-fi females in grey uniforms with coloured boots and pads you have on your site front, the complete pack (10 figs) look useful in Dredd (for East Meg, or as another cit def unit, or corporate security, and 2 civilians that would do for Blade Runner type corporate's) and delicate like a lot of the Dredd stuff. Do you know if it scales well to Warlord Dredd? I thought Infinity did, the older stuff does but the new stuff seems quite a bit smaller (and a bit too realistic & busy to fit in).
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a proper new Range of Dredd Movie tied Miniatures would be great (just not from Prodos please >:D )
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Nice work Doctor! Are those Prodos Miniatures Dredd figs? I can't seem to find them! :?
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It looks like what's gone in the last batch on ebay was the last of their stock metal, so probably no more, I checked, that's what they say and I'm apparently definitely stuffed for Judges with heavy weapons and for East Meg reinforcements blisters, the only figures in the range with anti armour hvy weapons, save for 1 citi-def. It stops me being able to wargame Dredd as anything other than small arms skirmish, because I have no way for either side to take down holo's or big robots. Without getting proxies there's no way, and I've tried that but it's just destroying the look & feel and turning it into something else, may as well play 40k. It's massively frustrating.
There's a single point this all hinges on. I'm not a kickstarter but looking at the comments on the kickstarter site, there's Mathew's announcement that they are "passing on the licence". I thought that meant they were passing it onto someone else like Warlord, I think now it probably just meant they were passing on renewing it and it's abandoned. Carefully chosen words to play it down / sidestep aggro.
I've done ok on some things, I was lucky to get 2 Medi Judge lawmasters (so I could have a dismounted model) etc, but the stuff I've missed has really screwed my plans up to the point I probably can't use what I did get. This is such a mess, they should have carried stock into the sale, not of the whole range & of incidental things but of the things that were obviously important, that were going to run out fast or indeed were already out of stock. One minute it's an anniversary celebration sale (which is all I heard, via Warlord) then all the stock has gone and it turns out it was a discontinuation sale.
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a proper new Range of Dredd Movie tied Miniatures would be great (just not from Prodos please >:D )
What's the source mini for those conversions? I recognise the Chronoscope base for Dredd.
Good likenesses, well executed.
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That's probably the only real option as proxies aren't working, converting & using that green stuff to sculpt your own East Meg pads, boots and judge badges (that are simple shapes), and helmets and guns are available off the Foundry Soviet Judge.
And you could cobble a Meg1 heavy weapons judge from the Foundry Tech Judge Deex figure, that has 2 pads and no eagle (just like the Warlord Judge with lazooka was so he could shoulder the weapon), a clean cut on the head and arms in the right place to be holding a big gun.
I bet a kickstarter for just a small range of East Meg judges, a few Soviet female & specialist judges (like medic & tech), and a box set of fully cast or kits with separate arms and weapons etc so you can have several boxes and still have variance, to match the scale and style of the Warlord East Meg Judges, would do brilliantly. KSing individual sets would work now the big kickstart created a population invested but possibly unable to achieve what they wanted. The whole range just needs a bit more here and there, if it was just that stuff that is missing from this range I think it would do really well.
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Those conversions are fantastic, and painted perfectly too, real correct character. Do Reaper Miniatures scale well to Warlord Dredd? They have some great figures but I passed them by as they're described as 25mm heroic and Warlord Dredd seems like 28mm heroic, even 28mm true (like Konflikt 47 and even Mongoose's KS Rogue Trooper Norts & Southers) seem a bit small for it. Would Reaper work with Warlord Dredd?
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Nice work Doctor! Are those Prodos Miniatures Dredd figs? I can't seem to find them! :?
What's the source mini for those conversions? I recognise the Chronoscope base for Dredd.
Good likenesses, well executed.
Yes,they are Reaper Chronoscope Minis (Metal) with Head Swaps. Corrupt Judge with Shield is from Victory Force (Red Reddan Range) Ma-Ma is from RAFM ModernX or whatever the Range is called ???
the Reaper Marine is a very versatile Model ;)
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Those conversions are fantastic, and painted perfectly too, real correct character. Do Reaper Miniatures scale well to Warlord Dredd? They have some great figures but I passed them by as they're described as 25mm heroic and Warlord Dredd seems like 28mm heroic, even 28mm true (like Konflikt 47 and even Mongoose's KS Rogue Trooper Norts & Southers) seem a bit small for it. Would Reaper work with Warlord Dredd?
Cheers Mate :) Yes Reaper Chronoscope match well Sizewise with Mongoose/Warlord JD. I've also used some Superfigs to bolster my East Meg Army
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there's also a Tank in the Dystopian Legions Range (Spartan Games) that looks like a Rad Sweeper :P
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Small heads up - Wayland still have a dwindling number of models (not at half price of course, but with 20% off in most cases.
There are some on Amazon too - but as these are from a variety of sellers the prices are outrageous!
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And Element Games have 1 Spikes Harvey Rotten on lawmaster for £9 (but then there's the shipping).
It looks like all the stock is out there now and I still failed to get Street Judges with hvy weapons (lazooka and stub gun). Someone must have an army of only them. Though I did pick up some odd things including Judge Koburn's Grav Bike, that has no rider (but looks an easy conversion from a spare tech judge rider I have) that was apparently never released and I can find no pictures of on the net at all. I don't think it's even mentioned in the kickstarters (though I guess it must be from that). And I saw go by (but unfortunately missed getting) a Cal-Hab Judge on Iron Horse Lawmaster. I wonder what else was on the verge of happening before the licence ran out?
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How much money did Matt put into having models sculpted and then not releasing them for retail?
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It's this that makes me think it was more a project to create a range of figures they personally wanted, and with that achieved the project has served it's purpose and so they passed on (declined renewing rather than gave to someone else) the licence. It may have been necessary because it wasn't cutting it financially, but then I think you could argue some of that is because they made it too enthusiast comic and not wargaming enough. Judda instead of an East Meg equivalent to Citi-Def, or a proper zombie horde and cultist horde (that people from other games might also want) is baffling. For whatever reason they definitely seem to have made personal enthusiast rather than commercial choices in the prioritising of the figure range. There's a really decent force available for Meg1, and over powered too with them being judges, it's impossible within the range available to wargame against them. But then I guess that's what fitted into the Dredd miniatures game (which isn't wargaming). And I'm not criticising just observing, if it was only way some of this could exist at all then it was probably worth doing it like this, just seems a shame as I think aspects of it had much more potential and it was just a few additions away from the whole thing becoming much more.
edit - I imagine some people here know but as a non kickstarter on the sidelines it's hard to know what was available for retail. Some may have been via pre-order or only for very short periods retail, or not at all. Although I think they may have been listed with the product picture for a time on Warlord's site before the fire sale started, I don't remember ever seeing the ABC Warriors, Robo-Doc, Citi-Def Reinforcements, Oz Judge on Trike, Car or Manta tank etc actually available to buy (though citi-def reinforcements and Robo-Doc suddenly came into stock for about 1 hour one day late October, well into the sale already starting and sold out half price very fast).
There's another East Meg judge (without helmet & in cloak), an Accountant Judge, the Meg 2 Judge (I think came with the car), and a female judge with 2 lawgivers I've not seen retailed either. And it looks like you can add the Rogue Trooper figures to that, they have Nort snipers (pack of 6 + a black dome sniper) for sale on ebay too (Altsain).
edit again - also if you're after figures to play Nu-Earth, Pulp figures zepplin soldiers might work, have gloves & non laced boots like in chem suits, gas masks and it seems air canisters like the Norts, and cool German para helmets, if they're in scale (kickstarter Rogue seems to be true 28mm rather than heroic) and you can do something with their guns (and tiny bit of back of head may be exposed as gask mask with helment rather than hood, could putty the texture out).
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Ulfy - whilst it may be nice to have a conclusion, a synopsis of why. But really - as others have already said, you only need look at Mongooses' prior miniature based projects and the way they went. Starship Troopers etc. The only difference I can see is the Kickstarter.
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:-) Yes I've accepted now the range is definitely going OOP and that's almost certainly it. And I know this happens all the time with gaming range products & licences, and maybe in particular with Mongoose, but I don't think it needed to with this, Dredd is properly viable done right. Apocalypse War, Block War, zombie or cultist hordes, cursed earth raids / clearances etc. It's wargaming not roleplaying that sells miniatures in volume, they didn't go there with this when they so obviously could have, when they were already half way there anyway having made a decent Meg1 force. Eg a Soviet tech & med judge, an East Meg cit-def / militia (or if they don't exist more Soviet Judges), 10 or so figures could have massively opened things up. Maybe one day some one will do it and make it make sense for wargaming.
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The only difference I can see is the Kickstarter.
Specifically that the KS allowed a much bigger range to be sculpted than would otherwise be the case.
And to be fair to Mongoose; at least it looks like they are going to deliver all (or nearly all) the models that backers were supposed to get... I mean, they could have passed on renewing the licence sooner, and just left everyone with outstanding pledges with little more than a feeble apology - but they haven't.
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Yes I'm not criticising Mongoose to a serious degree I'm glad they did the range in the first place, and not that I know but I only hear good things about them being straight. It's just frustrating that a few more figure variants would have massively improved the options of the range for wargaming, and the few figures that are in the range that are essential for wargaming, like the Judges with hvy weapons that are simply impossible to find, (and East Meg reinforcements with an anti-armour hvy weapon that I finally got in a bundle off a private seller but otherwise would be just as impossible to get) it seems have been out of stock a long time before the range went OOP, leaving people really short. It was a shock that Warlords birthday celebration sale turned out to really be the end of licence and the range going OOP, there was no way of catching up once it became clear what was happening. That's a different issue though than the apparently really good stuff (like Brit Lawmaster, Grav Bike, maybe Trike & ABC's etc) that it seems won't get to retail. I'm amazed it wasn't in their interests to negotiate a short extension to the licence in order to sell that stuff for a couple of months, it was moulded after all, I hope that means they intend to sell it on and it will appear one day.
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Ulfhednar have you seen these? Not unreasonable prices.
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/TheTrollTrader/Judge-Dredd-/_i.html?_fsub=8386390014
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Element Games still have some stock too, including JD and Walter, street judges, the tech and medic judges and an assortment of others - not the heavy weapons, I'm afraid.
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Ulfhednar have you seen these? Not unreasonable prices.
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/TheTrollTrader/Judge-Dredd-/_i.html?_fsub=8386390014
Yes thank you, I definitely want a Sabbat (brilliant figure & one for my cultists or zombie queen), didn't buy one as couldn't think how I could use the Scottish guy but then Mongoose (Altsain) put Cursed Earth Desperado's on ebay for £10 (+£2.50 P+P, still has some), and I ended up with the Angel Gang by accident for free, so now I've got a Cursed Earth army and he'll do as a mutant :-P So good spot, and the werewolf too (for my cultists), I can use the Ape with my gangsters. (Altsain have the werewolf theoretically cheaper but in a bundle with figures I've already got). I think it's worth getting as much of this range as possible cuz it obviously all works together, and I received some today 2nd hand that had already been sprayed black (shows more of the detail at distance) and a built sentanoid & quite well painted mini-bots, first time I've seen them for real as not bare lead unbuilt in boxes and they really are superb figures, they've got the 2000AD character that isn't in anything else (that I think is missing from most of Foundry's versions, that are great figures, maybe anatomically more correct / stronger but mostly with less character & charm). I know people have issues with some of the figures, I agree some could be better, I definitely wish there was a bit more variety & depth in the range in certain areas to open it up more for wargaming, but overall I think it's a real gift to the hobby.
I suspect some people have bought stock (out of Warlord sale etc) and are waiting for things to die down before selling it off on ebay at better prices, though probably won't include hvy weapons Judges as think they've been out of stock a while, but at least they were on retail for a long time before going out of stock then OOP, they'll turn up sooner or later, though I suspect to get those I'll need to buy someones entire Dredd bundle with them in then sell off the rest myself.
Or do some swaps, I bet lots have grabbed what they could just cuz it was disappearing fast and there may be a bit of trading afterwards. That might be good as I'm not sure I'm the right person to be trusted with an apparently rare Grav Bike that will need converting and stuff (cuz I think they meant to do more with it, it has no rider and is quite bare).
edit - re element games, you have to check the coloured light below the listing, dark green is in stock, light green expected into stock, light blue can be ordered. On first day this started and found Warlord already almost totally out of stock, Element had nothing in stock but were showing light blue on lots of things so I put an order in for lots of it. I spoke to them and they said they hoped to be able to still get it in as it should be sitting with the distributors, and it was scheduled to be in stock in 1 week. After 2 weeks of it not showing up I cancelled the order and got what I could elsewhere. A few days later the Harvey Rotten went dark green so had arrived and gone into their stock, everything else I'd ordered but cancelled showed as light green (so it hadn't turned up but they still hoped it might), Then it all went back to light blue. It maybe came into stock, sold immediately and I missed it, or it didn't turn up at all. It can be a problem as they take payment when you place the order not when it's dispatched, but if that's ok it's maybe worth a try but don't rely on it (or anyone else) ordering stuff in.
But thanks for the tip all are welcome :-) I went through Warlords stockists list (put in a Southern postcode SW1 search radius 500 miles to catch Europe), checked every one with a site and apart from the odd thing that's on ebay anyway there's nothing out there. Though it did turn up an original Mongoose Citi-Def command (different to the one in this range), with an officer with a tache, they'll do for Brit-Cit :-) This is a picture of a painted set Mongoose sold off on ebay. It's properly mad when you look at the some of the painted (and unpainted rare / unreleased) stuff they were selling earlier on and the prices it went for, crazy bargains. Though they probably went to kickstarters so fair enough, but I wonder with them being so familiar with the range and distracted at how it might have fallen short in places or been frustrating, they've lost sight of what a really good thing it is.
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Yes Warlord's stock is weird. They show out of stock, then suddenly they get a batch in of an odd thing. Happened to me so that I got a robo-doc and 2 citi-def reinforcement blisters. I wonder if they were still casting up figures to fulfil the kickstart (returns etc) had just a few spare each time. Or maybe they were returns from distributors. They have some of the Ape bikes left which are tempting at £10 each, but then all 4 pro-painted versions went ridiculously cheap on ebay on Saturday for £61 total. If I was going to do Apes on bikes that was my chance, but I missed them as I was watching the pro-painted ABC warriors auction.
Should be clear by tomorrow if there's any more going to come available, if more hasn't been listed on Altsain's ebay sales by tomorrow then Mongoose are almost certainly done and that's probably it. Hopefully though with that heavily discounted stock gone it will then settle down, prices will recover and people will start selling on ebay the extra's they picked up, probably expensively but it would be worth it to get sorted. There's no substitute for a Judge with a lazooka, especially when you have 4 sentanoids in the opposition side.
Done ok though (for a non kickstarter catching up at the end), out of what I want I'm only missing the Judges with lazooka and stub gun, the Oz Judge on trike, and the Cal-Hab judge on Iron Horse (and those last 2 bikes aren't essential, just nice to haves), but picked up a couple of medi-Judge lawmasters with sidecar, tech Judge lawmasters, and that weird grav bike. Now all I need is a Mega City one to put it all in.
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A bit off topic but the thread is active with knowledgeable people so I'll ask. I bought a three figure set of the (supposedly old) Titan judges. (One of my first ever figures was the Titan Dredd my parents ordered out of the comic for my birthday or Christmas, it arrived with a bent gun and when I tried to straighten it, it broke off. I was like 7 or 8, massively traumatic, been carrying the scar ever since and always wanted a not broken one. So Dredd, Anderson, & Death turned up on ebay in an auction for starting price £10 total, badly listed so no one else noticed and bid, bargain. I've received them and they're in fantastic condition, but they sound like they have tin in them, there's a ring to them if you tap them with your nail and they are super strong. It's not how I remember the one I had, I thought it was softer flexible lead alloy like normal mini's are.
Does anyone know about these, is that metal right or are they knock off recasts? For the price I don't actually mind, I didn't buy them as a collector and they do the display job just as well. The only other Dredd like this I saw was £40+ and can't afford that for just something sentimental. Or is that metal right (maybe that's why the gun snapped on the one I had as a kid because although strong it's brittle rather than flexible)?
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have you ever actually played Judge Dredd? The reason I ask is you seem to be really into getting everything when to put it bluntly 90% of those minis will never be used in a game ever.
If it is some pokemon gotta have them all thing with the minis then fair enough.
At the end of the day though you don't need most of the figs they made at all. Most of the non ganger figures fall into the mercenary category meaning they get used once in a blue moon at best and never at worst and then add to that about 2/3 of the stuff they made was far to overpowered for the game they made it for.
Most games of dredd is 500-1000pts and over that I suspect it would start to break badly.
It is a small gaming board skirmish game with a very small amount of figures. 10 gangers vs 2 judges on bikes sort of thing.
If you really want to do apocalypse war style fighting between MC1 and EM1 judges I would choose another rule system for a start.
Now the next bit is my personal opinion and I don't expect you to change yours.
The only figures you actually need to make dredd look totally 'official' is some judges. A bonus would be angel gang and judge death and pals and some fatties because fat men in miniature are hard to find. Every other fig can be proxied far too easily. Eureka minis for instance do entire gangs of assorted apes. More than enough variants and species and far nicer than the mongoose ones. Robots are everywhere, muties are a dime a dozen, gangers are a dime a dozen etc etc.
I have played metric crap tons of dredd and have yet to use a single official figure, still was judge dredd in every respect though.
I have the rules but not played it or really looked at them properly yet. I also have the original Dredd roleplaying game with all the stuff, played loads of that back in the day. I intend to pick from both that and Mongoose Dredd rules and merge into original 40k and wargame it on a 7x5 with around 50 or so figures per side, for games perhaps a few hours a day over several days. Will probably look at playing Meg 1, ruins of Meg2 and cursed earth. I got some Infinity Kazaks to try and bolster the East Meg numbers to match Meg1 but they're just too military and sensible (and their scale varies like mad), overall they break the spell of it being 2000AD. So I think I'm better just sticking with Warlord Dredd figures and allying East Meg with robots & street gangs & Apes etc. It doesn't have to make sensible sense just keep the 2000AD immersion and be fun :-) And lots of different little armies like East Meg, gangs, cultists will give lots of options to mix it up so it shouldn't get tired.
I've seen other manufacturers apes and remember the old Citadel ones, many are great, but I just really like the Mongoose style and they all work together. And I was able to get the Ape gang for £17.50 inc shipping off Altsain on ebay, will use 6 of the figures, less than £3 each, I think it's good enough value. Lots of others do have great gangers & robots etc and if they scale I'll be using some for definite. But East Meg are just too stylised to proxy for, they're like something out of 60's Star Trek, fit more with Pulp figures Radon Zombies than future war Soviet soldiers.
And Altsain has put up their latest listings, a great value pack of Judges (with the accountant judge and Meg2 Judge in), a couple of electric cordons, but those 2 are repeats of what they put up last week, and the rest Traveller books. Looks like that's it for the last Dredd stock.
edit - I do get the collectors bug (I'm a hunter rather than a farmer), but I reckon only on stuff worth collecting. I think this is, I think there's a generation in / approaching middle age who grew up with Dredd, over the next decade or so they'll be increasingly looking for hobbies as their kids move out and they approach retirement, being sentimental, looking to reconnect with old friends and find social things to do with them, some will return to old interests, childhood ambitions about miniatures & Dredd & stuff. It's proper cult and most of all for a generation that's likely to become increasingly reinterested in it again, in UK at least, I think it has more legs than almost anything else miniature wise out there.
edit - I do get what you mean, stick Dredd / a few Judges in a game with other figures and their identity is so strong, it's suddenly all 2000AD. And I think if you gamed a lot that would work great. But I'm going to be gaming much less than most, perhaps only a few times each year with old friends but when I do, I want it to be right and as immersive as possible.
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:-) It's because it's generation X, it's real, doesn't take itself too seriously, is tongue in cheek, not contrived or on the make trying to be attractive & popular, it's not sold out and is a peer with it's audience, doesn't get old, it matures and gets better. But in particular, for the first generation who were introduced to it and grew up with it, it's massive because they were the most gen X and so in tune with it, cuz it changed sci-fi for them (from trying to be profound to realism) and it happened to them all together so it's something they can share. Though like you say, every generation can get it and I bet they will keep on doing.
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Rule sets come and go, but your collection can be with you until you die.
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Ebay Altsain, there's a last load just gone on
Edit - Missed the bags of random Norts (someone grabbed the lot), but got a bag of Oz trikes for £10 (!) I am Mr Trike (it looks like I'll have spare I will swap or pass on at non inflated prices). And a new unreleased Dredd figure that looks easily best Judge anyone's ever done (imo, though there's still 1 Citadel with Mk1 Lawgiver that may just edge it), so they were capable of doing bombshell figures (though to be fair there are already a few in the range, Heroes of Meg1 has some really excellent stand out Judges). I can't believe this range isn't going to end up back on retail eventually with someone, there's too much good & new stuff.
I guess a kickstart figure (they posted the pic upside down, no clue at all how to flip it).
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That's a lovely model.
It's a good thing you got a hold of it.
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I hit lucky for once :-) It's tempting to cash in, I was watching the listings as that last batch appeared and there were 4 of those, some other rare stuff you could definitely sell on at profit, but I only bought 1 and what else I needed personally (though it has involved having to buy bundles like on the Trike where I'm duplicating some stuff). I've not seen many people on the make with this stuff yet (least of all Mongoose) and I hope it stays like that. There's also the very real chance this is just a blip and it will all be back in production and retailed by someone else (maybe Warlord on their own) soon enough, so buying to sell on for profit at inflated prices cuz it's OOP isn't a safe idea. I will definitely have spare of various things once I've sorted through.
edit - re the figure in particular, it's been made for a reason, it can't have been cheap to commission, if it's not part of the kickstart and isn't proof the range has a future and that someone will take it on, maybe it's going to be a gift to kickstarter's as it all ends (it was listed as just never released, which I think just means never retailed)? But whatever hopefully in the long run it's not going to be so rare anyone's unable to get one and left disappointed.
edit again - and I wouldn't be surprised if Warlord are taking at least some of it on. There's just too much new saleable stuff. And I got to buy a weird bundle off ebay a few days back, the starter set (which I needed) and 7 box sets all new, at exactly the 50% or less price Warlord had sold them for in their sale, like someone had bought a load to sell at profit by it being OOP, got wind it wasn't going to be for long and moved their stuff on quick. It stood out as wrong for being new, for being a collection a player wouldn't have bought but an obvious stock grab, and for being way too cheap for what 2nd hand player bundles go for (although those prices are down right now cuz fire sales have saturated market, it will come back).
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Are we going to see any of your figures painted or in action?
cheers
James
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Yes :-) Though I think it may take some months for me to paint some up. I haven't painted in years and I'm going to have to learn all over again. And there's so many new kinds of paint products, inks and washes and stuff. At least the paint isn't going OOP though and I can be relaxed about it :-P
edit - actually this was one of the appeals with Dredd. How clean / unbusy the range is, the standard uniforms, visors rather than eyes, if I can work on a couple of uncomplicated judges till I've got to an ok standard I take that onto a lot more figures and hopefully work my way back up to more difficult things.
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Yes I'm not criticising Mongoose to a serious degree I'm glad they did the range in the first place, and not that I know but I only hear good things about them being straight.
Thank you for the kind words, Ulfhednar.
I appreciate this is a bit of a blow for dedicated fans of Dredd (and Rogue Trooper) but the problem, fundamentally, is... we have never made any money out of Dredd. I mean really, aside from the core rulebooks for the RPGs, I am not sure there was ever much actual profit - it seems to be just a bit too niche when you look at it from a worldwide perspective (UK strong, Europe marginal, pockets in Australia and the US).
Basically, we did it because we like it and when you have a gaming company, well, what is the point if you can't do the things you love, eh?
This carried Dredd for us over 15 years (which is a helluva span for a licence - they normally go in three year periods) but, as they say, all good things come to an end.
Yes, we had plans in how to carry things on. Hondo-Cit Judges, Mad East Meg Scientists that could brainwash enemy models, a second edition that would really open up the types of games you could play and we never got round to the Eldster gang that I always promised myself.
However, at the end of the day, none of that was going to bring in the royalties that Rebellion (quite rightly) believe Dredd deserves, and our own efforts really are better off focussed on our core games (Traveller and Paranoia - the latter of which, incidentally, really rocks with the new edition!).
As soon as the decision was made to terminate the licence, I contacted another company to let them know what was happening, as I had a feeling they might have been interested - and we'll see what happens with that. Fingers crossed something happens there (and soon!), so Dredd fans may be well-served in the near future. If it does, I will be among them, this time as a customer.
Oh, and as for the Kickstarter pledges (both Dredd and Rogue), we have not shafted anyone yet in 15 years of business, and we are not going to start now. Everything has been sculpted and is waiting to be cast by our friends at Ainsty and Warlord. Everyone will get everything they pledged for, and that is a promise from me to you.
