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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: elysium64 on 25 May 2012, 10:34:46 PM
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Saw this on Frothers very tempted by the $80.00/$100.00 deals
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/sedition-wars-battle-for-alabaster
Fully backed in one day!!!!!!!!!
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does the 80 doller one come with the special limited edition resin version of Kara? lol
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I see he's got into bed with CMON on this, I suppose that means that the figs will be produced in the same plastic they've chosen for Zombiecide (i.e. not as hard as your standard on the sprue figure), unless anyones heard any different???
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I see he's got into bed with CMON on this, I suppose that means that the figs will be produced in the same plastic they've chosen for Zombiecide (i.e. not as hard as your standard on the sprue figure), unless anyones heard any different???
McVey has stated they'll be done in the same plastic as the Warmachine figures are made in. I've got plenty of those and it's absolutely fine.
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They're probably the same type of plastic Fantasy Flight uses for their board games. It's softer than styrene model kits, but not nearly so bad as the "bendy" plastic. Check out the Gears of War boardgame figs, they have some absolutely fantastic detail (better than many metal models I've painted) and they paint up extremely well.
I can't wait to see what kind of stretch goals are introduced, they've almost hit the first stretch in 1 day. I barely passed on zombiecide. I have no interest in zombies, but the gameplay looked very good and the amount of stuff you got was incredible. This setting is right up my alley and I'm already sold on it, so everything from here on out will just be additional awesomeness.
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Shame that as it's a uk studio, we're having to pay international shipping? Assume it's being pulled together in the US, if not then that's not a good use of time/money to double handle project back across the atlantic.
Will give this some thought, like the strain Idea, very flood-ish though...
The Commander
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I went for zombicide in the end due to the enormous pile of stuff that came with it. If this goes the same way then I'll be dropping cash on it as well I expect, although I'll have to sell something in order to do so...
The only issue I have is that the basic vanguard trooper is the same pose and you get 12 of them. I really would have expected 2 poses for that figure. That said, the 1st stretch goal is to have alternate female sculpts so it still may happen. I can't tell whether the female sculpt is a basic trooper or the lancer though. I hope it's an alternate trooper pose but expect it'll just be a slight tweak to one of the lancer figures.
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Shame that as it's a uk studio, we're having to pay international shipping? Assume it's being pulled together in the US, if not then that's not a good use of time/money to double handle project back across the atlantic.
Annoying isn't it? But then zombicide was done by a french studio and had the same thing.
CMoN are the people handling all the production, distribution etc and they are a US company. So yeah, everything is being done in the US which means that even though the McVey 'studio' is less than an hour from me, the game is coming from the States, probably after being printed in China.
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True, I was going to contact the studio, pledge my cash but ask for them to ship it from Sheffield? ;)
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The only issue I have is that the basic vanguard trooper is the same pose and you get 12 of them. I really would have expected 2 poses for that figure. That said, the 1st stretch goal is to have alternate female sculpts so it still may happen. I can't tell whether the female sculpt is a basic trooper or the lancer though. I hope it's an alternate trooper pose but expect it'll just be a slight tweak to one of the lancer figures.
Well the stretch goal has now been met and Mike has some blurb up about the alternates. The 60k goal nets an additional 12 figs o that would be a cracking one to hit!
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Yep, it's a good start. Hopefully it'll end up with similar figure levels to Zombicide, Vanguard army in a box :)
Doesn't answer my question on the alt figures from the first stretch but looking at that squad pic, I think it is just an alt lancer. So you'll get 2 lancers in the box, one without helmet and one with.
Edit: Actually, looking at it again and given the different named troop types are named after their weapon load out, it looks like they are alt basic troops which is a good thing.
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well, the new 60k stretch goal is already 12 more vanguard figs so I'm pretty sure you'll be getting that full army by the time it's done. Personally I'm hoping they add a 3rd faction to it rather than give me more vanguards, but I'm sure at least they'll probably make more alternates and maybe some new figs just for the new stretch goals that they're almost assured to hit. I'm definitely in. Hell, actually I was in just for the base game and would have been perfectly content to have just that, all these bonuses are making me giddy.
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Extremely unlikely to add a third faction due to tooling and game setup/design. I expect there will be a bunch of extra Strain and Vanguard but again I wouldn't expect too many alt sculpts making it into the box. Might get the offer of extra unique figs outside of the box contents though.
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I hate to pay $80 to $100 but that does look like a nice set of tiles and plastics to play with. It's at least as nice as Earth Reborn as a set, and quite a bit nicer than AT-43 was (even if it did come with barricades and cargo containers. And you get WAY more guys. It has nice tiles that look like they could support a Necromunda style game.
I think I'd also like to get the Gears of War boardgame too since I missed out on getting Doom. (I didn't think it would be a limited time game) and ti's more of a techno dungeon crawl thing.
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I'm in for a copy of the game. Great figs.
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Done deal! ;)
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oh, I'd be surprised if a 3rd faction made it into the actual retail box, but the video already talks about a 3rd faction down the pipe and the amount of money this KS is already bringing in will certainly speed that along. I'm hoping they start work on that 3rd faction instead of making more alt scuplts and make those models the bonuses for the future KS stretch goals that this project will inevitably hit. If this works out anything like the Zombiecide KS (and it's looking to do just that) then there's gonna be a crapload of extra stuff included for the backers that won't make it in the retail release, and I'm just hoping that those extras are a 3rd faction instead of just more figs for the 2 base factions. That said, I'd be absolutely content with just more figs and more alt scuplts.