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our own efforts really are better off focussed on our core games (Traveller and Paranoia - the latter of which, incidentally, really rocks with the new edition!).
Any chance that as you don't now have to support the Dredd figure line we can see a Paranoia range to support the RPG?
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I'm a very big fan of what you've done with (and for) Dredd & the whole 2000AD thing, I just wish I'd got onto it sooner instead of catching the tale end. I think, certainly hope 'they' will take it on, it has too much going for it for them not to, though I guess it's as much to do with Rebellion and them possibly being misunderstanding over it's real benefit to them & how to work it. I think they must be less and have less going for them without you and your teams input and endeavours through the licence.
Yes Paranoia figures would be excellent, would fit right in, security guards and robots. And Grizzly's, they'd do for East Meg Holo's.
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Any chance that as you don't now have to support the Dredd figure line we can see a Paranoia range to support the RPG?
Well.
This has been talked about :)
The thing is, miniatures to support an RPG don't really work (there are, obviously, exceptions), especially for something like Paranoia - and especially the new edition which... well, wait until you see it, you'll understand. In my own opinion, it is the best Paranoia yet (James Wallis really did a job on it), but suitable for miniatures support it ain't.
We did do a small range of Paranoia miniatures before, and I thought they were quite good (the Int Sec guys were brilliant), but they weren't a massive success.
For Paranoia miniatures, you really need a Paranoia miniatures game - and that is a toughie. I mean, it needs to be funny, right? It needs to make players, well, paranoid. It needs to be Paranoia, not just some skirmish games with Troubleshooters in it.
Not easy.
But, earlier this year, we hit upon an idea. We now think we know how to at least approach a Paranoia miniatures game, and that is a start.
It won't happen soon. We have the first and second wave of support for the new RPG to get through first, along with some pretty ambitious ideas for Traveller (and now it looks like Victory at Sea is rearing its head once more). And then there is the small matter that we just plain won't do miniatures ourselves any more (we know it is not where our talents lie and, frankly, there are other companies who do them better, so we will rope one of them into the fold).
I think it is probably two years away. But we have the idea on how to do it now. And that, for a Paranoia miniatures game, is probably the hardest bit.
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The Paranoia Kickstarter is only 18 months overdue with no confirmed delivery date...
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The Paranoia Kickstarter is only 18 months overdue with no confirmed delivery date...
It is at print right now.
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I disagree that your companies talents don't lie with metal miniatures (can't comment on resin kits as not been there yet), in that the end product is often something really special and has charm and character like figures used to have, when it was still an enthusiast thing before GW's flattened the gaming world with Space Marines and it all became much more mass produced & on the make. But then I only see the end product and appreciate that it's possibly a challenge making the miniatures side work and controlling it all like the rules side isn't.
But re you saying you need a miniatures game to sell miniatures, wargaming sells miniatures much more than roleplaying, why GW never did the Traveller competing Rogue Trader that they kept promising us and instead did 40k. Dredd has massive potential with wargaming (50 to 100 figs per side), Apocalypse / Block / MegaCiti Wars, & armies of cultists and zombies etc, I think it might have become the new cult wargame and done really well. The existing Dredd range you've achieved is an opportunity that I think must definitely be worth someone taking on, the width of the range is a fantastic foundation (of niche enthusiast things that are great to have, give the whole thing credibility but might not have been worth doing themselves as they're too roleplaying & enthusiast to deliver big sales), with a lot of the low hanging fruit like the wargaming aspect that I imagine can deliver big sales just waiting for a few more of the right figures to make it viable (to create balance between sides and variation to avoid duplication, to keep it looking real and stop it appearing like GW's mass produced stuff) and it's there for the taking.
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I disagree that your companies talents don't lie with metal miniatures
Oh, we can do a good miniatures from time to time :) We also have a rel passion for them. However, there is more to a miniatures business than that, and other companies just do it better. Both we and our customers are better off if we concentrate on games design and book production, and leave miniatures to our friends in other companies.
Dredd has massive potential with wargaming (50 to 100 figs per side), Apocalypse / Block / MegaCiti Wars, & armies of cultists and zombies etc, I think it might have become the new cult wargame and done really well.
The problem is that Dredd sits right in the Sci-fi Skirmish area - the most competitive area of miniatures gaming imaginable. People need a reason to not do (say) 40k, or Infinity, or Warmachine. For some, the fact that it is Dredd is enough. For others they need to be offered something else, and that is a Big Ask for sci-fi skirmish. If you push it up to 50-100 models a side, then you are going up against the Daddy of them all, 40k - and that is a whole new ball game.
That is just my perspective, of course. We'll see what happens next with Dredd.
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Yes, I guess the charm & delicacy of the figures is a consequence of them being an enthusiast thing & so them not necessarily being efficiently designed / controlled, it has probably been more trouble for you than for another Company that generates figures just as their main product and without being too involved in any individual ones of them. Your figures really do remind me of the old Citadel Runequest figures, exquisite little things that were Citadel's artistic highpoint before GW's got efficient with 40k.
Re skirmish wargaming, I just think Dredd / 2000AD has it, by being urban / civil rather than military (that is too pretentious and pumped up, can't accommodate tongue in cheek and still be mature), with the hugely distinctive colourful uniforms. Meg1 v East Meg colours like a sci-fi Napoleonic French v Russians, the game feels like ACW in being civil and so a bit desperate giving it atmosphere, it has that spectacle element but instead of big units, individual figures or small units that you can to an extent roleplay as you wargame. As a spectacle it pops like I don't think other sci-fi can, cuz it's too realistic or busy or over the top). I think it has it all, best of all worlds like no other imagining really could have because they're either too serious, or too contrived & trying to be something they're not, I think Dredd is already naturally what it needs to be and doesn't need to try, just needs to open up a bit, get some practical depth rather than more enthusiast width and the right wargaming proposition to go with it. Maybe that's more Warlords world, I think they'd do much better with MegaCiti-Wars (that might lead in the pack) than they'll do with things like Konflikt 47 (that is just following the pack as another me-too).
edit - re below and the the larger UK population being locked into the older comic style Dredd that isn't as saleable (certainly in America) as the modern gritty film version, I agree, but I don't think the 2 co-existing is conflicting, rather I think they could co-exist and the older one give the new one heritage credibility. 60's camp TV Batman doesn't detract from the gritty dark comic version, if someone made those camp 60's figures, a different audience would buy them without it putting off those into the modern stuff, it would augment the modern stuff & make the whole thing bigger, not get in it's way. And I think keeping the older version of Dredd alive should be really important to Rebellion, they've absolutely wringed everything they can out of their traditional products in the comic and book market, ebay is awash with that stuff 2nd hand very cheap, this game and range must have significantly helped keep all that alive and relevant.
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People need a reason to not do (say) 40k, or Infinity, or Warmachine. For some, the fact that it is Dredd is enough. For others they need to be offered something else, and that is a Big Ask for sci-fi skirmish.
This is exactly right, Original Dredd has a very limited demographic who all relate back to the classic 2000AD era. The new movies and franchising are moving away from the look and feel (and satire) of the original and closer to the mainstream gritty sci-fi genre that everyone else is trying to create a market in.
A Paranoia game system would be great if you can make it as imbalanced and unpredictable as the RPG scenarios were. I can imagine it will be a hard one to do, probably impossible if you try and work within the constraints of existing "X points per side" forces and stale dice dependent mechanics.
Really interested to hear more about the ideas you have if it starts to come together (Security clearance permitting). I dropped out of the Kickstarter when it became clear it was not suitable for figure gaming but regret not staying around for at least the pdf releases to see where it has gone.
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To contrast with Ulf, to me Dredd is far better off as a smaller skirmish game.
It never struck me to be an "army" sized game. As 40k has already been mentioned I think it's worth noting that GW themselves appear to be realising that smaller games are more popular, more appealing to more people and that for a long time they have been pushing in the opposite direction and alienating that part of the market as a result.
In regards to what you are saying about miniatures and coupled with your previous comments I may sound a tad harsh in agreeing with you. I think in some ways you suffered due to the fact that some of the range was outstanding and then this was used as a bench mark for the rest of the range.
When you are a company such as yourselves this may well be unnavoidable due to buying in different sculptors with different styles and experience levels. There are so many factors that I think many people are not aware of when it comes to trying to commission a range.
So at this point, with several growing players in the industry I think for licensed stuff it makes sense to team up with people.
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When I say wargame, I really mean skirmish wargame with only 50 to 100 figures per side (maybe less, maybe only 30 to 50 per side, I'll see how it works), urban Stalingrad type warfare with lots of terrain to create mazes and to avoid too much line of sight, and with carnage a real potential so the numbers don't necessarily mean much unless you're careful and roleplay it out more. It was the unthinking, just plays out as you set it up big set battle stuff in 40k that originally put me off and caused me to leave the hobby as much as anything, it didn't work at this scale, before I gave it all up I did start to get into 6mm Epic for that exact reason. But ultimately I just don't believe in large scale sci-fi warfare, they'd use nano-tech, targeted tech and remote weapons of mass destruction, they definitely won't be having tanks with Imperial Guard tank crew stood in open hatches waving swords shouting charge, and batteries of barrage guns a few feet (inches) behind the front line. (I think Rogue Trooper would have got it much more right, that would have been great).
Dredd is perfect for sci-fi warfare (because it needs to be small scale and personal). The Dredd range has enough in Mega-City One forces to create a skirmish wargame force. Brit-Cit is getting there too, as allies or maybe even a stand alone (if you converted a holo-judge and maybe a tech & med judge to Brit Cit, and a Citi-Def). But there's not a viable enemy in the range to make an opposing bad-guy force (especially considering the casualties they'd suffer fighting Meg One Judges), brilliant though the figures are, there's too few East Meg, too few cultists, zombie hordes are an option but the zombie conversion pack is really only for expert modellers and still only offers 4 figures, etc.
Eg - I'd love to be able to create a small force for each of the Judges of the World, then I could mix it up endlessly with allies and enemies, in total freedom but the hugely distinctive and in tune with one another uniforms and crazy tech tying it all together visually. It's already doable with the Texas Judge using proxies for his posse of deputies (with various sci-fi cowboys and cowboy robots), Scotia Grendals Void 1.1 Vasa Marines would make a great camp deputy force to go with the Argentina Judge, Urban War Vasa sci-fi Romans would work with the Vatican Judge (and if they scale GW's Sisters of Battle would make great fighting nuns), Foundry's old Citadel Rogue Trader inquisition would make great Vril Cit judges (that I've decided is under the Antarctic) led by Hitler Bot and bent on taking over the World, that could include all sorts of alternate / sci-fi WW2 German figures etc. To me it looks like endless really colourful and characterful (and so hugely immersive and compelling) fun pulp fiction skirmish wargaming. And it bolts into other games, like Mars Attacks (or Aliens / Tyrannids etc) would make a great skirmish wargaming enemy for Meg 1 (or any of the Meg-Cities).
edit - the range does allow it if you just play urban Mega City One gang trouble, you could create a big enough force out of the Warlord Dredd punks, + using proxies, and allying them with the Apes and maybe robots. But imo there's so much potential in the Dredd world and with what Mongoose have already started in the range for it to be much more.
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Re that unreleased Dredd figure I posted the picture of and some were maybe frustrated there weren't more. Received it today and it's a beautiful figure, delighted I got it but it's quite big, it's as tall and slightly bigger overall than the Judge Giant figure in the Heroes box set. I think it's still usable in game as a big Judge (just like Judge Giant is), and being such a good figure and big would be a fantastic painted display figure, but still I'm going to guess it was unreleased as it was slightly large & out of scale, and so some may not need to be as frustrated at not getting one? If I had to chose only one, the released Dredd in the Heroes box set is probably the better more usable figure. If this figure does ever get retailed I think it's definitely worth having, it's proper quality, just maybe not quite as useful as some other lead character figures that are already available / easier to get.
edit - it's about the same scale as the riot Judge with baton, but slightly bigger chested. So it's large but it does fit in and work, it is a beautiful figure and will look amazing painted, but it's not a perfect Judge Dredd (at least to game with) that people necessarily need to stress about not having. It is real quality though, easily good enough for retail so hopefully will get there one day.
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delighted I got it but it's quite big, it's as tall and slightly bigger overall than the Judge Giant figure in the Heroes box set.
That is why it wasn't released. It was a model done without commission (Shane did quite a few models like that), but the scale was a smidgin off so it was used as a promo model at an event.
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As a matter of interest, was there a Judge Koburn sculpted and ready to go if the licence had continued, so if someone were to take it on & retail it or some of it again, might Judge Koburn be something that could feasibly still come along retail later, or was that abandoned mid-development with the character not done so definitely won't happen?
It's just that I have the Judge Koburn Grav Bike (a really nice miniature), spare legs from all the different riders so that's ok but finding an upper half or more to the point a head to convert into a proper Judge Koburn is a thing. I assume he's based on James Koburn from Steiner in the film Iron Cross, and Warlord do do a decent Steiner head in fatigue cap in their WW2 German Bolt action spares. But it has no goggles and the cap is way wrong.
Then I found a cap with goggles that would work ok enough, but the head it's already on would work too, as Judge Koburness, which would be more fun and make it not a waste of time if a real Judge Koburn turns up one day. But if one definitely won't be coming along (within this range as far as what exists now) maybe I should stick with making him?
(http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/images/Urban%20Viridians/13151_Land_Pilot.jpg)
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As a matter of interest, was there a Judge Koburn sculpted and ready to go if the licence had continued, so if someone were to take it on & retail it or some of it again, might Judge Koburn be something that could feasibly still come along retail later, or was that abandoned mid-development with the character not done so definitely won't happen?
No. It was on the list of things to do :)
The grav bike was originally going to be part of the biker gangs, but the sculpt was too close (read: exact) to Koburn's bike, so we pulled it to one side with the intention of doing him after the KS sculpts were done.
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Hi,
I've been following this thread with interest. I'm a long-
time Dredd fan, going right back to his first appearence in 2000 AD prog 2. Back in the 80's I both played and GM'd the GW roleplaying game and really enjoyed it. I've owned, painted, and sold both sets of the old Citadel Judges and the later Mongoose ones. Back in the summer I went halves on a starter set for the JD miniatures game but put the project on a back burner.
The demise of the Mongoose/Warlord figures was a blow at first because I'd always hoped to do something with my Judge Dredd project but it galvanised me to get what figures I could while they were available. I've got perps (from the starter set) and was able to source a set of East Meg Invasion Force, a Judge Cal Retinue and various other bits and bobs. Judges I've been able to source from Foundry. So I've got enough figures to game aspects of the Cursed Earth, The Day the Law Died, the Apocalypse War, and maybe Necropolis or Judgement Day.
I have to say that I'm very happy with the Mongoose/Warlord figures, they are very nicely done and very true to the spirit of the comic. It's easy to critiscise Mongoose but they made a considerable achievement. It isn't surprising that they didn't make much profit from Dredd as it is a niche and the licence granters could pull the strings any way they wanted. We take for granted scores of figures based on copywrited characters, whether it's from companies producing "not"figures trying to fly under the radar and avoid cease and desist notices or companies paying for licences but suffering the cost to the point where they can't turn a profit.
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Great, thanks for letting me know, I think skirmish gaming Justice Dept raids into Cursed Earth is my best bet to start with and Judge Koburn (or Koburness, it's tempting) would make a great Scout Judge. The grav bike is such an excellent model :-)
Btw in case anyone is interested, I've found good old Prince August do what looks like a small but very compatible range called Future Wars / Bitume, they seem to be having an overstock sale, and tonight (I guess being Irish & looking at America) are also having a 50% off Black Friday sale too, so there's some in the Future Wars range tonight (until 8am their time tomorrow morning) £1.08 per figure. Like a Police scientist who'd fit right into East Meg, and for £3.18 (reduced from £9.88) a bloke on a chair in front of a PC who'd work great or at least be a start for the one in the Dredd film with the bionic eyes, some cool citizens, and a Policeman on a bike, that looks like a child's bike compared to proper Lawmasters and could do for an Irish Judge on bike :-) And he's only £3.18! Don't trust the prices, some of the discount isn't applied till it's in basket so you have to test it out, could be less in basket than it's listing in catalogue.
Looking on the net the casts aren't too bad (though not great detail), in particular they have a cranky looking CyberCop / Justice Robot that works for £2.17, if it all scales, described as 28mm, probably not heroic but a couple of figures will do for some interest and cannon fodder. They have a female punk in exactly the right pads to be a perp or a cursed earth Judge. And shocktroopers that would do for Justice dept support troops or guards (but only 2, so it's probably diluting the uniforming without adding enough volume to be worth getting).
edit - re above post that I crossed without realising sorry to jump past, I agree, and I think it / Mongoose (doing it so right, as far as they went) does Rebellion and their larger opportunities such a favour, I'm inclined to think the licence should be free but granted to one company (like Mongoose) on image control conditions, and it be used to generate / maintain awareness and interest for properly big ambitions.
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...... proper Judge Koburn is a thing. I assume he's based on James Koburn from Steiner in the film Iron Cross........
Coburn yes, but originally from the character in 'Magnificent Seven'. Koburn was based on the wonderful Major Eazy from the old Battle comic (now also owned by Rebellion) an early character from Carlos Ezquerra.
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Thanks for the info, despite being into the Dredd / 2000AD world I didn't actually read it much (I had dyslexia and stuff so didn't tend to read, my brother was well into it and is the expert on it), I just liked the pictures :-) And shiny free stickers.
The Koburn character definitely has a WW2 German field cap (with the button middle front holding up the side flaps) like Steiner wore, has German WW2 goggles, a Mauser style gun, the Justice eagles are small on his pads like the 3rd Reich Eagle, is behind enemy lines as it were in the Cursed Earth, overall he's very Steiner (but maybe with an Afrika Korp rather than Ostfront feel). I guess Steiner must have been part of the influence that went into that character originally, though I don't doubt that as you say the main & overall driving inspiration was Koburn in the Magnificent 7 (and probably just Koburn overall, cuz he was always the same kind of guy in every film he was in).
I think a Judge Koburness would be best to do rather than Koburn, an obviously alternate version then I don't have to worry if the pads etc are exactly right for Koburn in the comic. And I think he may still come along one day, if the party potentially interested in taking this range on is Warlord, if they see Koburn as Steiner (one of only a handful of WW2 German popular culture heroes, a figure they've apparently done on several occasions for Bolt Action & do already have a head sculpt for, though in 28mm true rather than heroic, but they're capable of it), if the Grav Bike sculpt is passed over, it may be something they'd really want to add to the range themselves. It's encouraging that a lot of sculpting was apparently outsourced of Mongoose, gives the potential that if it is taken on by someone else those same people could be commissioned again to do a bit more (though I guess not new types as there won't be the new rules for them.
edit - in fact someone at Warlord did a Judge Koburn conversion (in his Grav car), so it's apparently a character some there are conscious of and would like.
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Coburn yes, but originally from the character in 'Magnificent Seven'. Koburn was based on the wonderful Major Eazy from the old Battle comic (now also owned by Rebellion) an early character from Carlos Ezquerra.
(http://fanboy.frothersunite.com/imag/majoreasy/standing.jpg)
That's interesting, coz Easy was (to an extent) based on Coburn, too.
(http://www.trashmutant.com/uploads/1/0/9/8/10984559/7007722.png?549)
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That's interesting, coz Easy was (to an extent) based on Coburn, too.
Major Eazy was first in print in Jan 1976 while Cross was not released until Summer 1977. This debate was an issue even back then.
There is a great Eazy fanpage on Frothers that covers this history. There was some thought that he was actually based on Clint Eastwood's character in the spaghetti western movies.
Including an interview with Carlos Ezquerra himself where he is asked directly.
http://fanboy.frothersunite.com/MajorEazy_ezquerra.html (http://fanboy.frothersunite.com/MajorEazy_ezquerra.html)
Including 'Rat Pack' and "Darkie's Mob" Rebellion have a wonderful set of iconic characters from this era that they could licence out.
I really wish I still had my collection of Battle from those days, used to buy it compulsively each week from issue 1
edit: Actually if it is Warlord who take on Dredd and deal direct with Rebellion then the opportunities for licensed Bolt Action theme packs arises...... :-*
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It is proper popular culture cult stuff from before the 80's (the 80's being the point everything started to get too cute & contrived with counter culture taking off in contrast), feeding into 2000AD cult stuff, keeping it real and it has so much potential.
I really do hope Warlord (or whoever it is) take it on and add just a bit more depth, like a proper Judge Koburn, I think Cursed Earth offers the easiest skirmish wargaming options (certainly re terrain, and best chance of getting Lawmasters properly involved), possibly the most interesting with a proper story line, there's a definite Union States vibe about Meg1 & the Judges, a potential Confederate states / Southern (and Western) vibe about the Cursed Earth lot, there's the Meg 2 ruins that could account for East Meg fighting in support of the Cursed Earth Confederacy, and characters like Koburn fit in perfectly.
edit - I think they maybe already accommodated Clint Eastwood in Dredd. He's Dirty Harry all over, but I think there's artistic links into the spaghetti westerns too, like how Clint Eastwood would be pictured with the hat brim shadow covering the top half of his face like Dredd's visor, there are lots of references in common (though it may not have been consciously intentional, popular culture was thick with this stuff back then and it got into everything a bit).
edit - re Warlord if it is them and they do get it, if they commission the same or similar quality sculptors I think the potential for the range being filled out and given depth for wargaming (rather than just being left as it is or being further expanded with more width for enthusiasts & for roleplaying) is definitely there & will be in good hands. And they're big into vehicles, which could help too.
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Not to sound too mercenary but I thought some might be interested I up and went to the bazaar to put up my JD miniatures collection as I've realised I'll never get around to completing and painting it now.
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Carlos Ezquerra also cast James Coburn as Jim diGriz.
(http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/w519/SteveFlanaganUK2/Odds%20and%20Ends/2000ad0141_zpskhavmuir.jpg) (http://s1079.photobucket.com/user/SteveFlanaganUK2/media/Odds%20and%20Ends/2000ad0141_zpskhavmuir.jpg.html)
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Ok now I'm gutted not going with buying the Dredd figures when I had the chance, when the box sets were 2 for 1 I wished I had the spare cash at the time.
But as I've got a number of things that can be "proxies" I can work with that - as I'm going with a Bit Cit flavour I've got Lion shoulder pads and Police heads with various GW stuff to provide legs and torsos. Cal Hab get kilt legs from Kromlech and Victoria Miniatures alongside sword arms ,and Heads from Puppets of War.
But I really would like to see the Bit Cit figures that didn't make it on sale any pictures of the Lion Bike or the miniatures..
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Regarding Brit-Cit judges, a seller in Spain on ebay, pepon84dj, still has the Brit-Cit judges box set, with postage it works out roughly £30. I suspect the range will be back on retail with Warlord at some point in the future, though that is it's standard retail price anyway. Altsain (Mongoose) on ebay also have a loose set of Brit Cit judges for slightly less, but is missing a Judge version pointing gun and has 2 duplicate PSI's instead. If you need a set the Spanish guy has the complete one. He also combines postage and has a few other things like Mechanismo's etc.
I have spare new box sets of Citi-Def x3, Renegade Robots x1, Street Gang x1, maybe Heroes of Meg 1 x 1, and a few duplicates of other individual figures & lawmasters, from buying bundles to get stuff I still needed or to convert, bought at around the 50% to 70% sale price that I'm happy to pass on if people missed out. I myself am missing the Judges with heavy weapons (lazooka and stub-gun) and Trike (I have a bag of Trike spares but need a complete one to make them work), and would do swaps. But I think this stuff will be back in retail at some point anyway.
This is the picture of the unreleased Brit-Cit Judge on Iron Horse, or Lion (?) lawmaster. They only sold one off on ebay (before I realised they were selling stuff off).
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ZscAAOSwpLNX~ijq/s-l1600.jpg)
They had a Cal Hab one too, and 2 new variants of Cal-Hab on foot (one with a Claymore).
There's an old Citadel Brit Cit lawmaster on ebay right now I think for a tenner, caked in paint has probably protected some of its detail. But I reckon this Dredd range will be back on with Warlord at some point over the next year, then that rare new Brit-Cit lawmaster might get retailed and would be the better option.
If you're looking for Brit Cit-Def Proxies, I thought these (in the red para hats) from Moonraker would do. Only 5, more in helmets but I think they lose the vibe. And there's that Infinity SAS girl Uxia McNeill (old style, which scales with Dredd, the new style is much smaller and they're stupidly expensive anyway. Though they do have Cals). Tempting but I'm already having to return some Infinity figures cuz they're too small and just too military / realistic, not wacky sci-fi enough, wrong style.
It is a thing how futuristic the style in Dredd and this range is, even things like laced boots can look wrong, if you're going to try proxies maybe get just one or 2 and try it, it's surprising what doesn't work and it's hard to tell till you put them next to one another. Cranky robots might be a better option, Brit-Cit Mechanismo's like ones below. There's probably some good Scottish robots about too.