In addition to the mention of a 3rd faction in the original video, Mike McVey is on the Dakkadakka thread (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/451585.page (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/451585.page) and has already mentioned an expansion. No details at all, he just mentioned that expansions are already being thought about and that there is the possibility of eventually turning it into a full skirmish game, not just a board game. Even if they don't, I LOVE all these hybrid games that have been becoming more and more prevelant last few years, the ones that are packaged like a board game but include minis and play like a minis game.
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The question i have is scale on the figs. I didn't see it answered so if it was slap me silly and point it out please. :-)
Loved the AT-43 figs, but they were scaled too big to use with any current lines. Here's to hoping the Sedition figs are more "appropriate" to scale. :-)
Grimm
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Can't find a direct comparison but the figures have been around for awhile so I'm sure they're out there. Stole a couple of pics from Dwartist's blog, I'm sure he won't mind :D They don't show the figs next to each other but they are next to the same vehicle so show the scale rather well.
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p97/dwartist/6x6comparisons004.jpg)
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p97/dwartist/6x6comparisons005.jpg)
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I'm thinking about doing the $190.
That'd be 2 drone tanks + 42 troops + 2 resin whatchawhosits + 56 wretched blighted mutants a spare set of any important stuff that I might lose, and one Vanguard patch for each of the butt cheeks of my favorite pair of shorts. And if the stretch goal hits 60,000 which it is close to then I'll get another 12 or 24 (I'm not sure which) soldiers.
And 2 of those prints too.
That ain't bad for $200. And it might even get better. Y'know, dice, posters, more figs, a measuring tape, some cheese in a can...who knows?
As a bonus, I can lend my spare rule book out to people I'm trying to get interested in the game, so they can roll their eyes and look on me with pity and try to get me to play Call of Duty MW3 with them so I can get re-socialized into a proper gentleman with dry socks and nice part in his hair.
EDIT: They just made the$60,000 stretch goal. So the 12 extra troopers for the Biohazard and above is in effect. No new stretch goals just yet. I hope it's more figures and tiles and stuff, not t-shirts, plastic Vanguiard ID cards/dog tags, illustrated short story collections, stickers, or other ancillary nik-naks. Gimme more cool stuff I can play with! Yee haw!
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I LOVE all these hybrid games that have been becoming more and more prevelant last few years, the ones that are packaged like a board game but include minis and play like a minis game
I OTOH am not as enamoured with them. I'm not convinced they "play like a minis game" on the whole - but perhaps this one will.
Might be good enough value to get the box for the sheer number of troopers tho. Not sure what to do with the Strain minis however, and in case would rather prefer to buy the Vanguard the "old-fashioned" way - that is, as miniatures and not as a part of big set that contains loads of stuff I won't be using.
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Played a demo of the game at Kublacon, Once I get my pay check I am going to toss some money Mr McVeys direction. :D
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The question i have is scale on the figs. I didn't see it answered so if it was slap me silly and point it out please
Here's one I took personally - no Vanguard figs there tho but one assumes they are to scale with Firebrands and one also likes to suppose the minis in the box will be the same scale as the ones already out:
http://heros.netai.net/pix/sw-i-sw-got-gw.jpg
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I'll get another 12 or 24 (I'm not sure which) soldiers.
You'll get 2 of any goals that get reached, so you'd get 24 extra soldiers.
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bit of a shame its shipped from the US, i can see customs stinging us on this in the UK !!
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Surely somebody is willing to stock it in UK so you won't personally be stung by the customs ;)
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Surely somebody is willing to stock it in UK so you won't personally be stung by the customs ;)
Well as Studio McVey will be stocking it, that's what i reckon would be the best bet.
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Surely somebody is willing to stock it in UK so you won't personally be stung by the customs ;)
Fine for buying it after it's published; possibly not fine for Kickstarter subscribers, if their copies are all sent out from CoolMiniOrNot.
It's all academic to me, as I'm skint, alas, but potential EU subscribers might like to ask whether their copies could be sent out by Studio McVey. You'd still have to pay VAT, I suppose, but there wouldn't be the handling charge for customs duties.
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This is what Mike posted over on Dakka Dakka re: UK postage:
Hey Guys
Sorry I haven't specifically answered any questions on UK shipping - I haven't been ignoring them, we have just been trying to figure out what we can do about it.
I know it's a little weird that UK shipping is more for a UK designed product. Here are the facts of the matter.
The game is being manufactured in the Far East, and shipped to the US for distribution. We are looking into shipping a portion of the production run straight to the UK (time to start looking for a warehouse space, I don't think our attic studio will take it!) - but to do that we need we need to gauge what interest from the UK is like. The only way is will make sense is is we are sending a reasonable portion of the run here - if it's only a few boxes, it just won't work.
It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation. People want cheap shipping before they order, and we need enough orders for it to make sense.
Believe me - I want to have this product in the UK, so I can sell it from my store once it releases!
I'm looking into actual shipping costs today - it's going to be a large and heavy box. It's 36cm x36cm x 8cm, and will weight quite a bit.
Please bear with me and I'll get you answers asap - we are trying to get this sorted out.
mike
I've emailed him,on this so when I hear back I'll post up more info.
Cheers
The Commander
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Right then:
It would be helpful for Mike to know the number of UK pledges/pledgers at this stage so he can work out the viability of a UK shipping run.
So if you're a UK pledger could you PM me with your Kickstarter 'name' and I'll give it till the kickstarter runs out then let Mike know numbers for good old blighty.
Cheers
The Commander
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Same name but won't be pledging until some cash comes through in a week or so :)
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Also just to add, Mike is looking into the possibility of EU kickstarters being handled from the UK, but no further info at this time.
If you're a EU pledger let me know so I can let him know European numbers too.
Cheers all
The Commander
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Is it only me who thinks that the tiles look boring and very unimaginative. Space hulk has nice tiles and didn't cost much more.
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I think they're okay, but I intend to make 3d versions anyway :)
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If you're a EU pledger let me know so I can let him know European numbers too.
I've been holding off to kickstart because of shipping costs from the US.
I eventually caved in with Zombiecide when all that extra fluff kept adding up.
Sedition Wars is still not there yet with the extras so I'm still holding off
But if knowing they'd ship the game cheaper from the UK, it would make the decision to pledge easier.
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I think they're okay, but I intend to make 3d versions anyway :)
I think they are pretty good but like Dewie I intend to make 3d versions, may start with these:
Cargo bay
(http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss355/elysium64/CargoBay_blog.jpg)
Engine control Room
(http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss355/elysium64/Engine_Control_blog-1.jpg)
Personnel Area
(http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss355/elysium64/Personnel_Area_blog-1.jpg)
Train, which you need two of
(http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss355/elysium64/11_Train_blog-1.jpg)
I will probaly start with the train as If I keep build not overly futuristic will be able to use in My STALKER project.
Commander PM'd you. Thanks for organising this.
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The game does look interesting, but I'm not convinced how different it is from Zombicide.... There's a long time between today and the close, I'd like to see what else they put up first as people add on.
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out of interest. hows he handling the shipping cost for that ? as it stands its an extra $25
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out of interest. hows he handling the shipping cost for that ? as it stands its an extra $25
That's what he's trying to work out.
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aaaaah right !!! hmm one of those nights tonight !!
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aaaaah right !!! hmm one of those nights tonight !!
Yup, if Mike can get an idea of UK and EU numbers he's looking to try to do something re: shipping this side of the pond, rather than US and the potential customs/import duties issues won't be an issue.
Again if you've pledged let me know
The Commander
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are you just active on here ? i know theres a big thread on dakka dakka Mike himself has posted in
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Yup Mike shared that with me, that's why pledge name's important too so he can see potential double counts etc.. will be posting on Frother's shortly.
The Commander
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I'm going to get the "We have Movement" $190 level for double "Biohazard". But I'm going to wait until Jun 4th so it doesn't go on this month's credit card bill.
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Well I just backed.
Apparently the full charge doesn't happen until it funds on Jun 30, even though it has already funded.
There's another fun looking Cthulhu-esque send up of Monopoly called "The Doom that Came to Atlantic City". Reminds me of the old Illuminati card game. it has seven days left. I doubt I'll fund it, because it has already funded, but I'll probably buy it if Miniature Market Stocks it. It's already had the paper old-one character markers upgraded to plastic ones. The pewter minis look cool too, but they are only for fairly pricey contributions.
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Fine for buying it after it's published; possibly not fine for Kickstarter subscribers, if their copies are all sent out from CoolMiniOrNot
Well obviously they will pay through the nose, unless Mr. McVey can indeed arrange for a UK delivery. For a US$80 game + US$25 p&p, even us Finns would have to pay customs fee (not sure how much as it depends what the item is in the customs parlance and I don't pretend to know) + VAT (let's say roughly 30% on top) even tho we have a higher customs declaration limit than UK or, it seems, much of EU.
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I'd be happy to pledge if it was UK based but the postage and possible customs charges are putting me off.
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With any luck the customs thing will be mitigated somewhat. With Zombicide (same situation, but France), they've said that as these are pledges of capital and not actual orders they will mark the packages as gifts and list the value as the production value so that they'll hopefully get through easier. I would expect the same thing for this.
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I grant that may help a bit but the customs officials (at least here in Finland) don't necessarily believe it's a gift or that the value written on the box is the correct one - nor should they for that matter.
If they pick up the box (as they well might since it's likely a fairly hefty one) they then require you to present an invoice for the produce - so the invoice in the box should definitely be on the production value and not on the pledge value. Not at all sure what happens if you don't have one at all these days.
Such a thing happened to me once back in the 1980's (when everything from abroad was still handled through the customs) and they made me calculate the values of separate books in the box to get the base value. I suppose they'd have kept my stuff if that operation would've not worked and I'd have had to get a proper invoice from the sender to present to them in order to get it.
But as said, this is how it works in Finland and I'm not sure if they are more lenient/trusting in other countries. Probably not since the locals aren't taking some of my stuff in even if the box says they should (albeit by a small margin) :P
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$100k target met, $120 goal now up:
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/SW-KS-Stretch-120k.jpg)
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/SW-KS-Stretch-120k-Model-Shots.jpg)
:-* :-* :-*
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Seemed like the Biohazard level was getting all the love, so I bumped my pledge up from Quarantine.