(http://moonrakerminiatures.com/images/0429t.jpg)
http://moonrakerminiatures.com/troopers.htm
Brit Robot from North Star Games
(http://www.northstarfigures.com/images/7/img8247.jpg)
from clockwork Goblin (though be careful of Konflikt 47, it's true 28mm not 28mm heroic, slightly smaller than Dredd and looks wrong. Blackball AE might be better and they have great figures and robots, but expensive).
(http://www.beastsofwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/28mm-British-Automatons-394x295.jpg)
Personally I've come to the conclusion proxy robots are great, gangers can be (especially Cursed Earth), but it's very hard if not impossible to find other proxy stuff that will mix with Judges and Meg1, Brit-Cit, or East-Meg style.
edit - also, if Warlord do take this range on their instinct might be more wargaming than roleplaying, adding to the range slightly to make it better for wargaming might be something they do as it allows them to add figures without needing new rules, and if it better accommodated wargaming it would make it a more natural & easier cross-sell into their existing Bolt Action base. A bit of patience might see us getting the range back and over time a little bit more choice added to it so we can do more with it and not need proxies. Brit-Cit Citi-Def would be great.
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These guys would make suitable characters as well - cursed earth mebbe?
(http://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/images/img253.jpg)
http://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/prod.php?prod=253
(http://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/images/img16.jpg)
For robots.
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A lot of these figures, being lovely Copplestone, may make Dredd look pretty small? Well, the Mongoose Dredd anyway. The Foundry Judges are suitably chunky (and are the ones I'm mainly using)
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Warlord Dredd is a difficult scale at 28mm heroic especially with them being delicate (not chunky), but I personally much prefer them to the Foundry Dredd / 2000AD figures, I don't think they've captured the feel of the comic, there's no feeling of vamp and the figures don't convince as being alive, I don't think Foundry are necessarily great at characters, they're perhaps more focused on the efficient and the larger volumes required for traditional wargaming. It's a big thing for me as I'm very visual and I think this is among the best looking and feeling figure range I've seen since 80's Runequest. But it's just personal taste, Foundry are great and their range is at least very useful for filling out the Warlord Dredd range a bit, for others it can do a lot more for them and great.
I've found Konflikt 47 is true 28mm and too small. The few bits of old Citadel I've been able to compare seems to match up ok (like a mint Mutie Skink that I picked up for a couple of pound off ebay, though he may be small anyway), Infinity really doesn't work (some of it scales ok, others are way too small, but the style is too busy and contrived to fit). Haven't tried Copplestone yet, there's lots that would work great as gangers / cursed Earth, but in particular that set of 4 you posted looks perfect, thanks for pointing them out, could be straight out the Angel Gang. So regardless, on basis some people are bigger and some smaller I'm definitely getting those 4 at least. And when I get round to it at least a few from Lead Adventure shop too, like this one who'd fit right in (though would be better if converted to a gun, looks possible).
(http://www.lead-adventure.com/images/PA-44.jpg)
See how that scales (as the Lead Adventure shop range is excellent with lots in), I guess a lot will be trial and error.
And I found this from Reaper, a Space Marshall with a 5 star badge, I think will do as a Texas-City holo mk1 (if it scales, have to try it and see).
(http://miniature-heroes.co.uk/bmz_cache/c/cf00ab69118058b8dbf9b078d1020def.image.220x239.jpg)
(http://miniature-heroes.co.uk/bmz_cache/0/0dba587115b3bc56fd1740d2a2347639.image.100x121.jpg)
edit - re the East Meg robot, I'm parking East Meg for now & until there's some more figures available (or until I've tried & proved myself competent with that green stuff for adding pads etc for convincing conversions) I don't think there's the variant / depth available to do it properly, and trying to force it is just making it wrong. It has too much of a particular style, the Sentanoids are too wacky to fit with sensible military style walkers (though that isn't a problem, just get more Sentanoids, their legs and arms can be varied so they all look different). The problem is there's a definite lack of soft targets and cannon fodder in the East Meg ranks, it's the citi-def / cannon fodder trooper equivalent they're lacking, or just lots more Sov Judge variants, 9 or 10 (all this range has, plus 1 from Foundry) isn't enough to assault any bit of Meg1, and augmenting them with combat robots that spit guns would struggle with leaves citi-def and civilians too little to contribute.
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A trader on ebay, miniaturemen07 has listed some Warlord Dredd individual mini's very good prices, especially on a lawmaster (that he described as Cadet but is actually the male Judge with 2 hands on handlebars from the Lawmaster patrol box set) and a Holo mk 1, but they are going fast.
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Hope it's not against the rules, but if anyone did want to get hold of a near complete Dredd KS package, I've put mine up in the Bazaar as I'm never going to get the enthusiasm back for the project.
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A few weeks back I'd have snatched your hand off but I've caught up with most of it now (at probably a much higher cost than your's is offered at). I've posted on the thread in case you decide to split it later. Though maybe someone like Miniature Heroes would want it to part it out, there's obviously profit in it if you've your own site and so are not paying ebay charges to sell it on.
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And I found this from Reaper, a Space Marshall with a 5 star badge, I think will do as a Texas-City holo mk1 (if it scales, have to try it and see).
(http://miniature-heroes.co.uk/bmz_cache/c/cf00ab69118058b8dbf9b078d1020def.image.220x239.jpg)
(http://miniature-heroes.co.uk/bmz_cache/0/0dba587115b3bc56fd1740d2a2347639.image.100x121.jpg)
I don't know about Judge Dredd figs, but the Space Marshal is a fairly tall fig. At least a couple mm taller than Pig Iron figs.
(https://comradewargames.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/img_20160811_224059.jpg?w=627&h=355)
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Excellent thanks, sounds like it should work :-) Even if it ends up not fitting in though it looks really good in your picture and worth getting. Reaper do a few really nice figures.
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ebay Altsain, more stuff, I've just fixed my Judges with lazooka and stub gun problem, a lot :-)
edit - that's me finally sorted, except for a Trike & Brit Cit iron horse lawmaster. Among various spares I have a spare Mongrel and that rare big Judge Dredd (it may be better with an ace painter whose into displaying), I could be convinced to swap :-) I'll sort through and put a list in bazaar of what I have spare in next week or so.
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Excellent thanks, sounds like it should work :-) Even if it ends up not fitting in though it looks really good in your picture and worth getting. Reaper do a few really nice figures.
Your Welcome!
It really is a cool figure. I don't mind a bit of differing in heights especially if it's for special character figs. Sometimes I'll also compensate for various sizes through basing.
I don't have it in my collection, but I don't recall the space marshal being as oversized as some of the other Chronoscope figs that are true giants. As an example their Mad-Max fig is a cool mini, but it is enormous when put next to 28mm figs.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Egvo1NqesZQ/T5RElyLmKMI/AAAAAAAABwI/gt49p5nGTLg/s1600/Mad+Maxes.jpg)
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28mm is a weird scale, it seems to encompass heroic 25mm up to 32mm. I think Warlord Dredd must be 28mm heroic, so while some stuff definitely doesn't work (like Konflikt 47), quite a bit seems it can fit in if you choose carefully and hopefully a few Reaper will. The different bases is a great idea. I was looking at that Mad Max / Rex Road Future Hero one but the style won't really fit in with Dredd. This Reaper one might though, I think I'm going to get a Cursed Earth Confederacy going:
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e295/saraisakkara/Thebaron.jpg)
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EM4 seem really good. I guess it makes sense with how the internet opened things up but not having kept track over the years (I quit pre internet & when GW's had almost completely taken over), it's amazing how many excellent smaller enthusiast figure manufacturers there are these days, I've found a few real gems.
CP Models do loads of really nice figures (including great Star Trek ones that would be lots of fun in Dredd), and these would be excellent for Rogue Trooper for alternate troops:
(http://www.cpmodelsminiatures.co.uk/brit%20trenchers%202.jpg)
And if they scale Shadowforge do some figures that would work perfectly with my Vatican Judge as fighting nuns, the Sisters of Divine Justice, they even have a mortar for Justice from above. Or they could be Brit-Cit Womens Institute Citi-Def, Jam and Justice.
(http://www.shadowforge.com.au/images/1scm171.jpg)
And then there's these that I found last night, if they scale (had a chat with the guy and he said he'd post a pic to see how they do) would work fantastic as a Native American style Cursed Earth (or crazy Meg 1) gang, part of a Cursed Earth Confederacy. Post apocalyptic cowboys / Southern rebel / badland outlaws definitely need some Native American types.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/012/367/160/a652738570f3cd59635b852720a775ab_original.jpg?w=460&fit=max&v=1463757197&auto=format&q=92&s=1c20b048f0542a1071b72d366e1c08d2)
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And then there's these that I found last night, if they scale (had a chat with the guy and he said he'd post a pic to see how they do) would work fantastic as a Native American style Cursed Earth (or crazy Meg 1) gang, part of a Cursed Earth Confederacy. Post apocalyptic cowboys / Southern rebel / badland outlaws definitely need some Native American types.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/012/367/160/a652738570f3cd59635b852720a775ab_original.jpg?w=460&fit=max&v=1463757197&auto=format&q=92&s=1c20b048f0542a1071b72d366e1c08d2)
I will pop up some scale comparisons later alongside my Mongoose Judges.
Anything in particular from the Outlanders range you want me to use...?
Have a look here and let me know if there is:
http://blindbeggarminiatures.co.uk/shop/categories/Sci-Fi
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I think they'd all work. Your Outlanders is a brilliant range, I think the style fits perfectly and it's a full gang / tribe of proper post apocalyptic Native Americans (and not cliched Apaches, proper North American ones). I was looking at a blog on the net where they gamed a Cursed Earth scenario focused on a trailer trash type settlement called Standard Falls, these would have fitted in perfectly. And not just as troop alternatives, but for the community overall, the Mayor (and his robo-duck), Customs official (and that ace robot) would be great civilians for it.
If it scales ok, I'm definitely going to be getting the Marshal and robo-dog, female outlanders, and one or 2 other packs for now, then hopefully more later (when my finances have recovered from chasing that Dredd range) to fill out the whole gang. It's great the range has interesting females (and not gratuitously dressed / posed ones, not that there's anything wrong with that but when that's all there is it's a bit too much), but also males too (and a couple of juves), so it's a proper mixed community, which makes the few female figures stand out more in their own right, in context that makes them believable / interesting.
So Marshal, robo-dog, female outlanders, shaman pack (that has a tall and little guy in) should give a good idea on how the various figures scale.
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Here are some shots that I have to hand showing how the Outlanders scale with each other....
(http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a416/blindbeggarminiatures/IMG_1724_zpsifle1m7b.jpg)
(http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a416/blindbeggarminiatures/IMG_1718_zpsbbdwyvex.jpg)
(http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a416/blindbeggarminiatures/IMG_1712_zpslhu59atk.jpg)
(http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a416/blindbeggarminiatures/IMG_1724_zpsifle1m7b.jpg)
I will sort out some shots of the figures that you mentioned with Judges later.
Edit: There are more here: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=86600.75
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I just realised that the quickest and easiest way to do this was just to move some figures around in one of my cabinets and throw some random Judges in the mix.
So, here ya go, with the figures that you mentioned:
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p419/thebeggarscave/JD%20Comparison%20pic_zpsxdocny6w.jpg)
Not the best picture but it does give an idea of size/scale comparison.
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The Outlanders figures are full of character. I'll be using mine as Cursed Earthers, amongst other things.
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They scale really well & look superb. I've become a bit nervous on scale since I got some Konflikt 47 Soviet armoured infantry (thinking they'd make good East Meg grunts) and at 28mm true they are obviously a tiny bit too small. If it were just a couple of figures wouldn't have mattered but I intended to have lots as a main force and it wasn't going to work. Then I tried Infinity, their older ones scale but the newer ones are much smaller. I've seen people complain about a few of the Mongoose / Warlord Dredd being off-scale (like the female Cadet judge and maybe the riot judge), but it's only the odd figure and is explicable by the fact people are different sizes. But some Infinity (that I never see people complain about) was so different to others it's like they're from different manufacturers completely and aren't meant to work together.
These Outlanders scale great with Dredd & will work brilliantly as Cursed Earth community, maybe as part of a Confederacy threatening Federal / Union style Meg 1 or as good guys being irregulars to the Meg 1 Judges. Off to ebay to buy some now. I'm overspent catching up on the Warlord Dredd stuff a bit :-P so can't get it all in one go as I'd like but will be back for more. Your sand people look excellent for Cursed Earth too.
Re full of character I agree, apart from their costume fitting in perfectly with Cursed Earth (and being Native American style & as a proper community giving it a sense of realism / depth that is maybe missing from how it's often portrayed), they just have the right comic style. Like Mongoose figures they are hugely charming and human, they have natural vamp :-)
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If you are going to purchase any I would suggest going direct to the website:
http://blindbeggarminiatures.co.uk/shop/categories/Sci-Fi
That way I avoid ebay fees, which allows me to give away freebies instead.
Everyone's a winner that way.
;)
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Yes I will I just remembered you'll get hammered by crazy ebay charges.
edit - ebay is a fantastic advertising channel, I only discovered this big new (to me) miniature world from coming across stuff on ebay, would never have found most of it otherwise. It's definitely worth having a presence there if you can establish a direct relationship with the buyers after their first purchase, even with the fees it's very low cost customer recruitment for something that must struggle to get seen outside of the immersed enthusiast community that already knows.
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I just realised that the quickest and easiest way to do this was just to move some figures around in one of my cabinets and throw some random Judges in the mix.
So, here ya go, with the figures that you mentioned:
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p419/thebeggarscave/JD%20Comparison%20pic_zpsxdocny6w.jpg)
Not the best picture but it does give an idea of size/scale comparison.
Any chance we can see better pics of your Dredd stuff mate? I don't remember seeing them anywhere! :?
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Couldn't resist and bought the whole gang (I don't think it charged postage, if not you can put that through separately is fine or send a bill and I'll pay). I couldn't not get a fat Mayor and robo-duck, and if I got those I needed the rest :-P
A few different armies to complete for my Dredd hub but that's my Cursed Earth army sorted, Angel Gang, Cursed Earth Desperadoes, some Renegade Robots, some ABC's (Happy Shrapnel, Blackblood, and Mongrel in Confederate style colours), my new Blind Beggar Native American gang / community, a few Copplestone (like that 4 pack on last page) Citadel and others (like Reaper Phat Clarke), all I need now is a few sci-fi Confederates to go with Phat Clarke and maybe a robo-horse or two and it's a war(game)! Maybe original imperial guard will scale ok and work as sci-fi Confeds, though I think there's a definite gap in the market for sci-fi Confeds and wacky robo-horses, sci-fi Wild West / Western badlands seems popular and I've seen one American company I think maybe kickstarting a range of sci-fi Confeds but they are too GW Space Marine, no human character or charm. Other than those there's apparently nothing Confed about. But their uniform (especially tatty as post ACW renegades) is up there with the coolest of things (in bad guy or at least renegade / rebel / anti Federal terms). Clint Eastwood only did cool, he starred in Where Eagles Dare so he could be a good guy in a much cooler 3rd Reich uniform (and fun 3rd Reich bad guys seems big in pulp gaming like Hitler bot, She-Wolves and Shadowforge Politburo), he did Outlaw Josie Whales too.
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Any chance we can see better pics of your Dredd stuff mate? I don't remember seeing them anywhere! :?
You may have but not posted by me, mate.
The Judges were all painted by Dr. Falkenhayn, who I bought them from and are all really well done.
I could only find this picture showing some of his work...
(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad244/Falkenhayn/judgedreddminiatures015.jpg) (http://s940.photobucket.com/user/Falkenhayn/media/judgedreddminiatures015.jpg.html)
I will take some shots of them soon enough as, between your project and this thread, I have suddenly found the urge to get some Cursed Earth action going on and plan to get the boys round for a game soon.
I shall take more piccies then.
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Couldn't resist and bought the whole gang (I don't think it charged postage, if not you can put that through separately is fine or send a bill and I'll pay). I couldn't not get a fat Mayor and robo-duck, and if I got those I needed the rest :-P
Thank you!
:)
You have a PM, sir.
;)
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Searching around obscure (to me at least) miniature makers, I found these couple of figures from killerb Starhide range to go with the Outlanders (or their Cursed Earth community), I think would fit in well.
A mutie sasquatch-hunter who is a sasquatch, in sunglasses. Has similar clothes to Outlanders.
(http://killerbgames.com/images/Boone.jpg)
A robot bounty hunter cowboy
(http://killerbgames.com/images/deadeye%20big.jpg)
robot cowboys with what look like Dredd style shoulder pads (3 different arm / gun types)
(http://killerbgames.com/images/PAINTED%20MEK%20BRO%20BORON%20BIG.jpg)
Then I found this Jetbike with 4 different Robot riders from Great Escape Games (uk), Red Star Coven. They're apparently resin not metal but if they scale they'd do great as extra robot bikers for kickstarters looking forward to their Mongoose versions:
(http://wargamesterrainworkshop.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Jet-bike-300x300.jpg)
They'd be perfect for Cursed Earth. I guess they might have to cast them up so could be a longish delivery time but if they scale then probably worth it, would fit right in.
(http://www.greatescapegames.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/r/e/rescue_droid.jpg)
http://www.greatescapegames.co.uk/miniatures/fantasy-scifi/red-star-coven.html
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What about these for an ape gang proxy.....
(https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15134755_1497235620306079_3493289714696242151_n.jpg?oh=3a3bd7da13e9d8a300678bfbcecfe297&oe=58D3227B)
And the thread they're from....
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=95721.0;topicseen (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=95721.0;topicseen)
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Wow they're excellent thank you. I noticed Reaper do a cool Gorilla gunslinger that would fit with my Outlander Cursed Earth old West town and help tie it in with Dredd world (and tie in me using some of the Warlord Dredd apes in that army too). And for same reason those gorilla's you posted would make brilliant East Meg grunts, will definitely get some. I was even considering Daleks for East Meg grunts, but same problem as with any battle droids, the Citi-Def & civilian / ganger hand weapons wouldn't pen them, no problem with Apes though and they even have the East Meg star :-)
But it's a bit of a mare, the more I dig the more ace figures I find that would work for this or I just really want and could fit in (though I think I'm going to be gaming pulp as well as Dredd eventually), but as well, the more I notice figures that I'd love to get and even ones I knew about and have been on my want list for a while (but that I've been delaying getting as I was spent out chasing disappearing Dredd stuff etc), has either already gone OOP or is disappearing too. I guess it's necessary in the business to get people to buy (if they know it's available to buy forever they put it off in order to prioritise other stuff and may never get round to it), if you're up to speed with it all I guess it's easy to be ahead (like with kickstarters) and keep on top but it's a problem getting back into it from scratch and catching up.
Crooked Dice's Sarah Jane is long OOP :-( I've missed out on some of the Ganger Snowmen from WSD, Crooked Dice's Time Lift Security is seemingly disappearing (Captain Blue is already no more, was lucky to grab the last one on ebay - edit - checked & Time Lift ok, just out of shop-stock till January) and I discovered last night Artizan do a Dick Dastardly & Catch the Pigeon crew that I can't live without & am going to have to get as a priority in case it disappears too. (from wargamesemporium, they also have Martian / sci-fi 1st Boer War, a few of those would fit in great, as per pic below).
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0800/4331/products/plp565.jpg?v=1435921474)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0800/4331/products/fog1027.jpg?v=1435335767)
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Eureka is a hard site to surf, I've tried to look through their listings before and not found anything. I've now found the boiler suit apes and they'll work brilliantly too, excellent, but I can't find the armoured ones with stars and heavy weapons that you posted, either on the Eureka site proper or UK distributor Fighting15's. Do you have a link?
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Email Nic. They are brand new and not up on the site yet
I notice on the other thread that you already have them.
How do they size up with Nic's other apes.
I already have most of the others and wondered whereabouts these fella will fit in the 'family'.
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Is Nic at Fighting15's?
Re the Blind Beggar Outlanders, I just received my post today and delivery of them (I live in a very rural area, the postman comes late and only if it isn't raining too much), they are absolutely superb the photo's don't do them justice. Every one is good enough to be a character in their own right, none just making up space and they're properly 360degree, a lot of figures can tend to be a bit flat & one dimensional, these have got it going on all around, but not too busy just right for them and realistic. They match up with Warlord Dredd perfectly, they match / don't conflict in comic style or scale but contrast in demeanour (confident hard slick shiny judges and these slightly awkward / furtive soft / very human, so they emphasis one another's qualities), and brilliant value alongside and to augment Warlord Mongoose, a big but top quality cursed earth gang / community that all go together.
I'm definitely going to be getting the rest of the Outlander / Copperpot town community when the Dredd stuff has calmed down & I've recovered my finances from it all, and the Blind Beggar People of the Sand when they turn up.
edit - and some will work in Meg 1 City too, the town mayor would (obviously) make a great arch criminal / gang leader (void 1.1 Vasa marines would make great Gotham type henchmen), the custom official and robots fit in too.
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Is Nic at Fighting15's?
Fighting 15's are a Eureka stockist.
If you want Eureka stuff from them then you may need to email them as they do not carry the whole range all of the time, but will get it for you.
Re the Blind Beggar Outlanders, I just received my post today and delivery of them (I live in a very rural area, the postman comes late and only if it isn't raining too much), they are absolutely superb the photo's don't do them justice. Every one is good enough to be a character in their own right, none just making up space and they're properly 360degree, a lot of figures can tend to be a bit flat & one dimensional, these have got it going on all around, but not too busy just right for them and realistic. They match up with Warlord Dredd perfectly, they match / don't conflict in comic style or scale but contrast in demeanour (confident hard slick shiny judges and these slightly awkward / furtive soft / very human, so they emphasis one another's qualities), and brilliant value alongside and to augment Warlord Mongoose, a big but top quality cursed earth gang / community that all go together.
I'm definitely going to be getting the rest of the Outlander / Copperpot town community when the Dredd stuff has calmed down & I've recovered my finances from it all, and the Blind Beggar People of the Sand when they turn up.
edit - and some will work in Meg 1 City too, the town mayor would (obviously) make a great arch criminal / gang leader (void 1.1 Vasa marines would make great Gotham type henchmen), the custom official and robots fit in too.
Glad to hear that you like them and they suit your needs, sir.
:)
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Back 100% on topic, if anyone is still looking for new Warlord / Mongoose Dredd figures, Spirit Games has a few things left including a Holo Judge set and Cursed Earth Desperadoes.
http://www.spiritgames.co.uk/results.php?search=dredd&menu=5
and Bad squiddo games has a Heroes of Mega City One box set
https://thedicebaglady.net/female-miniatures-sci-fi/
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I assume the riders are resin as well as the bikes, but they sell those robot rider jet bikes with ape & human riders too (and indeed the robots on normal bikes), you can choose whatever bike style you want.
(http://wargamesterrainworkshop.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Ape-Bikers-300x300.jpg)
http://wargamesterrainworkshop.co.uk/?product_cat=biker-gangs
I will have to get some of those jet bikes at some point they look excellent.
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I'm spent out but still looking :-P think I've found my perfect Dredd enemy to aid & abet Cursed Earth - Mexico City. Protectorate Guard in Killerb's Gafdoz range would work as general troops, would also work as Vatican City, and they even have figures that would make an Inquisition unit. (Their site says out of stock on some but I checked and apparently they've just had a restock not showing and they're all in stock no issues).
(http://killerbgames.com/images/corvus.jpg)
(http://killerbgames.com/images/PAINTEDKAITOS.jpg)
Does anyone know if that Gafdoz range scales well with Warlord / Mongoose Dredd? Though with stock no issue I'll grab just a couple and see, if no one knows I'll post to say how they scale, if they do some would work great.
Also, Black Tree Design have an even bigger Black Friday sale on than they had last week, a few in their Doctor Who range would work great (like this guy as an Inquisition robot, and the guy below for Citi-Def), they were formerly Harlequin Dr. Who figures, does anyone know if they scale ok with Dredd?
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0917/0406/products/dw211_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1436389749)
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0917/0406/products/dw519_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1436389837)
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Altsain ebay more stuff...
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West Wind do a nice biker gang.
Ulfy, if you could, there is one mini I am keeping an eye out for, I don't want the entire gang, just the one on the left here:
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j386/smokeouse/Judge%20Dredd/bd8d7fa5-6475-4087-9ccd-8a9564dc49f8_zps29bd4232.jpg)
If you see it, can you let me know? 8)
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Biker gangs? Look no further than infinity. Haqqislam bikers.
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a605/andymac2105/Mobile%20Uploads/20160430_112217_zpswkzavgoa.jpg) (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/andymac2105/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160430_112217_zpswkzavgoa.jpg.html)
What about Klegs? Anybody got some good proxys for them? I did find what they call Krokodar, on the Mierce Minis web site. They might take a bit of work with GS to clothe though.....
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a605/andymac2105/Mobile%20Uploads/BB3F51B8-9F74-4566-A338-6C53C706DC8A_zpsjgsve0mr.png) (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/andymac2105/media/Mobile%20Uploads/BB3F51B8-9F74-4566-A338-6C53C706DC8A_zpsjgsve0mr.png.html)
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West Wind do a nice biker gang.