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I haven't actually pledged yet. I need to let the other purchases I've made simmer down a bit.....
Plus June will mark my birthday and fathers day, so I'll drop not-so-subtle hints about where any present money should go.
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Seemed like the Biohazard level was getting all the love, so I bumped my pledge up from Quarantine.
Yeah, 25 figures (including the resin Kara figure) for $20 doesn't seem like a bad deal. Plus you get a print, and a patch. That's WAY better than a wall scroll and a key chain, or a pencil topper, and a set of dog tags!"
Too bad about the UK/EUrope shipping/customs problem though. I sure hope Studio McVey and CMON can come up with something satisfactory even if it is extra figures or something to balance out the shipping costs.
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This is getting harder to resist! ;D
How do the McVey figures compare size-wise to Hasslefree. I've read that Kev sculpted some of these minis but will they match his Colonial Marines and civis (as I see a merger with my Aliens game)?
:)
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I think they should merge very smoothly. Perhaps the HF ones may be one or two millimetres shorter, but that's no problem since in real life people have different heights. The important thing for mixing lines is that they have the same proportions, and since both are sculpted by K.W. they'll be spot on in that regard.
Nevertheless, Dwartist have minis from HF and McVey, so if he happens to read this... another comparison pic, please!
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Thanks. :)
Much appreciated. ;)
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Too bad about the UK/EUrope shipping/customs problem though. I sure hope Studio McVey and CMON can come up with something satisfactory even if it is extra figures or something to balance out the shipping costs.
As Mike has said there are discussions going on on this and CMON are taking this issue serious, but nothing firmed up as yet.
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This is getting harder to resist! ;D
How do the McVey figures compare size-wise to Hasslefree. I've read that Kev sculpted some of these minis but will they match his Colonial Marines and civis (as I see a merger with my Aliens game)?
:)
Also remember that the samartians could be used as enhanced troopers, (for me spartans potentially) so the slight height/scale increase will just separate the men (and women) from the boys (and girls so to speak).
Go on, another UK pledge and more chance of something happening to remove that dreaded customs issue.
The Commander
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Latest update: Update 10 gameplay video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A49F4Ntjm2Q
Really like the rules as seen in the video, really familiar (as an old skool space hulk player and current game projects are stripped down AP based homebrews) but very refreshing with constant action, fast single dice rolls phases for shooting, reflect action combat resolution, liking that alot and very portable off gameboard and onto gaming table i reckon.
So glad I'm in on this, really looking forward to it even more now.
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Yeah, it has a great mix of quick action and solid game-flow.
Looking really forward to this.
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Well it's past $120,000 so the biohazard level ($100) now comes with 75 minis counting the resin Kara. It also has plastic infection and shield markers that fit on the bottom of the textured bases, and plastic nano markers. Two new soldier sculpts and one new strain sculpt have also been added to the selection in every box for more visual variety and less chorus-line effect. And there's also the signed art print and the patch.
If the $140,000 level is reached then a Barker Zosa with a huge pulse cannon will be included in every box of the game.
(http://cdn.highwire.com/2577278_290.jpg)
That's 76 total minis for the ($100) "Biohazard" backers (and a print and a patch) and 51 minis for the $80 "Quarantine Zone" backers who just get the basic box set with no frills or extras.
(" We've got Movement" -> $190 = 152 minis total, + 2 prints, and two patches. " Keep Firing" -> $280 = 228 miniatures + 3 prints, and 3 patches.)
EDIT: Barker Zosa will be in plastic and he will have BOTH of his weapons (flamer and big zap gun thing sometime called a pulse cannon and sometimes called a plasma lance ) as options.
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I broke down and pledged. Between Zombicide and this my figures owned count is gonna rise, and when the large boxes get delivered so will my wife's eyebrows. lol
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This looks like a really interesting game, but I have Car Wars in 2 scales, Dark Future, Battletech and now Zombicide to paint as well as a squad of Movie Marines for 40k. I'll buy this and never get to it. And I'll never play until I get the figs painted.
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This looks like a really interesting game, but I have Car Wars in 2 scales, Dark Future, Battletech and now Zombicide to paint as well as a squad of Movie Marines for 40k. I'll buy this and never get to it. And I'll never play until I get the figs painted.
And your point is? ;) :D
SHINEY SHINEY :D
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I've stopped worrying about projects I'll never get to.
I just broke down and call myself a collector.
If I never get to it, I still can have it, cuz I'm a collector.
In addition to the oodles of models I have (metal) I still have to paint the following boxed games:
Space Hulk
Last Night ON Earth
The Adventurers
Gears Of War
Incursion
now
Zombicide and Sedition Wars.
And I'm convinced this is STILL a cheaper hobby than many of my co-workers have.
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Heh, it took me some 20 years to paint the last genestealers of my Space Hulk box ::)
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Before I moved out of the states I sold, literally 8 1/2k worth of unpainted figures I had collected over 15 years. Then I sold the painted ones... I just don't want to get there again, and I'm already on the path with what I've stacked up.
Yep, it's a hobby addiction!