Ulfy, if you could, there is one mini I am keeping an eye out for, I don't want the entire gang, just the one on the left here:
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j386/smokeouse/Judge%20Dredd/bd8d7fa5-6475-4087-9ccd-8a9564dc49f8_zps29bd4232.jpg)
If you see it, can you let me know? 8)
I only have 1 of each of the Apes (got them as an after thought because they were good price from Altsain / Mongoose on ebay).
Altsain ebay has that figure in a group of Apes that's for sale right now, 12 Apes for £10 + £2.50 postage. I've not seen the one you're after for sale on it's own anywhere, but others go for at least £3.50 each + around £1.50 postage. If you could be bothered, it would make sense to buy the bag of 12, take out the one you want (it's not a set anyway), and sell the rest off on ebay for £2 each, it would more than pay for itself and your monkey for free :-)
edit - that bag of Apes was only put on ebay a few hours ago today, I don't expect it to be there long (was one of 2, only 1 left).
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It just made too much sense :-P
I've bought that last bundle of Apes with multiples of those Orangutans in (both of them) so I have spare, when I get it & next time at post office later on next week I'll post it to you. There's one Ape in the bag I needed (the gangster one with the tommy gun), I was going to get it in a blister with the werewolf as I still need that, but was £9 and the werewolf is the least essential and will likely pop up on it's own sometime anyway cheaper. And I have lots of Dredd spares that I'm going to be listing here in the Bazaar in a week or 2 once I've sorted through before listing them on ebay anyway so it's no real extra hassle (not aiming to profit but just to move stuff on, I ended up with duplicates from buying bundles with bits in I needed, and some deals were just too good value not to get).
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Re Kleggs, I avoided them because it was yet another thing that I'd end up chasing costing money, but still ended up with 2 in a bundle and they're excellent. And I was intending to play this with my brother, who I forgot had a big Citadel lizard man army (I still have it in a cupboard), so he'd probably be quite into Klegg's. And they make perfect sense as troops for East Meg too, and soft targets Citi-Def & civilians could deal with. I know where there's some Klegg hounds and a Judge Cals retinue box set, it's tempting. Foundry do at least one Klegg, Citadels were good and being Kleggs would scale fine (and are available on ebay at not mental prices).
Don't know of any proxies though, except old Citadel & other lizardmen stuff might convert ok, they don't need to be in the jumpsuit uniform, that was just for Judge Cal and them being uniformed for Meg1, without being an expert I'd assume as general mercenaries or gangs they could be in any or no clothes, just need sci-fi guns (though chopping weapons too would be fine, for slicing like they like).
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Thanks buddy.
Klegg wise, Privateer Press gatormen might be better, or cheaper to convert.
If someone just did the heads, you could almost make them out of GW Orks . . . .
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Kleggs are a good option thinking about it, they'd work as East Meg mercenaries and at least in terms of what my brother would want to play which is worth considering. I can't help keep getting distracted by human figures though. I can't afford to also get into pirate or alt historic gaming for a long time, but found Shadowforge's Laughing Monk miniatures Capt Janes Rifles before and am in love. Appropriately Dr. Who for Brit-Cit, I think they'd make great killer mannequin androids for some evil Brit-Cit arch villain (maybe Artizan's Dick Dastardly and his catch the pigeon engineers). I'm going to have to start making a list and plan, it's not just the money its painting it all too.
(https://www.tritex-games.co.uk/i/300_x/products_shadowforge~lm0043_Catherine.jpg)
(http://www.fighting15sshop.co.uk/ekmps/shops/fighting15s/images/LM0049-Lady-Jane-s-Rifles-Hakeswell-4332-p[ekm]226x226[ekm].jpg)
(https://www.tritex-games.co.uk/i/300_x/products_shadowforge~lm0042_Rummy_Sal.jpg)
Androids that drink rum.
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If you want bots, then why not some fembots? Oh Hong Kong Killer Fembots from statuesque miniatures to be precise:
(http://static1.shop033.com/resources/7C/160892/picture/78/86291320.jpg)
http://statuesqueminiatures.co.uk/p/8774379/sm022-mei-lin-mayfair-and-the-hong-kong-killer-fembots.html
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I looked at those and they make more sense from a sci-fi point of view. it could be they just need painting in the right way (maybe each painted in a metallic or primary different colour so obviously mechs & to give them some personality), but they're a bit too real and they've just not captured me. I wonder if they're sculpted digitally? I think I'm probably just too quirky :-) As an extreme example it's maybe a bit like why Dr Who (& Hammer) worked (not that I'm a fanatic, but), compared to modern sci-fi the production & special effects were a bit of a shambles, the props cobbled and thrown together from other stuff, it's lack of pretence / honest enthusiasm and its humaness made my imagination click and I'd be totally immersed, whereas stuff that's super produced with perfect everything like modern sci-fi & horror just washes over me. And it's not just that I was young, Red Dwarf that I saw when older was the same kind of thing. And maybe that's the thing with Warlord / Mongoose Dredd and it's slightly comic style, it's maybe more interactive.
edit - looking at them again and thinking them painted they'd work great. But I'm still getting Capt Jane's rifles. And I'm going to have to find some male enemy troopers at some point too. Although, I could do a female only Meg 1 (there's already quite a few female Judges, convert the mechanismos with some bumps and stuff) then it could be the Dreddess Miniatures game :-)
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bit of a speculation: i wouldn't be surprised if Mantic takes up the License. They already sort of colaborated with Mongoose in the Judge Dredd Zombie Gang (Mantic Ghouls+Mongoose Metal Heads/Accesoires) that said :)
Edit: Forgot to mention Judge Martian in the Mars Attack Range and this of course ;)
(http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/marzfeature.jpg)
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Slightly off topic but could someone take a picture of the back of the hand of the Judge armed with two lawmasters please? I'd like to check something.
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bit of a speculation: i wouldn't be surprised if Mantic takes up the License. They already sort of colaborated with Mongoose in the Judge Dredd Zombie Gang (Mantic Ghouls+Mongoose Metal Heads/Accesoires) that said :)
That's a collaboration with Mongoose though - that's not a collaboration with Rebellion . . . . Not bad speculation though, they appear to have done well with previous licenses; Mars Attacks and now The Walking Dead - both based upon comic book / illustration too.
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I haven't got a digital camera but have the male 2 law
master :-) giver! figure in front of me, the backs of the hands / lower arms are almost plain with only slight back of hand detailing (no strongly defined ridges), there's no pouch on the back of the lower arm like on some, no knuckle studs but then none of the others I checked have those either, though it may be different on kickstarters masters. I'll have a couple more copies of it after the weekend from a bundle and can compare.
Re Statuesque, I didn't realise the fembots were theirs, just looked at their site and realised who they are, was really impressed with their Resistance (thought would make a good pro East Meg militia gang) and impressed with their fembots when I first saw them, when you pointed them out I think I was confusing them with some other fembots I'd seen that were more nude and a bit much. It's still a problem though that so many of the best figures that fit into urban sci-fi comic Dredd are female. Shadowforge have loads, 15 Colonial Scouts with perfect helmets and Dredd style shoulder pads, 36 Politburo troops that would be perfect for Vril Cit, even a Bunny Girl Citi-Def Army for Oz Cit. It would probably be a good thing if I find they don't scale.
Re Mantic taking the game on, I hope someone does but wonder if Warlord would partner or want to do it on their own, and where the game itself is now commercially since they released it for free on the net. Warlord would surely want the figure range at least if the deal was right. And there's Rogue Trooper too, that has to have some value the figures were excellent, though more true 28mm than heroic, which is maybe more wargaming & Warlord. But regardless Mars Attacks Dredd is a gift, those Martian troops are cheap & excellent cannon fodder, straight forward to paint so they look proper (uniformed & detachable bubble helmets), totally work as an enemy against Meg 1 & the Martian Dredd model ties them in.
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My guess is that if Warlord took it on, much like Mantic, they would want it to fit more in line with their existing game systems.
So, and this is pure supposition here, if it was Warlord, they might go down a similar route to the Terminator game they did, or perhaps Bolt Action - which I think is less likely due to already having a sci-fi game in their range. Mantic could use one of their systems - firefight, warpath, deadzone or even the new sci fi board game.
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If you want bots, then why not some fembots? Oh Hong Kong Killer Fembots from statuesque miniatures to be precise:
(http://static1.shop033.com/resources/7C/160892/picture/78/86291320.jpg)
http://statuesqueminiatures.co.uk/p/8774379/sm022-mei-lin-mayfair-and-the-hong-kong-killer-fembots.html
I looked at those and they make more sense from a sci-fi point of view. it could be they just need painting in the right way (maybe each painted in a metallic or primary different colour so obviously mechs & to give them some personality), but they're a bit too real and they've just not captured me. I wonder if they're sculpted digitally? I think I'm probably just too quirky :-) As an extreme example it's maybe a bit like why Dr Who (& Hammer) worked (not that I'm a fanatic, but), compared to modern sci-fi the production & special effects were a bit of a shambles, the props cobbled and thrown together from other stuff, it's lack of pretence / honest enthusiasm and its humaness made my imagination click and I'd be totally immersed, whereas stuff that's super produced with perfect everything like modern sci-fi & horror just washes over me. And it's not just that I was young, Red Dwarf that I saw when older was the same kind of thing. And maybe that's the thing with Warlord / Mongoose Dredd and it's slightly comic style, it's maybe more interactive.
edit - looking at them again and thinking them painted they'd work great. But I'm still getting Capt Jane's rifles. And I'm going to have to find some male enemy troopers at some point too. Although, I could do a female only Meg 1 (there's already quite a few female Judges, convert the mechanismos with some bumps and stuff) then it could be the Dreddess Miniatures game :-)
I can recommend a gold/yellow colour for them! ;).....
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a605/andymac2105/Mobile%20Uploads/20160506_162854_zpstw5mcjvv.jpg) (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/andymac2105/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160506_162854_zpstw5mcjvv.jpg.html)
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Yes they look excellent, and I realise now they're proper & Statueseque are a top company (some of their pulp are definitely on my list), it was different fembots (or maybe even just female fighters) I saw before (that had like crotch clamps that emphasised their nudity) put me off the idea in general. But these work really well, and the ones with the hair (or if they have swappable heads & I can get one with long hair or sort it with that green stuff) might make a perfect base for something I'd really like to try painting, a Mucha female as an Android. I saw some in an exhibition in that V&A museum once and they were stunning. It's art nouveau so keeps a bit a pulp / steampunk / handmade vibe.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/75/3d/82/753d820879b053a5374132f84235af88.jpg)
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D'oh, I meant Lawgiver. The back of the hand of the dual wield judge. Lol.
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Yes in cold light of day and looked at properly those fembots painted are excellent, I had completely the wrong idea about them, mistakenly thought they were gratuitously nude & were kits (and don't have good reflex opinion of kits after suffering Citadels first attempts that were very plastic) but actually they look like they're fully cast except for the swappable heads (for variety, and the helmet heads are great). Are they metal or plastic? (though in that robo form would work in either). As something that isn't in danger of going OOP / permanently out of stock in the next month or so though I shall add them to the end of my list for later on.
After - Killer B games Starhide cowboy robots (4 or 5) and possibly their Protectorate Guard (if they scale, about 15 figures), Scotia Grendel Void 1.1 Vasa Marines (10 of them all different), Blind Beggars People of the Sand when they become available, a few Lead Adventure, Reaper, Artizan, Hasslefree, and Copplestone figures, Laughing Monk's Capt Jane's rifles x8, and quite possibly the rest of the Shadowforge catalogue (for marine scouts and politburo). Shadowforge even do Dark Temple female greeks that look like they'd fit with my precious 80's Runequest figures and that I may need to get to stash (along with my Crooked Dice Captain Scarlet figures that I've just stashed).
And Black Tree Design have a decent Black Friday sale on their Dr. Who stuff today with lots of bits that might fit in for fun, and that's slowly disappearing, a few figures (like Davros) are no longer listed. It's crazy how many good figures (and figure producers) there are to catch up with.
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It's not just BTD's Dr Who range that's shrinking every time I look at at.
The Wood Elves range fits on a page now -- almost all of the "Fantasy Armies" figures are gone from it. Which is dull because I'd like to buy some of them. And I'm sure there are less ratmen than there used to be..
I have asked them about this, but never seem to keep their attention long enough to find out if these things are gone for good or just for remoulding or what.
I've had to start picking things like this up from Ebay instead.
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I hadn't even noticed that fantasy range, it's massive, would be a real shame if that's disappearing. A lot seems to be like at WSD too, their Dick Garrison and Snowmen Wars are gradually going out of stock and apparently becoming unavailable. I guess a lot of ranges are a bit obscure, they wear out with the in the know enthusiasts as they get everything from them they need and they fail to get noticed by the less informed and newbies because of the new stuff that is so pushed & prominent, so the manufacturers let it slowly vanish. At least we knew Mongoose Dredd was becoming unavailable, though it was hard to know what was happening / that it was (potentially permanently) OOP listening to just Warlord who declared the stock sell off as an Anniversary celebration with no mention they wouldn't be restocked.
And scale seems to have caused a lot of ranges to get left behind, I've delayed on ordering from Black Trees (I think former Harlequin) Dr. Who range cuz unsure how it matches with Warlord Dredd, suspect it might be true 28mm and a bit small, but still feeling I need to grab some incase the really good stuff starts to disappear, and their sale today makes them very affordable. There's still robots that would work even if a bit small, everyone needs some metal Daleks and K9 is joining my robo-dog pack, but there's loads of human figures would work too.
Does anyone know how BTD (Harlequin) Dr. Who scales to Warlord Dredd?
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I found the dodgy fembots / cyborgs that put me off, it was the Scotia Grendel Urban War Syntha Artemis Biomechs, quite different to the Statuesque Hong Kong ones that are more mannequins than naked human and so much more classy.
Finally found all the figures I need it's just a question of if they scale with Warlord Dredd, which I'm realising is a bigger problem than I thought. East Riding Miniatures slicks (as ghoulish goons rather than Necromunda type gang) and interpol would work great (as Brit-Cit citi-Def or just belonging to a different Meg 1 block) if they're not too big (and I shall see, already ordered some Slicks to try).
CP Models do some great civilians:
(http://www.cpmodelsminiatures.co.uk/NC5.1.png)
A few of Gringo's40's Triginta Zombie hunters would give some gritty quality to my Badlands community.
(http://www.gringo40s.com/uploads/6/4/6/9/6469416/s402127532403641370_p96_i1_w320.jpeg)
Scotia Grendel Void 1.1 Vasa marines would make a great 10 man henchman group for a Gotham type villain, or as a posse for the Argentina or Vatican Judge. And these Nexus Cyclos troops from their Kryomech range would be perfect for East Meg grunts (paramilitary but not too much, still very sci-fi urban), and they have 18 of them in different poses, apparently a decent mix of male & female, with sensible hvy weapons and everything. Would work as a gang too, and maybe even as GI's (or General Marines or something cuz of their different boots & guns), for Rogue Trooper. (edited - ordered a few now to test them out).
(http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/images/Kryomek%20Nexus%20Humans/CYO-003.jpg)
Scotia Grendel even have armed civilians (militia, perfect if they scale). I shall try and find the proper threads for these manufacturers and ask there too, but does anyone know how scotia grendel Void 1.1 Vasa Marines, their Urban war stuff, and their Kryomech Nexus troops scale to Warlord Dredd? Also how CP models and those Gringo's zombie hunters scale?
edit - and this desert 'charmer' from Resinaplanet (despite their name figure in metal) for a bit more badlands character / wastelands style diversity.
(http://www.resinaplanet.com/images/minis/59.png)
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I only have the odd mutant from the Judge Dredd range as I was disappointed by the judge I received I didn't invest in any more.
I do have some of the old Void militia:
(http://i.imgur.com/goTu81C.jpg)
I have other ranges I can scale them up to if needed but thought a space marine is pretty well known.
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Excellent thank you :-) The Scotia Grendel figures are perfect style for Dredd and have stuff you could use for loads of things, but I saw this on the net that made them look big
(https://dawnofthelead.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/cmcomparison2.jpg?w=715&h=228)
L to R: Scotia Grendel (Nexus Marine), em4, Fenryll, Hasslefree, Copplestone Castings
But then your picture suggests they'll be fine and they do look excellent. I think best thing is I'll get a few Scotia Grendel from the various ranges just to see (and they have to much to offer if they work out), it's not only height it's the chunkyness, Warlord Dredd are slim and vampy and you really need to see them alongside other figures to tell. Once I've done my investigating (and maybe got a camera phone) I'll do a thread saying what works and maybe posting comparisons.
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Thanks, again, to everyone who has made enquiries about the Judge Minty miniatures - £155 has gone to Cancer Research as a result 8)
I got the signs cast on Friday and those ones will be in the post first thing tomorrow morning- thanks for your patience
All the bases have gone now - eBay is probably your only hope but there are still a couple of resin Mintys and metal Aquilas left
Cheers all
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There's a metal Judge Minty with sign & resin base on ebay right now, I believe from someone associated with Mongoose (and a really decent guy), as it says probably only one for sale anywhere in World.
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Biker gangs? Look no further than infinity. Haqqislam bikers.
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a605/andymac2105/Mobile%20Uploads/20160430_112217_zpswkzavgoa.jpg) (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/andymac2105/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160430_112217_zpswkzavgoa.jpg.html)
What about Klegs? Anybody got some good proxys for them? I did find what they call Krokodar, on the Mierce Minis web site. They might take a bit of work with GS to clothe though.....
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a605/andymac2105/Mobile%20Uploads/BB3F51B8-9F74-4566-A338-6C53C706DC8A_zpsjgsve0mr.png) (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/andymac2105/media/Mobile%20Uploads/BB3F51B8-9F74-4566-A338-6C53C706DC8A_zpsjgsve0mr.png.html)
I'm definitely doing biker gangs but later when my finances have recovered :-P
Re Klegg proxies, like I said before personally I don't think the jumpsuit uniform or its colour matters as I think that just related to Judge Cal and them being uniformed for Meg 1 as his troops. I did come across these for Kleggs from Khurasan miniatures, the range is 28mm but don't know how much bigger than that these are (as in being Klegg sized), they're apparently based on dinosaurs rather than lizards or crocs but look viable (especially as troops are made out of 2 kit bodies so lots of variation). Would still require modding though as you'd need to chop the tail off, unless you're happy for them to just be some kind of Klegg relation. There's maybe lots of versions on Planet Klegg with the Kleggs just the most evolved / least primitive, just like various species of predator dinosaurs were very diverse while still related & similar, just like Kleggs have obviously related, similar but still different Klegg hounds.
(http://khurasanminiatures.tripod.com/garn-small.jpg)
(http://khurasanminiatures.tripod.com/garn-commander.jpg)
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Regarding the judge I was talking about earlier, he's from the Mega City judges boxed set, and it's the one with one lawgiver not two, d'oh again. I got the set on ebay without box and undercoated. The reason I asked for a picture is that the sculpt seemed rather crude and there is a big bit of metal coming out of the hand and gun. I tried to take some pics to illustrate and you can see them below. I started to think whether it could be a recast or is this the crappy type of sculpt some have mentioned. What do you think?
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/twrchtrwyth/Fy%20modelau/15226346_10154748935279731_442882090_n_zps6ofwkfix.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/twrchtrwyth/media/Fy%20modelau/15226346_10154748935279731_442882090_n_zps6ofwkfix.jpg.html)
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/twrchtrwyth/Fy%20modelau/15218215_10154748935024731_1245879168_n_zpstudvidtl.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/twrchtrwyth/media/Fy%20modelau/15218215_10154748935024731_1245879168_n_zpstudvidtl.jpg.html)
On a plus note, I just won Don Uggie, Fast Eek and Joe Bananas on ebay.
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Ulfy, thought I would throw a couple of links at you for more inspiration:
http://www.macrocosm.co.uk/product-category/macrocosm/the-resistance/
(http://www.macrocosm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/12318127_10153334007481378_216579892_o.jpg)
http://heresyminiatures.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2&zenid=b82bcb85d1ee73648887246304bd2d93
(http://heresyminiatures.com/shop/images/large/inspectorsdeal.jpg)
The heresy troopers might make good cit-def stand ins as well. Plus the various other sci fi characters as crims etc.
Also, with scotia grendal, it's worth noting that they have miniatures from different ranges - that SG miniature is not from the same range as the void miniatures so may scale a bit differently. Also worth noting the integrals on those compared to some in that line up that don't.
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From what I've seen the ones sold off on ebay recently that have been undercoated black were mainly from a seller called Baronoir or something, who is connected directly to Mongoose. I think it's his own personal stuff, I'd assume they're top castings as they'll be from early moulds and he'll have picked out perfect ones. I've had some from him undercoated in black and they've been perfect in terms of the detail being present. However he's not necessarily a pro-painter so maybe hasn't cleaned up some models enough before undercoating. Of course it may be from someone else entirely.
In general the casting can be a bit here or there. The vast majority I've had have been perfectly good, but then a few others have had malformed hands or lacking detail, and a few with quite a lot of flash, the riot judge with baton can be bad for it and lawmaster wheels, which is a nuisance because of the tyre tread detail.
On your picture, that straight protruding angle going from gun to hand below the trigger finger (maybe joining onto 3rd finger) definitely looks like a piece of flash, I have 2 of those figures, one 2nd hand that's been paint-stripped and it's like it's had a light blackwash and shows the detail really well and looks right without that extra bit yours has.
The sculpting on the back of that hand & gun is slightly crude but it has a lot going on with hand ridges and stuff, it's almost like scamping like they do in comics like you see in Dredd to imply & give a sense of stuff in motion. Other than that bit of flash your model looks fine (but I'm no expert).
I'd still try and check with someone who has a well painted one though if you can, and regardless it's maybe worth paint-stripping (with detol?), then light blackwashing it to bring out the detail to really see and then clean it up from scratch. It looks a good one in every other respect, but if you do clean it up and decide it's still no good I will have a spare of that and a quite a lot of other various judges & stuff going on bazaar in a week or 2.
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Wow that priest is brilliant I'm definitely getting that, he'll go with the Sand People that I'm going to be doing a tribe of for hardcore Cursed Earth. The troopers are excellent too, but I can't think how to fit the gas-masks in, with them in quite tidy clothes (so not Cursed Earth vagrants), with so many others like Citi-Def not having gasmasks. It's a problem the other way for Rogue Trooper, almost all gasmasks just go to filter, there's very few with air tanks and full NBC suits like Norts or Southers.
A few with gas-masks is great though and I'll get a couple, and from the Lead Adventure shop too, theirs are really excellent.
Re Heresy do they scale ok with Warlord Dredd (which I've realised is a lot like Crooked Dice Time Lift Security in scale and in being slim), if so I'm definitely getting that Inspector crew, they have loads of nice figures, the ship crew look brilliant (a bit original Battlestar Galatica Viper pilot), little robots, Tiny Tank ganger with rocket launcher, and even a few from Firefly for my Badlands town. Though the Firefly crew are very cartoony, they've not done Haylee any favours. Delighted someone has done her though and the figure is fun, if scale is ok she's getting recruited.
(http://heresyminiatures.com/shop/images/large/smug003.jpg)
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In case anyone is interested, there's an old box of Paranoia robots appeared on ebay, for crazy money but if price is no problem they reckon they're rare. Includes the 3 mini-bots that ended up in Dredd, but also 3 other robots. Can find it on ebay searching for Mongoose miniatures.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/MvcAAOSwB09YPSUC/s-l64.jpg)
And in case anyone missed it, you can get alternate versions of holo suits from rebel minis in America (called Earth Force Widowmaker's, but they're the original version from Starship Trooper), offer the potential of East Meg holo suits & have nobbly knees like the paldrons on the Foundry old Citadel inquisition that would work as East Meg SCS / KGB. Since exchange rate recovered a bit the price is ok.
(http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-51356505839231/earth-force-widowmaker-class-battlesuits-4.gif)
They have what could be mk1 holo's too in same knobbly knee style.
(http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-51356505839231/earth-force-kodiak-class-battlesuits-3.gif)
I guess from the old Mongoose Starship trooper range, they appear to have some good troops too that would do for a Citi-Def unit
(http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-51356505839231/28mm-earth-force-security-hounds-7.gif)
Or for getting slaughtered by Aliens
(http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-51356505839231/28mm-earth-force-infantry-3.gif)
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Scurv, want to sell one of those boxes?
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There's one of those Gangs of Mega City boxes as new on ebay right now for £30, intact sprues and card buildings & everything. It's tempting (as is making bespoke units out of various plastic sprues) but I'm going to try and stay away from gaming plastic miniatures.