But I totally agree, this hobby is FAR cheaper than many of the ones my mates have. :)
I'm dying to get my hands on Zombicide. I figure it'll be playable by November. That gives me the summer to work on Car Wars and Dark Future.
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I definitely had a moment or two...well maybe more....that i seriously was considering getting a pledge down. A substantial one i mean. The whole idea for 'battle for Alabaster' is not really new but i feel that some of the miniatures from the Strain faction are truely magnificent.
But finally i decided not to go ahead and just leave it. From the other reply on this topic i now gather that i am not the only but probably the only one on this planet with only two projects going on at the same time.
Multi tasking was never really my thing.
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Multi tasking was never really my thing.
Funny that you took the name 'Legion' then.... :P
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I just got one could not resist any longer.
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Yeah, when I get paid I am going to bite the bullet and buy in also
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(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/SW-KS-Stretch-140k.jpg)
$140,000 stretch target busted! :D
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Sweet!
Those additional minis, like this one for Barker, will they also be plastic?
The next couple of stretch goals aren't quite as exciting, (campaign and dice) but I think we've been spoiled.... ;D
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Yep, all plastic. The only one that isn't is the limited edition Kara that comes with 'Biohazard' and above.
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Damn..... I am thinking that they might have to start tossing in some of the the FireBrands as an incentive now.
Like maybe one of the T.H.I. Mattocks or Mauls. maybe make them emun to infection because of they are supposed to be in heavy pressure and corrosive environments.
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Sweet!
Those additional minis, like this one for Barker, will they also be plastic?
The next couple of stretch goals aren't quite as exciting, (campaign and dice) but I think we've been spoiled.... ;D
True, but it's the same stretch goal path they went for with Zombicide, so hopefully we'll see more minis @ $200 K.
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A preview of the Samaritan Lancer:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/studio-mcvey/sedition-wars/studio-mcvey-good-samaritan/
That gun may be powerful but it also looks like a bitch to lug around :?
Well, nothing there that some cutting and "pasting" won't fix...
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It most likely made with super cool space age tech, that is lighter then stuff used now. :D
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It may be lightweight but it's still fairly evidently awkward to carry.
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No doubt, I hated carrying around the 240 or the SAW lol
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Damn..... I am thinking that they might have to start tossing in some of the the FireBrands as an incentive now.
Nope, Mike's already said they won't be. The Firebrand are in the first expansion.
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I will just have to wait then ::)
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Yup, well your strain necrozombies are firebrand (ish)... ;)
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Well, it's confirmed. All games for Europe will be shipped from the UK! Shipping remains at $25 to cover the additional costs but there will be no random customs charges for any EU purchaser. I am fine with that as splitting a shipment off to the UK will add a fair bit and McVey will have to pay an import charge and customs on the shipment.
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Yup is just received via email:
Project Update #15: European shipping will be from the UK
Posted by CoolMiniOrNot
Good news!
We've figured that we should be able to ship within the EU from the UK. Shipping will still cost the same (boo) as we'll need to deal with customs and VAT on your behalf if you're in the EU, and to cover the extra cost of shipping less than a container load for UK fulfillment.
This will mean that you won't have any issues with possible customs queries, additional tax or other hassles, making your Sedition Wars experience that much smoother!
And to be honest with you, about £15 shipping for that box when all the figures are finally rammed into it from the kickstarter isn't exactly going to break the bank now is it.
Thanks to those who let me know they were this side of the pond. The info was greatly appreciated by Mike to help to gauge non us pledges.
So, everyone who was waiting....what you waiting for Christmas?
;)
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And to be honest with you, about £15 shipping for that box when all the figures are finally rammed into it from the kickstarter isn't exactly going to break the bank now is it.
So, everyone who was waiting....what you waiting for Christmas?
;)
I expected the shipping to stay the same so have no problem on that front. I'm not sure if Mike knows what he's taken on with regards to shipping these, particularly when the kickstarter extras need adding etc. Especially if they add optional extras that all need working out per order...
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Yeah me too, it was the customs bit that always bothered me, but I took a chance anyhoo.
;)
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Oh yes, not waiting for Christmas, waiting for some money to turn up. Zombicide swallowed my spare gaming cash. I know the money doesn't get taken for 20 days or so but I still want to make sure I have it first :)
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Can Zombicide get in on this container?!?
When is the game set for release?
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The $150,000 stretch goal has been met. That one was for a free downloadable scenario that would use all the extra figures packed in at the Biohazard level.
Onward to the $170,000 goal for some custom Vanguard and Strain dice.
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The stretch goals seem a little underwhelming compared to Zombicide... Just sayin...
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And to be honest with you, about £15 shipping for that box when all the figures are finally rammed into it from the kickstarter isn't exactly going to break the bank now is it
Yep, it is hardly excessive at all even for just a big box game, since it seems Studio McVey is going to be extra nice and bite the VAT for those who pledge too.
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The stretch goals seem a little underwhelming compared to Zombicide... Just sayin...
Most of the cool zombicide stretch goals came towards the end of the campaign. This one is not even half done.
I suspect we'll see some good ones later in the campaign. Of course, the more than 24 extra figures at the Biohazard level are already a good deal in my mind... Add in the alternative sculpts and I'm pretty happy now with what I'll get for my pledge.