If Scotia Grendel Kryomek Cyclos Infantry scale with Warlord Dredd I'm totally sorted for East Meg now, I could have an entire army of East Meg convict grunts the Soviet Judges had sentenced into their invasion force. I'll find out in a day or 2 when the couple of blisters I ordered to test turn up. If they don't work I'll just park East Meg for now and concentrate on gang war (and for later cursed earth and separately badlands).
I totally agree it can't be too military and still be right for Dredd but then it's hard to find non military with a decent enough selection to give variance & still in some kind of uniform / consistent style. And still be metal :-) Yes modding pads (and boots) would be a big help and it's something I'll try. I did get a zombie conversion pack with a sprue of pads in, can probably work something up from that, though I think the green stuff would be better if I can, look less stuck on.
If the Slicks I ordered from ERM scale though, then I'm not only sorted for sinister goons but also ERM's non military Interpol should scale too & would make a good Citi-def squad. I don't really expect them to scale well though, which is why I was looking at other Mongoose figures like those former Starship Troopers Rebel Games have taken on.
re sci-fi civilians, CP models have 5 excellent ones that would do for Meg 1, if they scale, I'll know in a day or two.
edit - having said that though if the Meg 1 sprues were available at a decent price I'd get some & use them, at least as more civilians but the few boxes that are about are rare enough to work out as expensive as lead. There's definitely a gap in the market for urban sci-fi that nothing at least current really fills, at least as a range rather than odd figures. I guess there is though, just not necessarily that scale with Warlord Dredd.
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:-) I know where he got them from, I found a thread on some American forum from 2012 when these were first discontinued and they were being sold off for $1.24 per box. For about 2 or 3 days, until a few people bought big volume so they increased the price to $5 a box! So there was definitely big volume picked up at low prices by some people, and they cash in on ebay, in this case so everyone was a winner.
I think they'd be worth maybe £15 a box, for the curiosity, card buildings, makes them roughly £1 a figure and good for conversions or civilians. There's still boxes available for that kind of money in America but not in UK, and by the time you've paid the shipping you're back up to about £30. It's also off-putting how many comments there are about how impossible the type of plastic was to work with, how brittle and how resistant to almost all glues (most seem to have resorted to super-glue as plastic glues weren't working, and that's brittle over time too). Instead for £10 (assuming they scale & I've ordered them so will find out, but GOMC1 were apparently a bit small compared to the metal Dredd figures so scale maybe wasn't perfect anyway) you can get 5 excellent metal Meg 1 civilians from CP Models, plus a very cute Star Trek female crew member with a scanner who'd work as lots of things (I think in my case probably as Colonel Whites Aide de Camp / nurse).
(http://www.cpmodelsminiatures.co.uk/NC5.1.png)
(http://www.cpmodelsminiatures.co.uk/frank%20the%20fixer%201.1A.png)
^ I think this one looks like that Karl Urban who played Dredd in the last film, very cool to have him as an extra in your games as a civi. Maybe he's on his phone to his agent to find out why he isn't playing a lead role Judge.
(http://www.cpmodelsminiatures.co.uk/prof%20w%201.1A.png)
(http://www.cpmodelsminiatures.co.uk/CP-SSC11-Starship-crew.jpg)
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The old Mongoose I'd definitely bite for are the metal Citi-def they did for GOMC1. From what I've seen searching google it was a 4 man unit, some or all hvy weapons, plastered with the CD logo. I picked up the command group blister (officer, medic & 1 trooper) a few weeks back from a shop in France that had it buried in old stock and they are excellent figures, although I've not opened that blister yet as if I can't make up the unit (they are very much in a certain uniform) I'll keep it sealed as a collectable as it's definitely very rare (at least still sealed on card).
I picked up a sealed carded blister of 3 metal Judges too, I think originally for GOMC1, then transferred to Dredd Miniatures game (are all Judges that later appeared in other box sets or blisters) but this blister has different artwork on the card to the normal Dredd miniatures, the plastic dome is again glued to the card like the Citi-Def one is and its printed label states they are a promotional pack. In time I'd guess all this OOP / promotional / obscure stuff is going to get very collectable (like the Citadel stuff has), but I still think the majority of the Dredd miniatures are going to be put back into production by someone, probably Warlord. They're too good, there's too many that weren't retailed for long enough or at all, too many already invested in the range and would buy more (as the rapid selling out of stock in the fire-sales demonstrated, although that's saturated the market for a bit so now prices on ebay are poor, suggesting demand / sales would be low initially if the range went back into production till that glut of dumped stock had worked through & the market had repopulated) and maybe I saw a clue the other day. The Judge Minty that was last sold off on ebay was from someone connected to Mongoose, and in the description they made a point of saying out of the range, that figure is and will always be rarest because along with it being originally limited it would never be produced again, maybe implying that the normal range or at least some of it might be.
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:-) I know where he got them from, I found a thread on some American forum from 2012 when these were first discontinued and they were being sold off for $1.24 per box. For about 2 or 3 days, until a few people bought big volume so they increased the price to $5 a box! So there was definitely big volume picked up at low prices by some people, and they cash in on ebay, in this case so everyone was a winner.
I think that's why I got my copies from. It was cheaper to buy them and import them from the US, than it was to buy them in the UK. Let me check my hobby storage boxes as I think I still have an unopened box. Like you I only got them to create some civilians.
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Can I have first dibs if you're selling please?
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I got the impression that the license ended in November.
It's December and the sale is still up on the Warlord site.
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I've just succumbed to paying too much (when you include postage) for the last Max Normal for sale by Altsain on ebay, will work as another civilian and being an official Dredd miniature, help a couple of other overtly-norm styled proxies fit in as a group. That's Altsain completely out of Dredd miniatures for sale right now, and they've not put up any new ones for maybe a week or more so maybe they're through, and that makes sense as I'm sure I read they had to clear all the stock by end of November.
Though maybe Altsain is still worth watching, I think I've read they're still casting to fulfil end of range for kickstarters (maybe more on Rogue Trooper though) so I guess a few spares could appear.
edit - re Warlord, although originally made under licence, almost all of what they have left is arguably not necessarily Dredd, could be generic for other games (the Apes on Bikes have never even been in the sale, have gone out of stock and come back again, so maybe they'll continue regardless). But they do still have the Juve Jimp and the Blood on the Streets Expansion book in stock and for sale - maybe they have a different agreement / are in a different position with Rebellion than Mongoose were as they've not effectively resigned from / declined to renew the license like Mongoose did. Maybe Warlord are maintaining they're happy to pay their % proportion of the licence and they're in negotiations with Rebellion over Mongooses share to try and get it going again?
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Can I have first dibs if you're selling please?
Had a quick search and I have got an unopened box. You can have first dibs.
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Cheers, PM me how much you want and postage.
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In case anyone else is looking for stuff to fit with Warlord Dredd, today I got my order from Gringos40's, a not Rick zombie fighter (for my Outlanders project), and some robots.
They are superb figures, sharp and detailed and not too chunky but I think probably true 28mm, the robots get away with it & fit in perfectly (I think the one pictured green below is meant to be large, so it scales as about 5'9" but thin which is ok, the blue fembot is small but very cute and as a fembot / non combatant assistant works fine, is considerably bigger than a 25mm female Denizen figure I have), the dog is delicate but works fine, Rick is a little short for Warlord Dredd but still looks totally in scale, just as a short guy (5'5"/6" kind of short), but still realistic especially in a Badlands community). Because of the height issue it wouldn't work getting many humans from the range to go with Warlord Dredd figures, but a small number of choice ones would work really well, add character & maintain quality into the support ranks, very affordable. Glad I got them, hope Gringo40's add some more robots (it seems they suggested they would).
(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad244/Falkenhayn/newStuff005.jpg)
edit - compared to a lot more figures (notably the Cursed Earth Desperadoes), little Rick really is little. I'll get away with just him but really the Gringo humans are too short at true 28mm to scale. Worth having though for other stuff, maybe pulp, really is quality and shame a little short. Robots definitely work though.
(http://theminiaturespage.com/news/pics/2016/apr/1664313374a.jpg)
Also got a pack of Slicks & a couple of Enforcers from Corporate Wars off East Riding Miniatures and I'm amazed they scale perfectly (tall but no taller than some Warlord citi-def troopers). I don't think they look as high quality figures as the Warlord ones (that are sharp & crisp), maybe it's that they are older moulds the detail isn't as deep or sharp, but it's all there, they'll paint up perfectly well and their slick design will make them look quality (they look great stood next to Oola Blint as her goons). Excellent value considering price, style, and how well they fit in, would buy again, will get their Interpol unit too later on as another Citi-Def unit for block wars or Brit-Cit as that should scale fine (though the lower quality is going to tell more on them as they're not so slick as to hide it, but it still suits their design and as support troops / cannon fodder they're good enough & excellent value). Only issue is the thick metal bases will need cutting off.
(http://shop.eastridingminiatures.co.uk/ekmps/shops/ermp20/resources/Design/slicks.jpg)
I also got a Sheriff Robot off them from their Golgo Island range for £3 and it's maybe best figure out of the lot, at least in terms of it looking so 2000AD & for value. It's metal, is actually less crude / more cleanly sculpted than the painted ones suggest (the midriff line is clean and not wonky like the black line on painted one), is sharp where it should be, roughly same height as a mechanismo. The arms are a bit thin (in a flat way) with little to position them onto the shoulder ball joints, will be a bit of work to get right (maybe pin drill down into arm as no depth across, they'd fall off lots otherwise) but well worth it.
(http://shop.eastridingminiatures.co.uk/ekmps/shops/ermp20/images/gg24-1964-p[ekm]211x300[ekm].jpg)
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The 'woman in the red dress' figure would make an ideal not 'Penny' from The Big Bang Theory.
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The women in the red dress is annoying - I ordered 1 rick and 1 her, got 2 Ricks instead, and I think if anything being female she'd scale better. Plus she's obviously a high quality figure (especially after seeing Rick, these are top quality figures) & has a great look, very simple, a teeny bit trailer trash without trying & being over the top, just natural, would look great as a member of a Badlands Community. So she's still on my list to get - I don't have the heart to complain over a £1.50 figure, I'd order her again but the postage is more than her. I need Gringo's to do some more robots so I can order them and her too.
Re what they're not - I thought they're not from the walking dead, but I saw a photo that seemed to show they were not from some other cult zombie thing and are not amazing likenesses. (I have to admit I've not seen the Big Bang Theory).
Btw in case anyone is still on this, on my extensive travels round the World of miniatures I've concluded there are 3 possible conversion figures for extra heavy weapons specialist Lazooka Judges (that are different in having 2 plain shoulder pads and no Eagle pad so they can shoulder the weapon).
One is the Warlord Judge that was included with the fast pursuit car. It's a weird Judge in its pursuit car uniform, not that I'm an expert but it actually seems to be a Mega City 2 Judge (shaped goggle visor instead of straight, no Eagle pad, then it's just a matter of paint colours). The head would swap for a normal Judge head (giving a spare potential Meg 2 head) & the hands would swap to accommodate a lazooka, his shoulder pads are right enough. Similar thing with Wargames Foundry Tech Judge Deex, similar stance, no eagle pad, head swap and hands for lazooka (though his pads are big, all Foundry's pads are big). Then there's this that I found on the Crooked Dice site under villains, would require a badge & maybe back of belt green stuffing, head swap, but it's amazingly almost there. Maybe a bit baggy for a Judge suit but it would do for gaming, or at least something Meg1, the pads are perfect and judging from their Time Lift Security that I have some of, Crooked Dice scale with Warlord Dredd.
(http://www.crooked-dice.co.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/FedSec2-Heavy-Weapon-300x295.jpg)
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Going through the load of stuff I grabbed during the Mongoose firesale, I forgot that I'd got these just cuz they were very cheap and looked right, but thought they were just generic / spurious sci-fi or scratchbuilt. But I noticed just now the yellow one (that exact same painted one) is pictured in the official Warlord Judge Dredd rules primer PDF (and the green one appears in the background of a picture in the main rulebook). Does anyone know if they are official Dredd vehicles? edit - thinking about it I guess they probably are or they wouldn't have pictured them in the rule book. So there's some more Dredd stuff that was never retailed!
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/351911253940-0-1/s-l140/p.jpg)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/351911254027-0-1/s-l140/p.jpg)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/222321949460-0-1/s-l140/p.jpg)
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The vehicles are from the Ainsty spy-fi range:
http://ainstycastings.co.uk/index.php/cPath/59/sort/2a/page/2/osCsid/e956a59a34a8e31ca95e1bee0abf9ce0 (http://ainstycastings.co.uk/index.php/cPath/59/sort/2a/page/2/osCsid/e956a59a34a8e31ca95e1bee0abf9ce0)
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The bikers on here might be of use for people's JD projects.
http://wargamesterrainworkshop.co.uk/?product_cat=biker-gangs
I am sure that Dave did some work on the JD range at one time.
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The bikers on here might be of use for people's JD projects.
http://wargamesterrainworkshop.co.uk/?product_cat=biker-gangs
I am sure that Dave did some work on the JD range at one time.
Well, I've never seen them before. Interesting stuff.
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Yes those bikers are good, resin though but they would fit in perfectly.
Thanks for the info about the vehicles, I haven't even looked at vehicles or scenery properly yet, looks like I did get a good deal on them and it's a really good range I can add to them from :-) I was intending to get the droids anyway and now a crate or 2 for the trucks, and stuff.
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The WTW apes on bikes are not as well sculpted as the Warlord Games apes on bikes but they are still worth getting if you want to boost the size of your ape biker gang.
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The jetbikes are very cool though, and as more 'all-terrain' vehicles, to me they make more sense for a Cursed Earth or Badlands community than conventional bikes do. I guess ok in resin too as clean solid design & nothing to really break off, I'd worry about resin riders though with stuck out arms and stuff. But whatever, they're so similar (as you say maybe due to same sculptor) they should scale great.
On my lateral trawling through google I turned up this, good value at £40 for 20 figures (assuming you didn't get screwed by customs for vat etc) I think most of the figures look perfect for Dredd (in various theatres, some for badlands others for Meg1), particularly the heavy citi-def type unit in red (go to link to see big picture, they have very 2000AD styling, in fact they look very similar to the metal hvy Citi-Def Mongoose did for GOMC1). The ones that wouldn't fit with Dredd (like the rocket girl bottom far left) look like very attractive quality figures and would be very saleable at a decent price to people playing those other genres, so you could off-load what didn't work to keep within a good price. And from other photo's they look like they may scale well with Warlord Dredd (although I'm beginning to realise that's a bit of an abstract concept as lots of Warlord Dredd stuff itself struggles to scale with other Warlord Dredd. There is a range of a few at true 28mm, most at tall but slim / vampy 28mm, then there's a few at definitely chunky and very big super heroic 28mm (like the Judge with baton from Judge Cal retinue and the Cursed Earth Desperado top dog who are huge). It's ok with proxies if you stay around the middle of those extremes, but get anywhere near the scale extremes with proxies (height and / or particularly chunkiness), the slightly different styling / uniforms make them scream as being spurious & wrong. It's definitely a matter of suck it and see with these proxies.
(http://www.megaminis.com/MEGA/JPG/Complete-Set-Humans.jpg)
http://johnnyborgcastings.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06
(again depends on scale, but if normal heroic 28mm that guy in the bronze coloured space suit would make a great East Meg Jaeger sniper (equivalent to ones in citi-def) or an East Meg Space Judge, if true 28mm and so a bit small, would make a great Rogue Trooper Nort (mask pipes don't go to filter but to an air box so self contained, not necessary but to be perfect I think could easily be modded to Nort tanks).
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-v3jBdKmvXA4/WACVaV3AEYI/AAAAAAAAIXA/rsybyJ0eXcoAM-RSS1NsEjwepZMnhL1-QCLcB/s320/IMG_6439.JPG)
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-khUf5KtrzGw/WACVaa6QyjI/AAAAAAAAIW8/LzXW9fyn2tktTbx7dhWVmcCPX_VSSCJcQCLcB/s320/IMG_6437.JPG)
I've emailed the guy for his opinion on scale, if he thinks they'd work ok will get them (the Citi-Def look too right not to & I think a small hvy unit added to the Warlord Citi-Def, maybe with a couple of quirky combat droids would make them a full on balanced skirmish army) and then post comparisons.
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I found some Space Isis too! (maybe for that Saudi Judge) at Sgt Major Miniatures, they could ally with the Apes and make the taliban-ana gang.
(http://www.sgmm.biz/thumbnail.asp?file=assets/images/scifi/box1280-43-i-fi83-spase-terrorist_thumbnail.jpg&maxx=150&maxy=0)
And Warlord have now disconnected the link from the Dredd icon on their homepage to the product range listings (almost in line with it ending end of November), suggesting it is now all discontinued.
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Just found a box with some Dredd miniatures in.I am sure i have others scattered around the house too.
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Citadel or Warlord? There's one Foundry Judge no longer available that looks worth getting (the female Judge holding helmet). I have a box of original Citadel Dredd stuff somewhere else I need to get and go through, see what I have and what scales. It looks from photo's like the main stuff will scale perfectly well and a couple of Citadel Judges were real quality.
From buying bags of Judges in Mongooses fire-sale for the odd figure I needed, I have 1 or 2 spares of most of the Warlord Judges, and a few more of some (the hvy weapons Judge's with lazooka & stub gun, the pursuit car Judge, the female SCS Judge, the Judge with 2 lawgivers, the Judge with interchangeable rifle arm (who has excellent zombie potential), some box sets of Citi-Def and a few other things). I will stick them on Bazaar in next week or so at fair prices. From chasing all this and seeing what was missing from their fire-sales, the rare stuff seems to be all female Judges, the hvy weapons Judge with the rotary cannon (never appeared once outside of the Specialist box set and that was out of stock almost everywhere from start, I had to get mine from Germany, in fact all those Specialist Judges seem rare), all the Judges from the Cal box set, various other things like Oz Judge on Trike, most of all Fatties, East Meg & Citi-Def reinforcements, Meg Citizens, and ABC Warriors (especially Mongrel). But then step back from what Mongoose sold off and there's virtually nothing out there so outside of this fire-sale stuff cycling through, if it doesn't come back into production, outside of enthusiast circles like maybe the Bazaar here it's going to be very hard to get, old Citadel (and obviously Foundry) will be the most available stuff for newbies.
edit - and of course uber rare stuff is things like the Brit-Cit or Cal-Hab Judge on Iron Lion thing lawmaster and the new biker gang that were too late for retail and that only kickstarters will have had. Mongoose only sold one biker gang off in the firesale which I got, the only other I've seen is on White Knights bazaar listing here, for what is (judging by the Ape biker gang that was £40 for 4) less than retail would have been. It's sat there & people have passed it by, if that was on ebay it would fly for more. I wonder if somewhere there's an obscure forum with a Crooked Dice Sarah Jane sitting for sale for peanuts while many like me watch ebay waiting to throw money at one.
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I am sure i have a couple of Fatties some place too.Miniatures hidden all over.My one's are the Mongoose one's.
Did the Dice Bag Lady not have some of the Crooked Dice Dr.Who figures to clear out?
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The only Fatties that have been available during all this were hugely expensive Citadel ones on ebay, and a Spanish guy selling one type of Warlord / Mongoose on ebay, with exchange rate & shipping were expensive. I got one as I had no fatties at all, thinking he was the one with the gun but instead turns out it's the one with the hamburger. He'll do as a civilian (rather than Oola Blint's troubled son and mafioso side kick, with a gun) but it troubles me his arms are too short for him to feed himself the hamburger and so I wonder why he has it. I can't imagine it's to throw. Fatties need helper bots with the food.
Unfortunately everywhere is out of Crooked Dice Sarah Jane's. I have found one apparently really obscure site that still has stock of Crooked Dice Ms Temple, Group Captain Barrowight(man), WPC May / Amy Pond in her police kissogram outfit (!!!), and Marwood. I want Marwood for future pulp fiction gaming and maybe as a Dredd Badlands guy, I can't think how to fit WPC May in but the figure is insanely collectible / saleable, I'm tempted to buy their stock, sell it on ebay and retire. It all went wrong a few weeks back when someone sold a lot of Crooked Dice Dr. Who on ebay that included Sarah Jane (and Marwood), but about 5 others I didn't want, sold for approx £35. I thought too much for just what I wanted but it's how it is (checked and only one ever listed on ebay), you have to buy lots and sell the rest on. I bet if Sarah Jane went on it's own would go for £20. There was a Knight Models 30mm Han Solo few days back went for around £30.
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The female Wargames Foundry judge holding helmet is Judge Hershey. You can find her on this sort of secret page (it doesn't link from the other 2000AD pages) here along with two other sculpts of Dredd:
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/our-ranges/2000ad/more-2000ad-models-bc2000ad010
She's a very nice figure but like all of the Foundry 2000AD stuff big compared to the Warlord/Mongoose judges.
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Excellent thank you, that's brilliant, that's saved me from having to search ebay for them, from the stress and probably from over paying :-)
I've seen the Foundry Judges are big from photo's, they look like a few would just about squeeze into the Warlord scale, but too many would be too much. Though it's same within the Warlord range too, some of the Judges (like the one holding the baton in the Judge Cal box set) are definitely big / chunky and dwarf other figures like the female SCS Judge and male SCS Judge with beard (that are very slim / delicate). Or like the Cursed Earth Desperadoes Top Dog is massive.
But it's odd with the Warlord stuff, especially as I believe they used different sculptors you wouldn't think there was a consistent style that tied it all together but there is, the big and small stuff within the range looks ok together, just like some people are naturally big and others small. Then you put a different manufacturer next to them, if they land around the middle (maybe toward the larger end) of the scale they fit in fine, but get toward either extreme of the scale, too small or thin or too tall & chunky they look really wrong, whereas big or small Warlord stuff gets away with it.
But hopefully with the Judges in uniform that will help the bigger Foundry Judges work (well enough) with the smaller Warlord ones. I have a load of stuff to order from Foundry when my finances have recovered they have some excellent stuff. I wish they did lawmasters and bikes though, can't have too many. I'm hoping old Citadel will work too, so far I've compared a mutie skink whose perfect scale, and Citadel lawmasters. The Citadel lawmasters look ridiculously small next to the Warlord ones, may only be good for converting to non Judge street bikes (though I'll save one for the Juve Jimp, would suit him perfectly as a bike he's copied), but the riders seem to scale perfectly well with Warlord Dredd (and those riders upper bodies, cartoony like Citadel was and waving their arms about trying to reach the bike handle bars offer great zombie Judge potential). I got one yesterday for £2.20 whose going to be zombiefied.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/MQMAAOSwiONYOZ4E/s-l1600.jpg)
(how frustrating Citadel were, such good sculpting, detail so deep and defined, but chaos in terms of making a range that added up to anything, just random Judges and Perps like they were only indulging themselves for cool figures. It's similar with Foundry now, it's just a character parade rather than a range you can do much with (though obviously an extremely high quality one). At least Mongoose / Warlord had a structured approach and covered all the bases properly so we can do something proper with the genre).
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These are apparently the Judge Dredd citi-def figures: http://www.whona.com/FASA-9508-Temporal-Marauders_p_3074.html
http://www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/index.php?title=Doctor_Who_(RAFM)#9508_The_Temporal_Marauders
Third row here:
http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Judge_Dredd#JD3_-_Perps
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I've got some of the old Citadel judges and they'e a lot smaller than any of the Warlord/Mongoose ones. I've two Citadel Lawmasters and while they are a good match for the version of the Lawmaster being drawn in Dredd at the time (about 1985 or so) they are only about 75% the size of the Warlord/Mongoose one.
I really hope the licence is being picked up by another minis manufacturer and they produce figures which are compatable with the Mongoose/Warlord figs. While Mongoose couldn't make money from Dredd as a game I still think a collectable range of 2000AD figs would work. Foundry's figures are good but there are too many gaps.
A nice new modern range of 2000AD /Dredd figs would also be great promotion for the comic. All the frenzy around the end of the Warlord/Mongoose Dredd has made me want to buy more of the stories as I've never read Necropolis, Judgement Day, or Day of Chaos and all sound very interesting. I've also a notion to read Cursed Earth Koburn, a character I didn't know existed until this thread. I fondly remember his ancestor from the old Battle comic, Major Eazy.
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I don't believe that Dredd wasn't making money. That is the stock Mongoose answer for killing a product line. Nobody keeps a license that loses money for thirteen years. Mongoose doesn't have money to burn.
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The jetbikes are very cool though, and as more 'all-terrain' vehicles, to me they make more sense for a Cursed Earth or Badlands community than conventional bikes do. I guess ok in resin too as clean solid design & nothing to really break off, I'd worry about resin riders though with stuck out arms and stuff. But whatever, they're so similar (as you say maybe due to same sculptor) they should scale great.
On my lateral trawling through google I turned up this, good value at £40 for 20 figures (assuming you didn't get screwed by customs for vat etc) I think most of the figures look perfect for Dredd (in various theatres, some for badlands others for Meg1), particularly the heavy citi-def type unit in red (go to link to see big picture, they have very 2000AD styling, in fact they look very similar to the metal hvy Citi-Def Mongoose did for GOMC1). The ones that wouldn't fit with Dredd (like the rocket girl bottom far left) look like very attractive quality figures and would be very saleable at a decent price to people playing those other genres, so you could off-load what didn't work to keep within a good price. And from other photo's they look like they may scale well with Warlord Dredd (although I'm beginning to realise that's a bit of an abstract concept as lots of Warlord Dredd stuff itself struggles to scale with other Warlord Dredd. There is a range of a few at true 28mm, most at tall but slim / vampy 28mm, then there's a few at definitely chunky and very big super heroic 28mm (like the Judge with baton from Judge Cal retinue and the Cursed Earth Desperado top dog who are huge). It's ok with proxies if you stay around the middle of those extremes, but get anywhere near the scale extremes with proxies (height and / or particularly chunkiness), the slightly different styling / uniforms make them scream as being spurious & wrong. It's definitely a matter of suck it and see with these proxies.
(http://www.megaminis.com/MEGA/JPG/Complete-Set-Humans.jpg)
http://johnnyborgcastings.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06
(again depends on scale, but if normal heroic 28mm that guy in the bronze coloured space suit would make a great East Meg Jaeger sniper (equivalent to ones in citi-def) or an East Meg Space Judge, if true 28mm and so a bit small, would make a great Rogue Trooper Nort (mask pipes don't go to filter but to an air box so self contained, not necessary but to be perfect I think could easily be modded to Nort tanks).
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-v3jBdKmvXA4/WACVaV3AEYI/AAAAAAAAIXA/rsybyJ0eXcoAM-RSS1NsEjwepZMnhL1-QCLcB/s320/IMG_6439.JPG)
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-khUf5KtrzGw/WACVaa6QyjI/AAAAAAAAIW8/LzXW9fyn2tktTbx7dhWVmcCPX_VSSCJcQCLcB/s320/IMG_6437.JPG)
I've emailed the guy for his opinion on scale, if he thinks they'd work ok will get them (the Citi-Def look too right not to & I think a small hvy unit added to the Warlord Citi-Def, maybe with a couple of quirky combat droids would make them a full on balanced skirmish army) and then post comparisons.
I've got those figures (they were sold off as a Kickstarter a few years ago and as far as I know no more will be made) They match with the warlord/Mongoose figures well but would also work with the old Citadel at a push. Some great figures there with an old school vibe. I really must paint mine!
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Some nice robo-dogs here:
http://www.minibits.net/Robo-Dogs-p917/
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http://johnnyborgcastings.blogspot.com/2015/06/excuse-my-mess-am-testing-out-paypal.html?m=1
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The "what sizes up well together" part of this thread is very useful, keep the suggestions coming. I'd have never thought about that ERM line for example.
I've got some old Necromunda Ratskins put aside for Cursed Earthers.
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It really is odd how it all scales. I just received some figures I ordered off Scotia Grendel to test for scaling.
Kryomech Nexus Forces Human Cyclos Infantry are exactly the right chunkiness, in fact more on the muscular side than Warlord Dredd so minutely chunkier, and fractionally shorter (about 2 thirds of a head shorter than an East Meg Judge). But they're convict troops (they have what I assume is a metal controlling clamp on their head), they look exactly right as East Meg grunts. A whole back story clicks into place for them, they're short cuz they're from a deprived desperate population and were underfed in childhood, ended up committing petty crimes (like stealing extra food rations to try and survive, or worse, questioning the authorities) so sentenced to life by mean Soviet Judges, given a way out by joining their convict army where they were fed ok & probably given steroids too, very hard life so muscular. The way the figures don't quite match with Warlord Dredd actually works for them perfectly, they're almost East Meg orcs, they are ace and exactly what I needed for East Meg Judges to order into mass Soviet style wave attacks. Something like 40 troops (including those in the padded combat suit with shields) all different poses, perfect cannon fodder that adds to the believability & immersion. Only minor issue is they have cast bases, but they are small and slim and would be easy to remove, or wouldn't really show much if you just glued them on a slotta base and textured over their metal base it's that slim. These are the only ones with metal bases though, the Void 1.1 and rest of Scotia Grendel seems to be slotta bases.
(http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/images/Kryomek%20Nexus%20Humans/CYO-003.jpg)
It's a shame re the Nexus Marines, from photo's they look considerably bigger and too big, and the figure weight which is considerably higher than Cyclos troops suggests that's correct so I'm not even going to try those.
Scotia Grendel also have Militia (the largest selection listed under Void 1.1) who again are pretty much perfect chunkiness but fractionally short compared to citi-def or whatever, however they match up with the Street Gang Juves almost perfectly, they don't look too small just appropriately young / juve like.
(http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/images/Void%20Militia/Void%20Militia.jpg)
Then there's Scotia Grendel Void 1.1, I got a Vasa Marine Sgt that scales perfectly. Again muscular like the Cyclos but fractionally taller so fits in just as well, just doesn't look like a convict trooper whose had a hard life. There are something like 10 of these uniformed in different poses (if you get them careful you don't buy the slightly cheaper but apparently no where near as good plastics ones), scale perfectly and will work as a Vatican or Argentina Judge posse, or as a Gotham type gang for an arch criminal.
(http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/images/Void%20VASA/11403_VASA_marine_sgt.jpg)
I've not tested their urban war figures yet other than getting a Viridian female (that I'm going to convert into a female version of Judge Koburn), hard to tell re scale with females but looks effectively same as Void 1.1 so imagine they'd be fine (although the males look slightly chunkier and I'd want to test one first rather than assuming & buying volume).
(http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/images/Urban%20Viridians/13151_Land_Pilot.jpg)
So Scotia Grendel offers loads of opportunity to add depth / volume to Warlord Dredd. Most of the casting isn't as good, among the stuff I got in the Mongoose fire-sale I have a couple of Juve ganger figures that I guess were seconds, they're very shiny, very smooth in places and they're quite flashy. I don't know if it's from wrong temperature, moulds not dusted enough or whatever but it seems to be something proper, most of the Scotia Grendel figures have a bit of that about them (Cyclos, Void Vasa, Urban Viridian, although the Void 1.1 militia are as perfect / clean casts as Warlord ones). I don't think it's a criticism of the range, Warlord / Mongoose Dredd were high quality and expensive for it, Scotia Grendel figures would just need slightly more cleaning up, and their extremely inexpensive price (compared to Warlord Dredd and lots of other stuff) makes that reasonable. For me, the quality is there with a bit of work on cleaning up and attention to detail, and they just offer too much potential for support troops / volume without duplication not to go for.
I'm going to be getting quite a bit from Scotia Grendel they work great, they solve my East Meg grunt problem and give lots of opportunity for other stuff. As I said before Blind Beggar also work great (I have the Outlanders for a Badlands Town and am getting the People of the Sand for hard core Cursed Earth, little cohesive communities that give each theatre a proper backbone of quality character & believability).
And last night I found this, could be useful for Badlands bikers (added to those mentioned before from Red Star Coven, again resin) though I'm not doing Dwarves which is a shame as he has the best bike, it's maybe even a bit like Judge Koburns jet car (rather than his anti-grav bike). And the Gnome biker looks extremely 2000AD.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/014/756/960/7886f74a02d4897c6a1d72d940460c1f_original.jpg?w=1024&h=576&fit=fill&bg=000000&v=1480763829&auto=format&q=92&s=f22df6cf844a0851093de279dbc25d65)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/179741323/jet-bike-construction-kit?ref=category_ending_soon
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Vasa Void 1.1 or Vasa Urban war? I think I'm probably going to avoid urban war for now as Void 1.1 offers more than enough to occupy me for ages.
I think Void 1.1 Vasa work brilliantly for Ciudad Barranquilla, they are appropriately camp but angry looking and they'll work for a side project I have. As different spokes off the same Dredd hub, I'm intending to be able to wargame Meg 1 gangs, East Meg invasion, Zombies + Cultists + Demon Horde, and Cursed Earth / Badlands. That will keep me going years, but ultimately I want to have a Vril Cit war (from under the Antarctic) led by Hitler bot, in Alliance with Banana City and maybe the Vatican. I think I'm going to have to get some Excalibur miniatures too, they have ace robots and even space nuns with guns that will go with the Vatican Judge.
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The "what sizes up well together" part of this thread is very useful, keep the suggestions coming. I'd have never thought about that ERM line for example.
I've got some old Necromunda Ratskins put aside for Cursed Earthers.
That's a good idea about Ratskins for Cursed Earth, would go with Fink Angel (though imo the Warlord Fink is too chunky / well fed, will have to get the Foundry one). Blind Beggar miniatures are going to be releasing their new People of the Sand soon, I think they're perfect for Cursed Earth too and although I haven't checked scale match guess could be augmented with Pig Iron Kolony Ferals for a full on army (Sgt Major Miniatures has a few that would fit too). But ratskins is a great idea for some extra diversity, added to my list :-)
Btw, those into zombies, there's an apparently rare (on account I don't believe it's been retailed yet) box of Mantic Deadzone Contagion figures in an auction finishing in a few hours on ebay. The zombies are too military for what I'm doing but look quality & are maybe a good deal at the moment.
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Some nice robo-dogs here:
http://www.minibits.net/Robo-Dogs-p917/
I forgot all about them, I found them early on and would have ordered some, they have a female super hero that's perfect for Dredd Pyrokinetic and more of a bombshell than Warlords version but it was out of stock (and still is). I will email them to find out if any of it is going OOP or it's just waiting to be recast. They have robot cats as well which make great sense for a Badlands town to keep rats down, and a source of contention & reason for war (!) with their Cursed Earth neighbours who like rats, like Fink and as someone suggested Ratskins. They have gotham type goons in jumpsuits & executioner type masks too. And a Robin figure that would work great with Bat Burglar.
(http://www.minibits.net/ProductImages/Blueflairsm.jpg)
(http://www.minibits.net/ProductImages/RoboCats.jpg)
(http://www.minibits.net/ProductImages/TheKidsm.jpg)
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http://johnnyborgcastings.blogspot.com/2015/06/excuse-my-mess-am-testing-out-paypal.html?m=1
I had an email chat with him, he's a really nice guy, has 2 kickstarters in 2017, one of which I think he said would be for security droids (!) with add on's of the cool robots he originally did as stretch goals for the Salvage Crew KS. Hope I'm not betraying confidence, he didn't say it was confidential but he said he was then going to retire from miniature making (though I don't know if that means he'll stop casting and trading from the stuff he's already done or just no more new stuff). But potentially this is more stuff that will be going OOP, if so a real shame his figures look great and his fantasy furniture looks brilliant, I'm years off getting back into fantasy gaming, can't spend on that too while also catching up with Dredd & sci-fi, and then also pulp, will have to watch it go by.
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Did we mention Father Earth already? A possible more mutated take on him.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/twrchtrwyth/Modelau%20ar%20werth/Father%20Earth_zpsd1ggcnxh.png) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/twrchtrwyth/media/Modelau%20ar%20werth/Father%20Earth_zpsd1ggcnxh.png.html)
http://www.midlamminiatures.co.uk/green-men/GM2.html
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Oh no I didn't even know about Father Earth, that's a whole extra thing I'm going to end up doing, I'm far too into Syd Barrett not to do a hippy mutant. I've been trying to work out how I could fit some of these in... this should do it.
(http://otherworldminiatures.co.uk/figures/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/DryadNymphSylphPaint2-350x350.jpg)
http://otherworldminiatures.co.uk/shop/wilderness-encounters/we2-dryad-nymph-sylph/
The Dryad could be a mutant, could the fairy? I think the Elf at least could work as Father Earth's aide de camp, I have spare Spectrum pistol hands (really useful and cheap from Crooked Dice). Sci-Fi Tunnels and Trolls, with Dredd.
edit - just checked through midlamminiatures and they have some great stuff, shame it's only fantasy & they don't do sci-fi. I imagine trees etc are feasible in South Badlands Dredd (to East of Cursed Earth, Georgia / Louisiana kind of area down to Texas City, and North West Badlands up to Uranium City), it's marked on the maps as separate / different so I assume not desert or scrub like Cursed Earth so even if polluted and a bit irradiated I guess it has trees and animals etc, is patchy wilderness like Chernobyl now, just with lots of mutation.
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Anyone looking for a Fattie for use in Judge Dredd should check out the DC Heroclix figure of Bouncing Boy. I got one and cut off his flying base and glued him to a slottabase. A perfect Fattie! He's currently available for sale for just £1.25 on eBay. See here - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DC-Heroclix-Justice-League-BOUNCING-BOY-Rookie-016-/232074223173?hash=item3608b39e45:g:uB8AAOxyni9TE3hk (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DC-Heroclix-Justice-League-BOUNCING-BOY-Rookie-016-/232074223173?hash=item3608b39e45:g:uB8AAOxyni9TE3hk)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/uB8AAOxyni9TE3hk/s-l500.jpg)
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There's also The Blob, which I think there are 2 sculpts of, and the Dreamblade fattie.
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I'm definitely not getting into fatties, if I start I'll end up wanting the Citadel ones too and they're a fortune, and all the Warlord ones and if they don't go back into production they'll cost loads too. That ones a good spot on ebay though, I may get that just as another background civilian in the crowd.
Actually Worcester Wargames (a proper wargaming shop) have the last of their Dredd miniatures box sets stock going on a few auctions on ebay right now, apart from a couple of character blisters at Wayland Games, a few box sets at Spirit Games, and a few at FantasyWelt in Germany, from all my searching the Worcester Games stock is the last out there from proper retailers.
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I'm sure I've seen a few fatties (not Mega1 belly wheel fat but still big) on my travels but can't remember where. There's certainly no fattie ladies about.
Does anyone know how Warmachine (Cygnar etc) scales to Warlord Dredd? I'm not getting into another genre yet but they have one or 2 really nice figures.
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edit - hurray just won 9 Antenocitis Workshop G.O.T. figures off ebay, not a clue what they're like except they are clearly quality (OOP and virtually no photo's on the net of the range) but the group appears to have a hot cyborg lady in I definitely needed, though I guess they're probably more Infinity than Warlord Dredd, I'll see.
In case anyone is interested, Worcester Wargames has some unopened Necromunda blisters on auctions starting at not crazy prices. A Ratskin priest, quite a few pit slave gangers etc.
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There's Big Bertha and a butcher from Horrorclix as well that are chunky prople.
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The joy of speculative lateral google searching. A fattie lady...
(http://www.terragnosis.co.uk/store/images/big%20bird.jpg)
Apparently from Terragnosis' Scavengers line. http://www.terragnosis.co.uk/store/
No figures listed but they say they're rebuilding their site and everything will be available again shortly so it may not be OOP. Hopefully it's not OOP, I think definitely one for the gang.
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Battlefield Berlin has some Dredd stuff left too.
http://www.shop.battlefield-berlin.de/index.php/katalog/nlayer/2387-1-judge_dredd.html
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The joy of speculative lateral google searching. A fattie lady...
(http://www.terragnosis.co.uk/store/images/big%20bird.jpg)
Apparently from Terragnosis' Scavengers line. http://www.terragnosis.co.uk/store/
No figures listed but they say they're rebuilding their site and everything will be available again shortly so it may not be OOP. Hopefully it's not OOP, I think definitely one for the gang.
I NEED that!
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Not fat enough but definitely a fatty in the making
http://blackcatbases.com/shop/figures/figures-civillians-townsfolk/female-civilian-casually-dressed/
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Me too, though I think it's resin or plastic but too good fun not to get.
I have too much Dredd stuff. It's crazy how much I've ended up with, at the beginning I bought a brand new starter box set almost full price (£72!), then it arrived and looked like it had been in the Apocalypse War, the contents were fine but the box was wrecked (I think they must have a warehouse dog chewing things). Seemed crazy to pay full price for something potentially collectible that was so damaged / worn it had no collector value so decided to return it, then I got to buy a bundle with a new half price starter set in. Ace. Now the people I bought the wrecked one off have said if I want I can keep it and they'll refund half (£36). I reckon reselling it maybe £12 for each of the 2 box sets, £6 for each of the exclusive figures and I get a 2nd rulebook for free I can give to whoever else I get into this. Had an issue with a Judges of the World box set off exactly the same people for £24, 2 miscasts (Vatican Judge has no ears on his hat and Texas Judge is missing his left hand), so asked to return (bought another from somewhere else) and said I can keep it for £12. Probably not enough value in a part set and rest of figures though as odd figures of those aren't much use & people want the set.
edit re blackcatbases excellent, gone in my favourites. They have crazy people and bad nurses too. And robots and people with knee pads
(http://i2.wp.com/blackcatbases.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/bcblstrr6-3-1.jpg?resize=373%2C250)
(http://i2.wp.com/blackcatbases.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/mfmpsq1-3-1.jpg?resize=373%2C169)
In fact they have a few on their way to being fatties
(http://i2.wp.com/blackcatbases.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/bcblsfvmg1-3-1.jpg?resize=343%2C373)
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Looking at Blackcatbases again, they stock Moonfleet miniatures who does these, described as Police Heroes, 5 in different poses in those uniforms (but they don't all look like Bruce Willis). Maybe someones citi-def or the basis of a Canadian Judge (they look quite warm, just need the hat), or maybe they are whatever the Scandinavians are doing. Maybe Cal-Hab something.
(http://i1.wp.com/blackcatbases.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/mfmphtp1-3-1.jpg?resize=202%2C373)
(http://i2.wp.com/blackcatbases.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/mfmphsg1-3-1.jpg?resize=275%2C373)
And they do 8 clown gangers too
(http://i2.wp.com/blackcatbases.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/mfmcttt1a-3-1.jpg?resize=193%2C254)
I'd want to test one for scale though as Dredd is definitely heroic (albeit slim) and as I discovered with Konflikt47 true 28mm can look properly too small.
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Black Cat bases do have some great eclectic stuff. The Android taxis that moonfleet miniatures do are other things I want to buy at one point.
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They have got some interesting stuff, I've just emailed to ask them about how small / true or heroic / tall their 28mm is. I've just realised those Police Hero's with those padded collars are a lot like the Judge uniform from the last Dredd movie (as per this 1/6th scale figure).
(http://cdn3.volusion.com/7aztx.j6veq/v/vspfiles/photos/FA0016-2T.jpg?1413968453)
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As many of you know, we are always buying older lines and sculpts from other companies. I am proud to announce we have acquired certain models from the old 28mm Judge Dredd Line from Mongoose.
We did not get any of licensed characters, like Judges, ect but we did get some other great models.
Over the next couple of months we will be casting molds and releasing some figures. The first releases will be the
Purge Hunter Cultists (Old Demonic Cabal)Box set:
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yIv0G5Z25-s/WEdhoU8N7II/AAAAAAAACkw/iUd4RNldzbghmAVeQL7kUtetFvEBsTSDgCLcB/s1600/Purge%2BHunters.jpg)
EF Militia (Old City DeF)
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-mfZ9wdpP9Sw/WEdhoY6oFCI/AAAAAAAACk0/n3OUZobrBk8l_yv5iKYe_l8LFeV8QCZkQCLcB/s1600/EF%2BMilita.jpg])
We have not added them to the site yet.. we are waiting for them to be painted but wehave some packs already cast if you need them. Each box set is $24.95. PM or email me at sales AT Rebel Minis.com
Thanks for all your support!
RebelMike
RebelMinis.com
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Cool.
So the cultist set remind me of the old Anderson possessed kid story (Gargarax? "ackbar snackbar", etc? ).
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That's great news about Rebel Mini's, I wondered if that might happen with the non Judge stuff as Rebel do some of the old Mongoose starship stuff, notably the original Mk 2 Holo's (Earth Force Widowmakers). They are on my list to order as they'd be perfect for East Meg holo's.
Also I'm going to guess if elements of the range have been sold off, it definitely means the range is OOP and not coming back. I wonder if we'll see a new range, and it will be smaller / more concentrated (perhaps like project X is), might be in the style of the latest film (a range of those Judges would pick up all the people currently invested in Warlord Dredd range as it augments it, and would pick up a lot of newbies too, perhaps especially in America where that Dredd image seems to have had greatest impact & appeal (you only have to look at 1/6th scale, they've gone crazy over the non licensed Armoured Cops that copy the last film).
May I ask, if you have the main citi-def unit, will you also be doing the citi-def reinforcements (a 3 pack blister of a guy with a sword, a chainsaw, and a Jaeger sniper)?
edit - and Warlord have now completely removed the Dredd icon from their homepage so that's their last reference to it gone, but they have a very cool Compound building set from Project X.
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Glad to see that Rebel is going to have some of the line, and at a less expensive price, too.
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Yes it's good, especially for those in America and Canada who must have had to play catch up with a lot of this. And good prices too, not so cheap (especially with importing from America) that it prevents people selling their 2nd hand Warlord / Mongoose stuff on at reasonable prices, but available so it stops people profiteering on the OOP stock & ripping people off for crazy prices.
And I guess it may not mean the end of the rest of the range, Warlord may selectively take on the Judge stuff themselves, they may be happy to let the CD set go as they'd reckon it's already been bought by those into the Dredd game, they'd maybe be better off with a new CD unit in a different uniform that would allow people to wargame block wars and would sell to existing Dredd players all over again. Or not, we can live in hope :-) I suspect Rebellion may try & take this opportunity to launch a new Dredd miniatures game based on the last film and new Judge uniform, modern, less comic and more gritty, it does seem to have had much more appeal in America than traditional Dredd did.
Btw, I got some KillerB figures to test for scale with Warlord (from their Starhide range that seems to match their Gafdoz stuff too). The humans are definitely too big (too tall and thick set / chunky) to go with Warlord Dredd, but not a problem as I only got a Sasquatch and a cowboy robot to go with my Blind Beggar Miniatures, and despite being big those work fine, the sasquatch looks proper sasquatch size and the cowboy robot works great as a big robo John Wayne (who was stupidly big, made all his horses look like ponies).
And I also got a few cowboy hover robots off them that scale fine, not too big and they have cool 2000AD style shoulder pads. My Badlands town now has its security, my Marshall has his deputies :-)
(http://killerbgames.com/images/PAINTED%20MEK%20BRO%20BORON%20BIG.jpg)
Also I think I've found the bosses for my Badlands town, and also maybe the leaders of a themed Meg 1 gang, George Washingtrumpton and his Agent Provocateurs, Pablo Revere and Melanie Gibson, who are probably going to try and start a demo(n)cratic (in association with cultists) revolution for liberty from mean Meg1 Justice oppression. They have laser flintlocks!
(http://privateerpress.com/files/imagecache/product_image/products/31130_Black13thStrikeForce_WEB.jpg)
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I think that I need to get a few of those KillerB offerings, both for my own Outland Sci-Fi setting as well as the Cursed Earth.
As you say, they will fit with the Blind Beggar stuff well enough.
:D
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It's that basic human desire to want to customise, the Blind Beggar Outlanders are brilliant as a complete core community, but the KillerB Sasquatch fits in so well with its styling and the theme, makes the group a bit different. And while it's big it works cuz it's a Sasquatch, called Bobo.
How many programs searching for them, just once Bobo finds one, but then...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgBfCSYyE6g
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Not wanting to move on from and people miss the post:
REBEL MINI's in America are going to be producing some of the Warlord / Mongoose Dredd figures that aren't obviously associated with the license / Dredd, so apparently no Judges, but so far they've revealed Citi-Def box set and Demon Cabal will be available from them at around $25 each. Apparently there will be other things too so definitely one to watch. They also have some old Mongoose Starship Trooper stuff like the original Mk2 holo suit, would work great as maybe an East Meg Holo suit.
Meanwhile, today I received some civilians from CP Models that I ordered to test for scale with Warlord Dredd. I can't get my head around scale, these are only fractionally bigger than the Gringos40 zombie hunters at true 28mm that were definitely a bit too small to go with Warlord Dredd, but they fit in with Warlord Dredd perfectly. This is great news as they have 5 or 6 sci-fi civilians / non combatants that will work with the Warlord Meg 1 citizens (I have a set and they go with them great), and while they're all nice, the 3 pack are exceptionally attractive figures and a real find. Another one of the civilians looks a lot like Karl Urban from the Dredd film. The 3 pack are very detailed in fancy clothes, you wouldn't want hordes of them or they'd be too busy, but in the mix they are brilliant. For how well they fit in & the really good price they are, these make as much if not more sense than the official Warlord / Mongoose citizens.
(http://www.cpmodelsminiatures.co.uk/NC5.1.png)
Also, I got a female crew member with scanner from their Starship Crew range, it's a really attractive figure but unfortunately it's a bit too small, matches up with the Gringos40s zombie hunter so I'd guess bang on true 28mm. With it being a female I can get away with that one figure, I'll use it with my Crooked Dice Time Lift Security (that are fractionally smaller than Warlord Dredd, not so much they don't go together but enough to help this work). A real shame as the CP models Starship crew are excellent and would have been lots of fun in Dredd.
(http://www.cpmodelsminiatures.co.uk/CP-SSC11-Starship-crew.jpg)
They have some older Starship crew figures though, don't know if they're bigger smaller or same size.