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One may want to note the caveat clause quoted from Studio McVey's e-mail communique there tho: "We've figured that we should be able to ship within the EU from the UK". So it doesn't appear to be a completely done deal, does it?
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Most of the cool zombicide stretch goals came towards the end of the campaign. This one is not even half done.
I suspect we'll see some good ones later in the campaign. Of course, the more than 24 extra figures at the Biohazard level are already a good deal in my mind... Add in the alternative sculpts and I'm pretty happy now with what I'll get for my pledge.
Yeah, I mentioned early how we were already spoiled! I'd be happy as a clam if there is no other 'bonuses'.
Mind you, I wouldn't say no, if there were some more....LOL
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Different product different company mate, it's just CMON backing the designers.
:?
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One may want to note the caveat clause quoted from Studio McVey's e-mail communique there tho: "We've figured that we should be able to ship within the EU from the UK". So it doesn't appear to be a completely done deal, does it?
Got an email from Mike saying it's all green to go so from that have to assume done deal.
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I went for the Biohazard level
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You're in good company! ;)
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I wonder if you can help me out dear fellows... Sedition wars is the game i wish to buy when it comes out and i live in the Uk.
I`m new to kickstarter and all this figures and money and levels has got me alittle lost... so i need some help please.
1. If i just buy the game when it comes out, do i buy it from any local shop thats has it and if so whats going to be 100% in that standed box to your knowledge right now.
2. If i wait until then, what does all these levels mean, does it mean we all get it, or only the backers...?
3. Does it mean the backers get the level extras themselves, but each money leverl broken we all get those extras.
Thanks all im tired and its late, hope i explained that clearly and i must so the rush is exciting, and may i say i love the creature ideas... and alot in a way like the film " Virus " which i think i people don`t like... ?
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Basicly backers get everything promised to the amount they pledge.
So for $80 + $25 P&P you get the game + the signed cover art print
for $100 + $25 P&P you get that too and more (all the extra figs, the downloadable campaign and if they reach $170K the extra dice and who knows what's next)
If you wait for the box to hit the shelves than you get just the game (not the extras that $100+ backers get)
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At $10 you get a signed print of the cover art. (no shipping charge)
At $25 you get a resin figure of kara, and a signed print of the cover art. (no shipping charge)
I think at $80 you just get the box game that now has added variety in the vanguard and strain sculpts, a Barker Zosa heavy weapon trooper, plastic infection, deflection, and nano markers. No print. No resin Kara figure. This is the "I just want to preorder the game at a $10 discount" level. This is what will be available in stores as of the current stretch goals. (A total of 51 plastic figures with textured bases) (+ $25 shipping charge outside of US)
At $100 you get the boxed game (as above), the signed art print, a vanguard cloth patch, the resin figure, and 24 extra figures 12 of which are vanguard and twelve of which are strain. This is called "Biohazard". (76 figures total including the resin one.) There will also be a free to download scenario to use all 76 figures. If the stretch goal is reached there will also be three customized Strain d6 and three customized Vanguard dice. (+ $25 shipping charge outside of US)
At $190 you get two of everything you get at $100. So 2x patches, 2x prints, 2x resin kara figure, 2x boxed games, and 48 extra figures. (152 figures total) If the next stretch goal is reached there will be six Strain d6 and 6 Vanguard D6. (+ $40 shipping charge outside of US)
At $280 you get three of everything. So 3x patches, 3x prints, 3x resin kara figure, 3x boxed games, and 72 extra figures. (228 figures total) If the next stretch goal is reached there will be six customized Strain d6 and six 6 customized Vanguard D6. (+ $55 shipping charge outside of US)
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It a shame still I really can't think of any use for most of the Strain minis.
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You could also just go to the link on page one for a breakdown? ;)
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It a shame still I really can't think of any use for most of the Strain minis.
You just may be able to use them with that Sedition Wars game that is coming out. ;)
Or as alternates for gene stealer cultists with mutations.
Or as post apocalyptic mutants.
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You just may be able to use them with that Sedition Wars game that is coming out. ;)
Or as alternates for gene stealer cultists with mutations.
Or as post apocalyptic mutants.
Well yes, except that I don't care for any of those options. And you can't really shift anything that is non-GW locally and even GW only at around 50% off for unopened boxes/blisters so selling them is not very strong option either.
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A few more ideas:
AT43 faction. techno-zombies from a black mesa/umberella corp facility, Quake II & IV/Quake Wars based game, (great as STROGG). Try to hook up with someone on here pledging and sell them to them?
Or alternatively don't buy the game? ;)
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Thanks all thats makes sense now.... so much to read on that website....
The Bio set with uk shipping is around £80.00. thats alot but i like it.... I have got spacehulk and now painted it, even that i pais £75.00 and played once... still my best painted work ever.
I guess the shock is well... i`m 43 and so i remember board games being cheaper, not sure when i fell asleep and the prices went up..!!! How much was advacned heroquest in the day...? Anybody ?
Still its coming out around christmas so thats not too bad... Has for being a backer for the Bio set, do i need to let them know before 30th junr, and when is the money taken..?
Cheers All and thanks
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I havent purchased anything in dollars before via a credit card, is there a credit card fee for currency conversion does anyone know?