Also in the box they included in a free figure (I'm assuming they didn't just pack it in error), which was the figure below. I hadn't checked because I'm not doing Aliens in Dredd (for now at least) so didn't realise CP models did so many Aliens, they're really good and some look really useful. The one I got has a very narrow head like a robot, in fact painted right it would just look like a combat droid so that's great. It's on the smaller side but not too small and as a robot it fits in fine anyway.
(http://www.cpmodelsminiatures.co.uk/CP-AS1.1.jpg)
Looking at the Alien range I found they also have these.
(http://www.cpmodelsminiatures.co.uk/CP-Plant-Creatures-e.jpg)
They'd go great as mutants with the Midlam Miniatures green man set (that is cheap at only £6 for 3 34mm+figures) suggested previously as Father Earth (first pic below). And Crooked Dice have a plant mutant too, costly but massive (second pic below), a bit more swampy and they'd all do great as a bunch of Everglades or wilderness forest mutants or something. (I'm sure I remember a 1980's Steven King / Creepshow story where a man found a meteorite covered with alien spores that turned him into a mutant plant - here he is). Crooked Dice also have some new pretty gangers (last picture), and as long as they're consistent with their other stuff which they should be, I'm confident Crooked Dice will scale with Warlord Dredd fine, will get them in due course.
(http://www.midlamminiatures.co.uk/user/products/thumbnails/Forest1-2-3.jpg)
(http://www.crooked-dice.co.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/11813416_10153589493583489_5293902561876406186_n-86x90.jpg)
(http://www.crooked-dice.co.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Angels-of-Justice-150x150.jpg)
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FYI
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=439482
EDIT: nevermind, see he's already been by
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It's really good news about Rebel mini's taking on those figures, they deserve a second life and America is perfect as there's probably not many noticed them before with them buried in the Dredd range.
Hopefully one last question about scale as I've got it mostly sorted now, but how does original 1987 Games Workshop Imperial Army scale to Warlord Dredd, like these people below? It's the same period Citadel were doing their Dredd and most of that seems to scale fine with Warlord, except their earliest Dredd figure which is small in comparison. I can't remember, I'd guess it must do but I figure it's worth checking, someone must know for sure as they were very common.
Does anyone have a clue how these guys would scale to Warlord Dredd?
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bkYAAOSwAYtWMQC2/s-l1600.jpg)
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Thanks for the heads up on CP models. Those civies are great! At the price (and current exchange rate) I just couldn't help myself and ordered them and some squat vehicle crew.
I'd kind of forgotten about CP models but there's some cool figs in their catalog.
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Ulfhednar - I can see where you are going with the old Imperial Guard figs, they do have a nice Citi-Def look to them.
I would say they would be about a head shorter than the Warlord Dredd stuff - I have some examples of both at home and if I get chance I will take a quick pic tonight for comparison. They'd definitely be chunkier in style, if not shorter.
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These are some of the alternatives that I use.
To augment my Ape Gang.
From Reaper, Ape-X.
(http://miniature-heroes.co.uk/bmz_cache/1/121e1e0acc00abea0b98c7d55b572d8c.image.220x257.jpg)
And Orangutango, Cyber-Ape.
(http://miniature-heroes.co.uk/bmz_cache/e/eb331a4b8ce8b79ad4821b53f7c2d2b1.image.220x266.jpg)
For Cursed Earthers, I use these Chaos Cultists from Games Workshop.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MzU5WDUwMA==/z/g8sAAOxyBjBTVjN2/$_3.JPG?set_id=2)
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Also, have you looked at the Foundry Street Violence range for perps?
(http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/files/cache/9af66063631048ddd3e9e8b29b577ac6_f6369.png)
(http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/files/cache/bb1e7abd681ec383eb936835264b3a78_f6385.png)
(http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/files/cache/ff3d6b1779174192c9ea9c52e0ee0dd7_f6365.png)
(http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/files/cache/ea0642138c0f1f5ca0449dfa6060faf4_f6379.png)
(http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/files/cache/14f0fcaaf038c80a9f63a1e878866e2b_f6415.png)
(http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/files/cache/fb8b1a11fe402996a4eb79439f107c05_f6397.png)
(http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/files/cache/92c9b6267274fbe61e97abf25f173340_f6407.png)
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Excellent thanks for the info on the old Imperial Army. Yes it's a citi-def idea, I have a sealed blister of these old Mongoose CD command and was looking for troops to go with them. Then I saw one in this colour scheme below and it occurred to me they have the potential to be like a Confederate styled CD, that could be great for Block Wars.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/04QAAOSwZJBX~ikH/s-l1600.jpg)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/m/maKPXr28RG5b6XzWMWXT2pA/s-l200.jpg)
It's the earliest version of Imperial Army with the long boots (1987), by beginning of 1988 they'd moved to the Imperial Guard with the ankle boots and they start looking too military for Dredd. I do hope they scale but it's not sounding positive.
Re the Reaper proxies, Reaper has some exceptionally nice figures and many look like they'd scale, they're on my list to add a few choice characters from once I've got the main forces sorted. They suffer for being so good, I have no fear they'll go OOP so I'm leaving them for now :-)
Re the GW's Chaos Cultists as Cursed Earth proxies, that's a great idea. I've been avoiding GW stuff because I assumed it would be too big, but they went through a transition of getting bigger, I guess it's just a matter of working out which period they were a compatible size and taking from that, it seems to be around 87 / 88, Citadel's early Dredd figures are too small
to go with Warlord but their later Dredd seems to scale with it fine. There's lots in GW's stuff if it scales, they had a consistent cartoon style for a while that matches with Dredd, was in their Dredd, Paranoia, Space Pirates / Adventurers, Early Imperial Army stuff. It's the period of Citadel that they modded these figures below into East Meg Proxies and the style is perfect (these are available from Wargames Foundry listed under old Citadel).
(http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/files/5714/3889/8840/Group_BW.png)
(one's a conversion from the Citadel SCS with rifle, the other from the Citadel Judge giant).
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Re Wargames Foundry they're on my list but like Reaper, they're too successful and stable for me to worry they'll go out of production so although I have stuff I need to get from them (Dredd & Street Wars) it won't be for a while. Those gangers do look excellent, gang war figures are definitely not an issue in Dredd, Cursed Earth is looking good with things like Blind Beggar Miniatures People of the Sand maybe augmented by Pig Iron Kolony Ferals and a few from Sgt Major Miniatures, plus old citadel, random mutants etc. But uniformed civilised people are difficult, finding ones that are comic & urban enough, not too sensibly military.
edit - I'm definitely going to have to get Fast Lucy's & Olivia's Street girls at least. It's brilliant, makes it possible to have a number of different gangs each with their own fashion style, they could ally for proper Judges versus gangs wargaming. Like that old Warriors film with all the different gangs.
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Here we go, managed to snap a pic at lunchtime.
As you can see, the old IG figures are a lot smaller. I hadn't read your comments about the boots, but as I have IG figures in both styles I can confirm they are the same size overall.
I would hazard a guess that all Citadel figures of the same era would be too wee to mix with Warlord, and certainly with the Foundry Dredd models. :(
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Games Workshop can be a cost effective way (ie Ebay) of supplementing the Dredd universe.
For example here's a a re-purposed Tau tank.
(http://www.freewebs.com/norrins/DSCF5271.JPG)
The middle Lawmaster is a 40K mod.
(http://www.freewebs.com/norrins/Blog/Lawmasters.jpg)
Also, took a size comparison between the Mongoose figures and the Choas Cultists.
(http://www.freewebs.com/norrins/Blog/Cursed%20Earthers.jpg)
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Excellent thanks for the info on the old Imperial Army. Yes it's a citi-def idea, I have a sealed blister of these old Mongoose CD command and was looking for troops to go with them. Then I saw one in this colour scheme below and it occurred to me they have the potential to be like a Confederate styled CD, that could be great for Block Wars.
Modern Games Workshop Cadian troops go well with that old blister pack.
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Bugger :-( That's one of the biggest Warlord Judges but it's not over-sized, just a big person and maybe a half head taller than some others, but a whole head is probably too much. Compared to him the old Citadel Army do look too small (in height) but then they have the right chunkiness. I guess I'm going to find out for sure anyway, when I first rediscovered them on ebay last night I got all excited and bid for 2 before I remembered I should double check how they match for scale :-P
Yes there's a lot of Citadel that merges well. I was out of the hobby for years so missed out on the Arbites and their bikes, too expensive to go back for now they're out of print in any volume, though the odd one could work great as another City's Judge. I'll have a look for GW Chaos cultists as you're right, they fit great with the Cursed Earth Desperadoes. I think long term I'm going to have to go to an event / meet so I can rummage through different current ranges and traders old OOP stuff, there's too much in old GW stuff to ignore if you can just find the stuff that scales.
edit - I think the Cadian maybe look a bit too sensibly military for Dredd with their ankle boots & thick armour, like they actually know what they're doing, mean to achieve objectives and survive. I was looking at the Kasrkin too, Miniature Heroes have an ok painted unit of 9 for £20 (which judging by ebay prices is good), but again they look a bit too seriously full-time military.
(http://miniature-heroes.co.uk/bmz_cache/d/d16e768ebf7b69a9cadbc88cfde1f46c.image.220x149.jpg)
edit - and really nice job on the grav tank conversion. I was going to avoid stuff like that as the Warlord Manta tank was impossible to get hold of, way too big & powerful to fit into a wargame and insanely expensive. I was going to get a load of ground to air missile defence scenery (supplied to the baddies by East Meg, as they do) for my Badlands & Cursed Earth towns to account for Meg one not just using missiles or Manta's against them and having to go in on the ground, but that smaller Tau tank maybe makes some air support viable in model terms. Really good idea :-)
Re old Citadel Dredd, I have a big stash of it I'm going to recover this weekend, but at the moment only a Nort trooper, a Skink mutant (that I got cuz it was too cheap on ebay) and some lawmasters & riders to hand. The lawmaster bikes are way too small, but all the people look like they match ok, but then none are standing up straight so it's hard to tell, it's really just judging it on size of hands and head that do match, but that may be because Citadel was chunky and Warlord is slim, the actual heights could turn out to be completely wrong & look like they might.
Yes I saw that Foundry was big and possibly even slightly bigger than some Warlord (by being fractionally taller but more by being too chunky / heavier set for their height), and so in turn too big for Citadel too, it's going to be another range I'll have to test from & go slowly with.
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Here's my Citi Def (The old command pack & Cadians).
(http://www.freewebs.com/norrins/Blog/CitiDef2.jpg)
Here's Foundry & Mongoose. (Bases still need to be finished).
(http://www.freewebs.com/norrins/Blog/Miss%20Trudie.jpg)
Also, here's some more Games Workshop conversions.
(http://www.freewebs.com/norrins/Dredd/Bastion%202.JPG)
(http://www.freewebs.com/norrins//CSI%20MC1/Rapid%20Response.JPG)
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wow. That's really helpful thanks, the Cadians definitely scale ok and they do work with that citi-def command, but I'm not sure closely enough & with enough comic character to warrant me opening the sealed blister of them (I came to this late, picked up the figures only after they were already OOP and I know from looking, relatively they're extremely rare, possibly too valuable to a collector for me to use for my tatty gaming). If those CD were more available and so more run of the mill they'd be great with the Cadians as background troops. Mind you there are lots of Cadians, I only need 3 or so to make sense of that CD command, maybe I can find a few that will work. The Cadians though are maybe good enough on their own as proper military, I do need some more-military type troopers for my Vril Cit project (4th Reich under the Antarctic with Hitler bot, allied to Argentina & Vatican for a new apocalypse type war against Meg 1 & Brit Cit)
Maybe it's that I find those slightly later period GW's figures difficult, I guess it's the point that imo GW started taking themselves & what they were doing too seriously. Imo sci-fi warfare and armour is a comic thing, by the point technology is advanced enough for things like Imperial Guard / sci-fi, bullets and stuff would have on board AI targeting, finding gaps & weakspots and penning easily, they probably won't even use bullets will just be clouds of nanobots, drones and all very remote. I think it's why Dredd is such a winner as a genre, it allows for sci-fi warfare but because (on top of it being comic and not trying to be serious) it's urban and civil, can still be thugs and guns and knives & ordinary people. It just causes me a problem fitting in figures that look too seriously military.
Thanks for the Foundry shot, that's encouraging, fractionally tall (considering Judges are meant to be big) but still scales well enough and the Foundry gang range seems too useful not to use.
And your Justice building and landspeeder are excellent & definitely stuff I'll have to try and do. It was looking at the Imperial Guard landspeeders and bikes that led me onto rediscovering the original Imperial Army. They have so much useful stuff. Like the tarantula heavy gun, that would go great with Fast Pursuit Car Judge and the Dredd out of the Walter Wobot blister as operators.
(http://www.beastsofwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/JD012-Banshee-Interceptor_1024x10241-250.jpg)
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41X94HEUDUL.jpg)
Infact is that an Imperial speeder it looks better than theirs.
edit - I'm being mean about GW's vision of sci-fi warfare. But it's not really a criticism, within their own World it works, it's like Star Wars, it occurs in a different galaxy far away, maybe long ago, it has an entirely different / alternate history & reality to us and so like Star Wars, reality is suspended and it can be believed, it's immersive. But I don't think it merges into Earth timeline as our potential future (like Dredd is positioned), our future looks very different, imo civil / urban and even a bit comic just like Dredd is, where contesting optimised militaries aren't really present or at least can't afford to ever go to War because they'd be too capable & destructive. And I guess the Cities Justice Dept's wouldn't want their CD to develop into a competent organised military force as it would be a potential threat to their absolute power, they'd mean them to be amateurs.
edit - I'm going to guess I don't believe in future hard-core military, or at least can't fit it into my personal vision of Dredd / Earth future because I grew up during the cold war, in between Sabbaths Children of the Grave and When the Wind Blows, there wasn't going to be a future military and sci-fi warfare, just apocalyptic oblivion (maybe ending up like Mad Max) or no nuclear war and everything would just merge into overcrowded urban grubbiness with all powerful elite civil / commercial authorities, like in Blade Runner. 2000AD ended up with a bit of both, post apocalyptic & sci-fi urban, but still without the military.
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Re the Games Workshop Cadian's (and your land speeder & bikes), sorry I didn't realise they were still in production GW things, was lead to believe the Cadians at least were OOP by ebay ads trying to get inflated prices and hadn't checked the Games Workshop 40k site for... possibly ever, I literally haven't bought anything off GW for decades.
I realised last night your Cadians were current GW, really surprised they scale with Warlord Dredd like your picture shows they do (in fact a tiny bit short but they're more chunky / less vampy for their height, so their bulk matches and overall they look fine), so had a look through GW's site. It's a shame to say I just found it depressing. I thought they had some decent figures at first, the Adeptus Mechanicus Skitarii Vanguard looked brilliant. They're in stylised 15th cent German gothic armour like Citadel's original fantasy fighter FA10, I thought they'd do great for Vril Cit & their 4th Reich (being so Germanic), thought GW were celebrating their heritage referencing the FA10 fighter & were maybe even getting back to basics and their original core brand rather than continuing to indulge their out of nowhere made up nonsense:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FSKOS8tuDB4/T9vdwMDZwII/AAAAAAAABNc/bbFKhsq2n7k/s320/Old+Miniatures+098.JPG)
(https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120116002_SkitariiVanguard01.jpg)
But no, I thought the models had unusually slim ankles so I double checked the description to make sure they weren't robots, and wow, their back story is they've been cut off at the knees and given artificial legs to make terrain easier! Perhaps something for Bear Grylis to consider. And they're radioactive, so radioactive they'd poison anyone who went near them, but the radiation sickness doesn't put them off their (robo-leg) stride in being elite. I guess I could green stuff boots on them, but on such finely detailed figures it would probably look too rough and I'm not into modding entire ranges. I can't imagine that false leg / robot ankle detail has caused more to be sold, but it must have stopped some people from buying them, it's limiting & is just GW indulging themselves. They have no space / sci-fi adventurers, pirates, bombshell females, in fact anything just sci-fi, personal, or believable, it's all only feverishly out there extreme & OTT prescribed 40k. And they don't even have metal commanders, hardly anything is metal anymore it's almost all plastic. They look for all the World like a monopoly expecting people to fit in with them & their vision rather than other way around, if how they are now is how they'd been early 80's they'd never have been more than also-rans. edit - but they're plastic so only £23 or something for all of them, I guess I'm going to give in and have to try and mod their stupid legs into boots. (edit, looked again not possible, they don't only have robot legs below the knee the robot lower legs are too short, they'd need cutting off at the knee and pinning to whole new legs, don't have a clue how possible that is with plastic. Maybe it's easy but it means buying another 10 figures with normal human boot legs to butcher to fix these, not worth it, what a mess of a concept they are).
Then separately, they also have these 3 metal figures for £8.20, I'll mod a couple of them so their staffs are topped by a Soviet Star instead and use them as mind control wardens for my East Meg / Cyclos (Scotia Grendel) convict troops). So they can do useful affordable metal figures, they just choose not to very much. It's like they're limited under their own licence, if you don't play 40k proper there's little point looking at their stuff. (edit - you can tell I'm annoyed with GW, have been for years, the way they changed and took over the hobby with that was the reason I originally quit the hobby, just wish they'd go back to basics, stop trying to impose their imagination on others and stop designing figures like they live on Red Bull).
(https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/230x238/99060105173_PsykersNEW01.jpg)
Anyway, I bought some old Antenocitis GOT figures off ebay & received them today but found they're definitely too small (too short & slight / true form) to go with Warlord Dredd, very similar to the current Infinity stuff. Some really nice figures though, I'll break up the pack and hopefully sell them on in the Bazaar with my spare Dredd stuff.
And, I got this figure as a one off a while back from Prince August, registered it scaled but because there wasn't a lot of exciting stuff in the range to go back for, put it to one side and forgot about it. I noticed it again last night and it's actually a potentially really useful figure. It's perfectly in scale with Warlord Dredd, she has shoes and trousers that end just below the knee pads, some boots green stuffed on would make her perfect as another Cursed Earth Judge. Her knee pads are almost exactly like the Warlord Cursed Earth Judge, he has only his Eagle Pad, she has only her other shoulder pad, that pad is extremely similar to Meg1 Judge pads, but even more like Brit Cit shoulder pads - maybe she'd do as an exiled Brit Cit Judge in the Cal Hab highlands or something. Or if not another exiled Judge, with those pads she'd just work perfectly as a ganger or something.
(http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server5100/k2mrpdoj/products/1360/images/4286/bt6__96151.1352221794.1280.1280.jpg?c=2)
http://shop.princeaugust.ie/bt06-future-shock-girl-punk-with-uzi-machine-pistol-28mm-scale-metal-miniature/
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Err these might be the figs with robot legs fella
They both have.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Skitarii-Rangers
"Mindful of the harsh terrain of Mars, their legs have been removed from the knees down, with bionic replacements lending each model an air of cold, cybernetic augmentation"
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It is what they did with the amputated limbs that worries me.
Martian barbecue, anyone...?
;D
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It is what they did with the amputated limbs that worries me.
Martian barbecue, anyone...?
;D
That Soylent Green doesn't come cheap.
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:-P
I have found some Citadel stuff I can make work though. I don't know anything about where their range is up to and what's been and gone but I thought the Sisters of Battle were OOP, they sell like they are on ebay. But GW have some singles in stock & sets of Sisters of Battle (not all the figures on ebay but most of them) available to buy on pre-order for Christmas. Maybe they're going to periodically bring some figures back? They have what I think is the original Imperial Assassin back in production for a limited period & available to buy right now, maybe they'll bring Arbites back too and some others? (edit - though they're priced like their special and on more common figures like some arbites wouldn't be less than the originals are on ebay).
(https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/230x238/99060108111_AssassinCombiWeaponMadetoOrder01.jpg)
Regardless, now I know they scale ok from seeing the Cadian pictures I'm going to break my decades long duck with GW in a week or two & get those Imperial psykers to go with my East Meg convict troops & if I can to make it post free, will get a few Sisters of Battle & maybe a Templar Champion as the start of my psychotic Vril army (that isn't going to include Skitari & have it's poshest most sinister troops in the wrong trousers. Someone would invent robo leg hackers and it'd be chaos).
edit - yes safety boots, it wouldn't have happened to Dredd. Robo limbs on occasional figures as battle damage or whatever fine but I just don't get why they did that as part of the uniform, the figures are beautiful (despite being plastic) and you could see them working in loads of genres, then the robo-legs just for the sake of being dramatic & extreme and they're totally limited.
It's actually hard to tell at first from the larger group photo and almost impossible to see it on riders on the walkers, I didn't notice at first but this smaller group shows it clearly. And it seems to suggest they are short below the knee, or their knee cap is too low. If not for those legs, if they'd have had knee boots like glam sci-troops should (and assuming the leg proportions were ok), certainly within a few months & before they were OOP I'd have bought those troops and the walker brigade, and been looking to spend more on a not OTT command group in metal. (edit - actually no the walkers would be out too, I thought they looked great cuz one has a spike on helmet again referencing Imperial German / Reich but also like late Victorian or Natal Mounted Police so Judges too, but they have a person embedded in the walker. Don't have time for limitless fantasy. I guess that is where green stuff comes in).
(https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120116002_SkitariiVanguard02.jpg)
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Just in case I prompted anyone to think about getting one, that GW Black Templars Champion I mentioned was on their site turns out to be resin, which I think is right for paint & display but not for gaming miniatures, apart from them being fragile imo they feel too light and like toys, there's proper old metal ones of them on ebay for similar money.
And I found this guy on ebay, a Ruskie (possibly associated with Pegasus) selling off the last of their chem plant sprues for reasonable money. 4 sprues make the set (though you need some platformer stuff too for the walkways), Urban War website still have some old Pegasus hexagon sets (similar to platformer) in stock (though not necessarily for long as that's OOP too). Seemed worth mentioning as there's something like 40 people watching much more expensive part sprues being sold off (and they've sold loads), I guess people in the hobby and maybe some here.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141946319870?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
if you buy multiple sprues like 4 for the set, you'd need to ask him to declare it as a gift and as less than £14 value or it would attract duty making it expensive. I get the impression if you wanted to buy more than 1 (you need 2 to make a short big diameter tank, 4 for a long one), it's worth asking for a quote it looks like he'd give discount. I think chemical plants are definitely on topic for Dredd :-)
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btw - this may look like a daft question but I have zero experience with model plastics (other than airfix toy soldiers as a child) & don't know what the issues are with miniature plastics - is it reasonable to pin & merge plastic & metal figures? I have spare lead figures that I got inexpensively enough that I could butcher them for their boots and pin them onto those GW Skitari to replace their Wallace & Gromit wrong trousers, and the lead feet would give them some weight so they wouldn't feel so plastic. I realise they have plastic arms & accessories for some leads so there's some merging as standard anyway but not necessarily major weight bearing / structural / integral parts - do people merge plastic and lead figures (for gaming not just delicate display). And would it all carry paint in the same way (because I know from cars as a general thing mixed panels / different materials look different with paint and mixed panels can stand out).
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Thank you, that's a plan then. They're the best thing I've seen Citadel do since I quit them if I can just fix their legs :-)
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I've had photobucket problems, but here is a piccie of a few different figures.
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh627/steders2003/IMG_1253_zpsowynufuv.jpg) (http://s1255.photobucket.com/user/steders2003/media/IMG_1253_zpsowynufuv.jpg.html)
L-R Citadel lawmaster, GW RT pirate, Copplestone, Mongoose, Foundry, GW Guard, Mongoose Mutant
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Excellent thank you, that helps a lot.
I think I've finally got my head around scale with Warlord Dredd. It's 28mm heroic in terms of height, but in general the range is vampy so it's slim. Old Citadel figures that are shorter are slightly more chunky for their height (in terms of having bigger upper halves than bottom, heads too big for legs when you study them but looking down at them on the table at any distance they look right), so although shorter, their heads and hands tend to be the right size to match Warlord Dredd. Then they're helped by the fact many of the 80's / early 90's Citadel poses are slightly crouched / bow legged (it gives them a sense of action and life cuz it makes them look like they have sprung energy like they're about to do something). When you put Warlord Dredd and mid 80's to early 90's Citadel beside one another and study them closely, the Citadel is too short. But if you set a few figures up like in a diorama / game snap shot they look perfectly fine together cuz the heads and hands carry the Citadel and the slightly crouched / bowed poses helps cover it all up too.
So imo for gaming, a lot (not all, like Citadels first Dredd that was very small) mid/ late 80's to early 90's Citadel and Warlord do work together. Scotia Grendel are a similar thing, slightly shorter than Warlord Dredd but chunkier so heads and hands almost exactly the same and it carries them perfectly. It seems any heroic 28mm that's slightly chunky (like most things are) fits, and 30 / 32mm fits too if it's slim. Rather than height, it's really down to size of heads.