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You have to pledge during the kickstarter project (so in this case before 30 June). You will be charged once the project time ends (so on or about 30 June)
Jake
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I havent purchased anything in dollars before via a credit card, is there a credit card fee for currency conversion does anyone know?
Don't recall any charges before (visa debit card though) credit may be different.
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I havent purchased anything in dollars before via a credit card, is there a credit card fee for currency conversion does anyone know?
Check your company, it's generally 2 - 6%.
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cheers ;)
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Thanks all thats makes sense now.... so much to read on that website....
The Bio set with uk shipping is around £80.00. thats alot but i like it.... I have got spacehulk and now painted it, even that i pais £75.00 and played once... still my best painted work ever.
I guess the shock is well... i`m 43 and so i remember board games being cheaper, not sure when i fell asleep and the prices went up..!!! How much was advacned heroquest in the day...? Anybody ?
Still its coming out around christmas so thats not too bad... Has for being a backer for the Bio set, do i need to let them know before 30th junr, and when is the money taken..?
Cheers All and thanks
think it was about £25 - £30 when i got it iirc
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£80 for 76 figures and a game is fairly good value so I'm in.
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Funny that you took the name 'Legion' then.... :P
Well, i guess it's a funny old world. As a matter of fact it is a reference to the first sci-fi story that i read many aeons ago. And on another note.....we are with many. Aren't we?-)
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Well, the tricky sales folks over at the Kickstarter project just convinced me to spend yet another 40 bucks on this endeavor....
Check out the terrain set and the 'NOT' Ripley and Newt minis (optional add ons).
;D
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Well, the tricky sales folks over at the Kickstarter project just convinced me to spend yet another 40 bucks on this endeavor....
Me too. Well played, McVeys. Well played.
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I'm only in for $10 more bucks for "Ridley" so far but my resolve seems to be weakening on schedule. I want that terrain. Two sets if I can get them. Just need some money to appear.
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Me too, hopev they don't add too many extras or I will be real skint next month.
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Overload on my brain this morning, just as i work out the kickstarter.. they add terrain..!!!! and not just 10 little pieces too..!!
When will it end, it teases me daily......
Maybe 1 to 1 scale with be next..!!!!
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Yup they got me too they Ridley figure was just to cool to pass on.
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Oh dear.... ;)
Well that's another $50 pledged! :D
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I was thinking they should do 3D floor tiles complete with walls as part of the Kickstarter.
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The extras got things rockin' and rollin' for a bit. I really wish I had the $60 to buy two sets of the plastic terrian bits.
I know it's not a popular idea but I hope if they continue with more 'pop culture archetype' survivor characters we get not-Barney Fife as a Security Officer third class, a not-Dr. GordonFreeman with a sledge hammer or fire axe (crowbar is too close), and some not-3 Stooges as scientists. Maybe Sam Elliot as a heavy gunner with a cowboy hat would be fun too.
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You had me at barney fife, now all they need is Not-Pvt. Gomer Pyle :D
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Or alternatively don't buy the game?
That is a very probable end result. I still haven't been able to think of a use for the Strain minis that I could actually, like, use.
I'll prolly buy the Samaritans once (or if) they ever become separately available at a price that is not completely over the top per figure.
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I have no real use for half the stuff I buy.
Hell, it's a rare event if I actually do play any games at all.
But, stuff like this makes me happy, so I indulge my little obsession.
New stretch goals announced, and now the 'glow in the dark' pack is offered.
Have to say, this is the first thing that doesn't really interest me. I like the SOLO Campaign idea, but glow in the dark figures at 50 bucks doesn't do it for me. Espcially how painting them would ruin the idea. I'll pass on that.
Still hope some folks like it and push us past the 270,000 mark!
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Looks SO good. I'm not sure I can afford to for another week or so, but man I really want to get in on this one!
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So how does this work?
If you pledge $110, you get the biohazard box and the Dr Susan Ridley mini?
A tad confused because there is no Dr Susan Ridley option on the pledge list.
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So how does this work?
If you pledge $110, you get the biohazard box and the Dr Susan Ridley mini?
A tad confused because there is no Dr Susan Ridley option on the pledge list.
Yeah you pledge $110 and the $100 lets you select a Biohazard set as a reward. The other $10 just sits there. Then, after Jun 30 when the kickstarter "vests" CMON or Studio McVey send you a "kickstarter survey" after Jun 30 and you choose what you want to do with your extra $10 from a list of available options. (In this case, so far, those choices are the 'Ridley and Strained Ridley' figures or a set of strain and vanguard dice.). You send them your selection of Ridley, and then the send you your Biohazard (box set and extra figures and dice) by November and they send you Ridley in March of next year.
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Also, remember that no money will change hands UNTIL the Deadline is met.
Since they've surpassed the original goal, the money definitely will be paid, but not until the June 30th date.
So, if you plan on doing it anyhow, there is no sense in waiting. Pushing the total up now just gets us closer to the next stretch goal.
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I'm hearing a lot of grumbling about the Lights Out Pack. It's not for me, but then I'm getting "We've Got Movement" so I'm already drowning in plastic at this point. I'm in for $200 so far (including Ridley) and looking to maybe go in another $60 for two sets of the plastic terrain.