However, I suspect if you've got a lot of Wargames Foundry Dredd mixed in with Warlord that would screw it, as Foundry Dredd are same height as Warlord or even slightly taller, but critically have the same kind of chunkiness ratio as Citadel, Warlord gets away with it because the heights are similar, but they could potentially blow Citadel out as being obviously too small in every way. So it may be you can mix Warlord Dredd and old Citadel, or you can mix Warlord Dredd and Foundry, but not necessarily a lot of all 3 together. I shall try though, Foundry have some great Judges and the robots at least will scale ok, but if I'm forced to decide on a mix, I'll go old Citadel and Warlord rather than Foundry & Warlord, out of sentimental attachment to the old Citadel figures, but also because I think there's more opportunity in the old Citadel range it was vast. And also, a lot more other manufacturers figures will fit in with that mix, with Warlord at one extreme and Citadel the other, Blind Beggar Miniatures, Scotia Grendel, ERM etc fall within (which is essential for me as they offer such useful support troops and communities).
edit - though your Foundry guy actually looks ok alongside old Citadel in your pic, the old Citadel heads & hands are so oversized they still seem to work in the mix, if you fiddle the taller heights with thinner bases :-)
It leaves me with one last question on scale. I've recovered a bit of my old gaming collection and have discovered I have a load of original metal & plastic womble marines. I shall paint them up as 4th Reich Vril Cit soldiers for my Hitler Bot project, I love womble marines and even the plastic ones have charm compared to the new stuff. But Citadel still make a few womble marines, like this jump pack guy out of their Deathwatch Overkill set. Are their new figures considerably bigger than their previous ones, I'd expect they would be but then the Imperial Guard don't seem to have got much if any bigger so not sure.
(https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/60010699004_DeathWatchEdrycSetorax360.jpg)
Would that make earlier GW womble marines look too small or would they match roughly ok?
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The RTB01 plastics look pretty small next to modern marines because of the crouching, legs splayed stance. The proportions are slightly bigger in terms of body part length in the modern minis but the change to more upright and action poses makes a bigger difference. The latest Deathwatch are even more upright with legs almost together.
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Excellent thank you. And those original plastic womble Marines are bigger / taller than their metal equivalents (though you can't really tell in-game as the plastics are crouching, but side by side the old standing straight metal marines are same height as old crouching plastics). It means the new more upright bigger Marines are going to look even more out of scale with the old metal ones with them all standing straight.
Oh well, now I've taken on the idea of using Space Marines in Dredd (and them not being too military or OTT cuz they're from Hitler-Bots Vril Cit that's psychotic & militaristic anyway), there's plenty of variation in the old Marines, their size & nubbly paldrons match those old Citadel East Meg Inquisitors from Foundry (and the nubbly knees of Rebel Mini's EF Widowmakers that are holo suits), and at least I know all the figures that will ever be available, it seems I already have most & can just get on with it. GW can (continue to) alienate themselves from me, rather than me follow them & ending up alienated from all their early 90's (and earlier) stuff that I love and other manufacturers new stuff which can be great :-)
(edit - I'm going to strip them completely down though and as much as I can fill them & their bases with milliput or something heavy to give them some weight, every time I pick one up & it's so light I get a flashback of airfix plastic toy soldiers, cheap toys or 70's & 80's family boardgames, breaks the immersion. Not against plastic or resin figures for paint & display, bought some recently for that exact purpose, personally to me it just feels wrong for gaming figures).
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An Ape. They have a whole gang of space apes, but the rest seem to have wing's, or gliding membranes?
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0371/5545/products/SUX001_large.png?v=1470147733)
http://www.alternative-armies.com/products/sux001-ape-leader
And Moonraker Miniatures (EM4) are casting old Spacelords range, don't know if they scale but I appear to have an old Phagon walker and that looks promising. They have sci-fi citizens and Yoyodyne Shigaru that could work as Japanese Hondo Citi-Def (if they scale of course).
(http://moonrakerminiatures.com/images/3706t.jpg)
(http://moonrakerminiatures.com/images/3130t.jpg)
And non Japanese version for normal Citi-Def
(http://moonrakerminiatures.com/images/3032t.jpg)
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Thank you, that's a plan then. They're the best thing I've seen Citadel do since I quit them if I can just fix their legs :-)
I honestly think you are making a bit of a mountain out of a molehill. I have the skitarri and they look fantastic. You don't notice the legs at all
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I would notice because it's skirmish wargaming with maybe only maximum 50 a side, that one large dramatically styled unit would stand out. And anyway I mainline into figures I'd definitely notice, they'd always 'feel' wrong in my thinking. I may still get them and try to make them work though as they are beautiful up to a point, but they would have to work, for me rather than GW. If the figures weren't so much about aesthetic it wouldn't matter but all figures are to an extent and they are in particular, they're all about their style, very showy.
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The whole Mechanicus range would fit into Dredd as a Cursed Earth Robot Empire. If you ignore the fact you know the Skitarii are human from 40k they're great robots and can ignore the thin legs. The actual big Mechanicus robots are ideal ABC Warrior types.
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Rebellion have just announced that Warlord now have the license
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Looks like Warlord have taken on the Dredd licence, with options for other 2000AD characters as well:
https://www.2000adonline.com/post/1183 (https://www.2000adonline.com/post/1183)
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Looks like Warlord have taken on the Dredd licence, with options for other 2000AD characters as well:
https://www.2000adonline.com/post/1183 (https://www.2000adonline.com/post/1183)
The styles might differ a but pretty cool that you'll be able to pick up bargain figs from Mongoose to use in the Warlord game. Warlord will proably do right by the rules and support it, but they're not exactly known for bargain minis in their non-historical games.
Obviously a good thing for folks who bought-in big with the Mongoose stuff, but also good news for newcomers wanting to save a few bucks as they buy-into the Warlord game. I'll be very curious to see how the Warlord games options compare.
Anyone know of any other situations where one miniature company looses a popular license and it is immediately snapped up by another?
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I want to feel happy that it's going to get support.
I can't help feeling a degree of forboding as Warlord like their big 32mm miniatures, 'to really show the detail', which won't be really compatible with previous ranges.
But the way they've described their Dr Who game, an adventure mode and a battle/skirmish mode makes me happy again as that would work very well with a lot of 2000AD characters.
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Looks like Strotium Dog will be the first game from Warlord with others too.I love that they will be doing Slaine too.
I think that Warlords scale will be close to the Mongoose figures.Good sculpting too i would think.
It makes me wonder if Warlord will have the Mongoose figures in there new range or start from scratch?
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I am delighted at this news. Not only will the Judge Dredd range continue but so many other 2000AD characters will be immortalised in miniature. Somehow it seems fitting that Warlord Games has renewed the JD licence and expanded it.
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woot!
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The thread reads renaming :D
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Probably the very best end this could have had, as long as the scale matches this will just give us a load of new figures to augment the previous range, and if anything, it will maintain the relevance and so value of the previous range, like Mongoose / Warlord Dredd helped to drive demand and keep prices good for the old Citadel Dredd stuff. Though scale could be an issue, their Konflikt 47 stuff is true 28mm & definitely too small to match.
I'd be surprised if they didn't take on some of the Judge figures from the range, eg the Judges in the Heroes box set really are properly excellent. But then on the other hand I would be surprised, as almost all the Judges have already been sold to the core enthusiasts, a different set would sell much better.
Maybe the big question is over the ABC Warriors. They were excellent, except Hammerstein who was still good but had a bit of a building issue in his chest not completely fitting with the lower body (the lights on his hips hit his bandelier), but what about Mongrel, the only one anyone's ever made? That was a superb figure and there's obviously demand.
And also, I wonder if the fact Warlord are going more 2000AD than just Dredd means they're going to be taking on Rogue Trooper too.
Overall great news, and it comes just as I finally solve the last of my proxy problems (which I'll explain later as may help others).
edit - re vampifan I agree it seems fitting it's Warlord, I had a chat with them a while back and apparently they're named Warlord after the comic, into Brit comics they considered they were Dredd's natural home (and that shines thrown all their press releases, they're obviously enthusiasts too). Though I still think Mongoose were right for it, at least up to a certain point, they were proper enthusiasts who overall gave us a lot of really decent opportunity.
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The licence is for the whole history of 200AD, from 1977 up to now, all the stories, plus, Rebellion also produce the Dredd 2012 stories, which are partially accepted as 'proper' Dredd.
Karl and Olivia anyone?
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I know on this thread there's someone whose project is primarily Brit-Cit, they PM'd we and we chatted about it but I didn't keep the PM and now can't find their post in this massive thread. I've found some old OOP figures from a quality range in stock at the caster with a whole load of figures that would work for Cal-Hab highland renegades and depending on taste maybe Brit-Cit citi-def. If they post on thread again or PM me I'll PM them the lead (rather than just post it here as there's limited stock and for all I know it might be sought after stuff & so underpriced and get grabbed).
Re Warlord, fingers crossed they'll do a few in the uniform of the last Dredd film, I prefer the original style but figures in the new one would be fun and useful, and I suspect that more current style would have a lot more appeal in America and help it all work, maybe break it through a bit.
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I like the Foundry range (and if Warlord getting DW is anything to go by, get them now while you can).
I was disappointed the Mongoose range was ended (and damn being to poor to pick up all I wanted at the time).
A year or so ago this would have been of interest to me, but having seen the awfulness of the Doctor Who range they've bought out I'm not so sure now.
Will keep an eye but, but if they use the same sculptor(s) as they have for Doctor Who... will be just no.
Might end up scouring eBay for Mongoose and Foundry figures.
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Some how I felt that Warlord may step up...thanks to this thread and the thought that the range maybe lost it's giving me back a kickstart to my Brit Cit ideas using whatever I can get or already have around.
I've just bought a bike and rider from Scotia Grendel and a couple of bits from Prince August a "power lifter" and a police bike with rider..no idea how they will fit into the various bits and pieces that I have.
I just hope that Warlord has enough already in the pipeline to show us a few tasters.
Cal-Hab Ulfhednar tell me more :)
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This is officially A Good Thing
The whole history of 2000AD is now open to us....
Harlem Heroes!
Ace Trucking Co!
Meltdown Man!
even Death Planet!
Ooh, ooh! What about Metalzoic! That was mental!
Personally, I'd be happy with some more Hondo and Brit-Cit Judges, and maybe some Pan-Africans as well. And a proper Devlin Waugh so I don't have to cock up making one myself.
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One other neat thing to remember is that the figs from Rebel Minis are probably going to be exclusively figures that are not major trademarked charachters from the series. These are the very figs that Warlord is probably going to take longest to produce as it will probably start the line with more high-profile subject matter.
Should be great for fans that some of the less-common types will be available right from the start, albeit from different manufacturers.
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I like the Foundry range (and if Warlord getting DW is anything to go by, get them now while you can).
I was disappointed the Mongoose range was ended (and damn being to poor to pick up all I wanted at the time).
A year or so ago this would have been of interest to me, but having seen the awfulness of the Doctor Who range they've bought out I'm not so sure now.
Will keep an eye but, but if they use the same sculptor(s) as they have for Doctor Who... will be just no.
Might end up scouring eBay for Mongoose and Foundry figures.
Don't yet, the sharks have moved in on ebay and are now selling this stuff (BNIB that they grabbed during the fire-sales) off for properly inflated prices, I grabbed loads during the fire sales (I started behind but caught up & ended up being in the right place at the right time), but not to profit off fellow enthusiasts but simply to get what I needed, and while doing that, there were bargains cropping up I didn't need but too good not to get, I'll be passing them on in the Bazaar, I may look to make a tiny bit here or there but only to cover other places I took hits (some of the stock were bargains, other bits weren't), but it will all equal out and will definitely be meaningfully less than it was retail, so good bargains.
I don't have huge amounts of stuff or spare of all the stuff but hopefully bits that will fix a few peoples needs. I would have listed it all already but until yesterday wasn't exactly sure what I'd need cuz I was still looking for proxies and considering more conversions, but I'm sorted now so know what I can pass on, will list in within the next week. If there's a particular figure or few figures you are desperate for PM me ahead. Unfortunately though I don't have any spare East Meg reinforcements, mini-bots, or ABC's warriors.
Also don't forget Rebel Mini's in America have the moulds for and will be selling the Cit-Def and Cultists box sets, it seems they may have a few more of the range to release, possibly everything short of the heavily licence-identified stuff like Judges & ABC's.
edit - re ebay that's not to criticise those expensive sellers who are higher than retail (I've bought the odd long OOP figure off them and glad they exist, they provide a service) and definitely not criticising players selling theirs on at retail (or slightly more to cover the ebay fees), it's all rightly so cuz this stuff is now OOP and potentially rare, just re the very expensive sellers hopefully it's not necessary for a bit & while stock is still cycling in enthusiast sites like this.
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So much good stuff in that comic for gaming.
Frankly speaking though I am somewhat disappointed if the entire range of 2000ad stories are available why people are not demanding a Nemesis miniatures game be done. (which also gets me thinking I should drop off my Nemesis collection with Nic as hawkmoon is very similar with its techno fantasy vibe to Nemesis. Might give the sculptors some interesting ideas.)
BE PURE
BE VIGILANT
BEHAVE!
what's not to like.
Yes, most definitely this! I was thinking of this when I read "entire range".
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(http://www.warlordgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/2000-AD-800-x800.png)
Warlord Games obtain 2000 AD miniatures licence.
Warlord Games is to produce a new line of miniatures and games based on the legendary British comic book, 2000 AD!
http://www.warlordgames.com/warlord-games-obtain-2000-ad-miniatures-licence/?utm_source=Warlord+Games+Newsletter&utm_campaign=1aae0132e0-Warlord_Games_Wednesday_Newsletter_14th+Dec_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b7e928b4ed-1aae0132e0-132743957&mc_cid=1aae0132e0&mc_eid=4e56b04fde
For the Warlord announcement, might not add much more info but still, for completion.
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The possibilities.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/twrchtrwyth/Cefndir%202000AD/Nemesis%20the%20Warlock/Lluniau%20Ymherodraeth%20Termite/6902e289ee528c129f4765df702c79a6_zps3kxnbtqk.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/twrchtrwyth/media/Cefndir%202000AD/Nemesis%20the%20Warlock/Lluniau%20Ymherodraeth%20Termite/6902e289ee528c129f4765df702c79a6_zps3kxnbtqk.jpg.html)
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The Nemesis strip where the Termites lay siege to the giant tree always made me think of adeptus titanicus. Probably something to do with all the siege robots
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I concur with the common sentiment that Warlord picking up the 2000AD licence is a good thing.
I see that some of the old articles from Mongoose (Oz judges, Shamed judges, dinosaurs & etc) are now available for (free) downloading on the Warlord site.
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I read a Rick Priestly article somewhere, in which he said Nemesis was one of the main inspirations for 40K.
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I read a Rick Priestly article somewhere, in which he said Nemesis was one of the main inspirations for 40K.
The stuff in that picture and all the names used are now copyright GW. ;)
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Just a head's up as Mongrel seems to be in demand:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Judge-Dredd-ABC-Warriors-Mongrel-Very-Rare-OOP-FREE-Stan-Lee-Fergee-/252683285652?hash=item3ad518f494:g:Q24AAOSw5cNYUr29
Not me selling and no recommendation but I've bought one. Some other stuff as well in their other auctions.
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I think their renaming of armies and units has proven that actually, they had no actual ability to copyright a number of things.
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This is officially A Good Thing
The whole history of 2000AD is now open to us....
Harlem Heroes!
Ace Trucking Co!
Meltdown Man!
even Death Planet!
Ooh, ooh! What about Metalzoic! That was mental.
Armoured Gideon. :-*
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Going off on a tangent, kind of. Has anyone thought of police units for Dredd? You see them crop up, maybe just in the earlier stories more than the later ones but there definitely seems to be a police force seperate from the Judges, who work with them and patrol independently. I was thinking Citi-Def could be used to represent them in terms of stats, but with better vehicles.
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I have quite a sizeable collection of Mongoose stuff from when Mongoose folded all its miniatures activities some years ago (and the game was called Gangs of Mega City One), when I bought almost am complete set of the range as it was back then, so I am not going to actually need more Dredd stuff for a long time being, but I am quite curious where this Warlord thing is going, though.
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I do wonder about Warlord's angle on this. The Dredd market is flooded currently so odds are a new range would not hold much appeal to existing gamers and could it really stimulate enough newcomers to justify it? How long would it be before Rebellion expect to see the IP in production.
Anyone here fancy cashing in their collections and buying the same things again new?
While the non-Dredd 2000AD cast are not nearly so well known and have much less pull on their own to support extensive ranges, especially if there is no "game" to go with them. So do we get a Rogue Trooper or Bad Company re-skin of Bolt Action,
Where is the outlet for solo characters like Halo Jones or small teams like Robo Hunter or Strontium Dog (although maybe if Warlord pick up Rogue Stars like they have Frostgrave maybe there is a figure line there)
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You say a Bad Kompany reskin of Bolt Action as though that were a bad thing. I'd play the hell out of that.
Then give me a prison break skirmish for Harry 20 On The High Rock and I'll die a happy man.
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I do wonder about Warlord's angle on this. The Dredd market is flooded currently so odds are a new range would not hold much appeal to existing gamers and could it really stimulate enough newcomers to justify it? How long would it be before Rebellion expect to see the IP in production.
Anyone here fancy cashing in their collections and buying the same things again new?
While the non-Dredd 2000AD cast are not nearly so well known and have much less pull on their own to support extensive ranges, especially if there is no "game" to go with them. So do we get a Rogue Trooper or Bad Company re-skin of Bolt Action,
Where is the outlet for solo characters like Halo Jones or small teams like Robo Hunter or Strontium Dog (although maybe if Warlord pick up Rogue Stars like they have Frostgrave maybe there is a figure line there)
Have to say I think this is wide of the mark.
Firstly, this range has taken so long to be put out that even those that backed it to the hilt haven't had everything yet. Secondly, the range as a whole wasn't great, and I don't think the rules appealed to the general market.
As a result, I never bought into the range further than the entry judge pledge that I never added to due the fact that so much of what was promised had no suggestion of what it would look like. One of the reasons I still refuse to back Kickstarters now.
I think with the right approach there is very much a market to be exploited out there. Sculpting on par with their better GoA sculpts and I would expect to see this sell well. Especially if they can make some sort of reasonably priced starter boxed game. Perhaps something a little bit like Deadzone maybe?
You have Rogue Trooper too.
The biggest point of interest for me is that it would seem that Warlord may yet hold onto some of the range from mongoose.
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No time, in a rush like the white rabbit, but I don't think kickstarter is the right mechanism for something as already big / well known as Dredd, it makes it too exclusive / niche, by the time the general public see it it's already too much to get on board with, the scale (and associated expense of really giving it a go) is off-putting when presented with it all at the start rather than encouraging, so it puts newbies off and and also I think it must end up exhausting the enthusiasts. Imo (with limited knowledge & experience, just an objective observation) Kickstarters are for drilling into enthusiasts, Dredd doesn't need a niche market drilling it needs breaking out, going wide and making mainstream, hopefully Warlord and Rebellion see that and will take it there. Wargaming for Dredd (which has never been really viable even with the Mongoose range as while everything was covered there was no depth, not enough variation, East Meg & Cit-Def needed unit builders), Nemesis (cashing in on the whole 40k thing, or rather taking it back off GW who pinched it), loads of wacky robots (prices of old paranoia ones on ebay are insane), Rogue Trooper wargaming (effectively sci-fi WW1), and the new Dredd style off the Carl Urban film to exploit the cult status that gritty modern style has achieved in America. Loads and loads of potential. And if that's how they go then it's great for those with the Mongoose figures (in the traditional comic style) because that style could get moved on from, but the new stuff will keep it relevant and it will hold it's value or only increase :-)
edit - re the scale of what kickstarter landed was too big for general public & off-putting - I'm comparing it to Warlord's Project Z, that has started out small with a starter set offered to the public, and then new releases added as & when, including scenery (and if they have any sense, on a schedule of releases that help people budget and keep it affordable, or at least giving the perception that it is). It's treating the General Public as though they're kickstarters, they can get on board with it at ground zero, feel part of it rather than just a commercial passenger buying in, and grow with the game / miniature range as it does, over time, released in drips and buying hand to mouth, they'll not know how much they're getting into and not notice who much they've spent as they go along.
edit - and Rebellion / 2000AD cud help loads. I'd guess Apocalypse War is the most compelling stroy line from the comic to wargame Dredd (maybe alongside block wars). There's the potential to exploit already (with unit builders etc) but it's old, there isn't even a USSR anymore that could evolve into a Soviet East Meg. 2000AD should develop a new war type story series in the comic / Dredd, a Confederate free state in the badlands or internal uprising challenging Meg 1, Vril Cit, etc etc, and it would be worth their while, I think the miniatures / games could bolster the platform of interest they need to get the funding for another film. They need a properly cohesive strategy to (finally) take Dredd big time, they should see the miniatures (and comic) as a vehicle for that rather than just as money making enterprises on the side.
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Honestly - from what I have seen, the two main issues with the Mongoose KS if you can call them that were, 1) speed of production process, 2) consistency of quality of the product.
As Matt has already said, they were never going to be huge miniature manufacturers and my belief is they went too big too soon. This meant that money was harder pushed and product was released at a slower rate, and therefore failed to feed the initial impetus gained from the marketing and 'buzz' that a KS gives you and your product. It never progressed really. I also think that some pieces heavily outweighed others in terms of quality of sculpt which meant the range was inconsistent.
My view on all KS's is the same now. If they are offering you the world, and they are not someone that has already delivered before to a similar degree, I'm not backing it. Too many companies try to bite off more than they can chew.
Warlord already have the advantage of having been a miniature driven company for a number of years now - that's their focus. They churn out miniatures frequently and have established a working relationship with Wargames Factory who make the plastic Project Z stuff (which existed prior to that relationship).
Warlord have the ability to do either or in terms of a KS or the traditional method although the GoA KS was ambitious and didn't quite get the result they desired.
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Yes I agree that's a big part of it very succinctly, the Dredd kickstarter was just too big / expansive. And from the point of view of a non kickstarter and late comer, a range so big it was off-putting getting involved once it had landed (and a bit too enthusiast focused, without knowing the game at all or Dredd in great deal I didn't know where & how much I should get on board, whereas with things like Crooked Dice or Project Z it's obvious). But then by being that it was maybe right for enthusiasts, they got more in the range for it. Maybe it was just an enthusiast thing with the commercial / mass market as it's vehicle, rather than the other way around which is probably good. It did feel / look old school, I think it's only benefited the Dredd brand the styling was so right I do think it was something special. It was effectively same on the Mongoose Paranoia stuff and that's worth loads now, it's not a fad it won't ever look wrong.
I agree having seen it all the quality was inconsistent, but imo only really in terms of a few scale issues that undermined otherwise exceptionally good figures. But it's a strange thing, they all work together, I guess it's that style thing (no comment on sculpting of the resin vehicles as I don't personally know). I don't think it was a wasted exercise at all though, I think it's almost fully explored the comic version of Dredd (short of just a few unit builder box sets like Citi-Def, East Meg, zombies in proper numbers), I think there's bigger opportunities in what seems to be the licence for a manufacturer than revisiting most of those characters / types, so the range is of real value (for Warlord to keep selling it or if not, as OOP to collectors). It would be great if they did put some or all back into production, even better if they added / replaced a few figures to make more of it all, but I think commercially for Rebellion, they should go with the styling in the recent film version of Dredd & a focused narrow game with dark atmosphere (like Project Z seems), I think the fact that last Dredd film (imo) got the atmosphere & tone so right demonstrates the World (America) has finally caught up with and is ready for Dredd, they should go with it, dark, gritty, cynical and real.
Back on track, I got some Warmaster Cygnar Black 13th Strike Force. They are like statues, taller than Warlord Dredd and thinner, trying far too hard to be attractive (though that worked I bought them) so although great in photo's in real life they seem false, despite I guess being 'true form' (so I'm returning them, even at cost of paying the postage to). A bit like (imo) modern Infinity (that I do think is a fashion / fad style).
(http://cdn.miniaturemarket.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/i/pip31130_3.jpg)
And I fixed my near miss with plastic robo legged Skitari, by falling for some Sisters of Battle. It's that helmet, like the original Citadel FA10 Adventurer, I guess like Dredd. They'll do for the Vatican Judge, Vril Cit, and as Citi-Def for a psychotic Convent Block, they've even got a zombie-robot, and GW have put it (it seems maybe only temporarily) back on sale, so not mental ebay money.
(https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99110108053_PenitentEngineNEW02.jpg)
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Might be of interest I think Rebel minis have picked up some of Mongooses metal Dredd miniatures and re-named them
http://www.rebelminis.com/puhucu.html (http://www.rebelminis.com/puhucu.html)
http://www.rebelminis.com/eafomi1.html (http://www.rebelminis.com/eafomi1.html)
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Missed this first time it was mentioned here did you? ;)
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Armoured Gideon. :-*
Someone else who remembers this story ... yay.
Some of the cygnar steam powered robots from Warmachine sort of resemble Gideon.