So if the "Lights Out" pack is not as attractive for at least some of the people already in the door and watching their promised collections grow and a grow with a gobbet of slobber running down their chins, then who is $50 "Lights Out" Pack extra really for?
I suspect the REAL purpose behind the $50 "Lights out pack" is to provide a STEALTHY a way for people who bid at the $10 minimal level(signed print!) and the $25 level (print and a resin mini) to get a $50 extra that lets them collect a sampler of 26 of the cool figures from the game all for a somewhat lower price than the $80 board game.
(31 or 32 figures including the Vanguard heroes if the $240,000 stretch goal is reached, that would be $1.92 a figure without the goal being and $1.61 or $1.56 a figure if it is reached, depending on whether an Opticamo Barker Zosa is included. Both are pretty good prices for the plastic gaming figure industry. )
If you you don't want to pay $80 and aren't all that interest in the board game itself but still want to get some McVey figures this might be a good way to go. People who don't want to buy in at $80 can now Buy in at $60 and still get a decent range of stuff to paint and play with.
It's aimed at people who want more than the $10 or $25 level provides but still can't pull the trigger on $80. And the clear and glow in the dark stuff is just bonus for people who don't paint. It's a new middle level of involvement.
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I'm OK with the lights out stretch goal. I mean they can't include extra minis with EVERY stretch goal and still make this work. I am however excited about the exta campaign itself. With these type of hybrid boardgames the replay value is finite out of the box. For me anything that keeps the game fresh and interesting is welcome. The fact that it is a solo campaign is cool but secondary for me.
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I'm not a fan of it, because I don't see any point whatsoever in glow in the dark figures. Who's going to play the game in the dark? It's a gimmick too far. Zombies! also did packs of glow in the dark figures which were pointless.
The Optical Camo Vanguard however I can see many uses for in other games etc and I have a desire to paint a 'mid-cloak' figure or two. Like in the Predator films when he steps in water. If you could just buy them I might be tempted.
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They sell glow in the dark acrylic paint in multiple colors and also black light glow paints (though they tend to be water based tempuras).
Glow in the dark plastic really isn't needed for glow in the dark figures.
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=263195
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http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/sedition-wars-battle-for-alabaster/posts
Now they have a splits of the $50 pack for $30 each.
Update #23: Opticamo and Glow in the Dark Strain packs!
Posted 6 minutes ago
Based on feedback, we're making these two optional packs available separately too!
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/OpticalPack.jpg)
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/GITDStrainPack.jpg)
Model counts are the same for the full Lights Out Campaign Pack, and the stretch goal for $240k will get either the glow in the dark Strain or Opticamo Kara and officers depending on whether you pledge for the Opticamo Pack or the GITD Strain Pack.
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I'm not a fan of it, because I don't see any point whatsoever in glow in the dark figures. Who's going to play the game in the dark? It's a gimmick too far. Zombies! also did packs of glow in the dark figures which were pointless.
The Optical Camo Vanguard however I can see many uses for in other games etc and I have a desire to paint a 'mid-cloak' figure or two. Like in the Predator films when he steps in water. If you could just buy them I might be tempted.
Now available seperately
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Yep, just seen. Was having a look through the comments when it hapened, evidently my view was shared by many ;)
On the other hand.... bugger.....
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Yeah you pledge $110 and the $100 lets you select a Biohazard set as a reward.
Thanks, for the explanation. :)
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Pledged a while ago. Looks great
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Now they have a splits of the $50 pack for $30 each.
Now things are starting to look mildly interesting, provided I understood it correctly that you can now pledge and get just the Vanguards sans any extraneous bitz of little to no use. However, if it's still at $25 p&p then not so much.
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Now things are starting to look mildly interesting, provided I understood it correctly that you can now pledge and get just the Vanguards sans any extraneous bitz of little to no use. However, if it's still at $25 p&p then not so much.
Midly interesting to you mate let's be fair... as you don't want the entire game. You could just buy a couple of resins from the studio if that's all you wanted? Anyway glad you can now get your pack, we're all looking forward to the entire game though...::)
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Midly interesting to you mate let's be fair... as you don't want the entire game
Surely you are not mistaking my comments on this thread as something else than expressions of my personal opinion. Which I believe I'm entitled to have, even if it's different from yours.
You could just buy a couple of resins from the studio if that's all you wanted?
If the Samaritan Vanguards were available, I certainly would. Last I looked a minute or so ago they weren't. Possibly will be by the time the box set comes out of course.
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Regarding the latest stretch goals, am I to understand they're only available if I spend more money for the add-on packs?
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Surely you are not mistaking my comments on this thread as something else than expressions of my personal opinion. Which I believe I'm entitled to have, even if it's different from yours.
If the Samaritan Vanguards were available, I certainly would. Last I looked a minute or so ago they weren't. Possibly will be by the time the box set comes out of course.
Absolutely not mate, just does come across a little flate against my general over excitement ;) No worries, text is easy to misinterperet.
Looks like only the camo ones are separate, so you could do a few decloaking/partial cloak? That would be very cool.
Althought thought the resins were out? I'll check with Mike.
The Comander
Cheers
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There was a box set of the Vanguards sold at some con or another but I don't think it's gotten into the webshop as of yet. This from dwartist:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=40947.msg480593#msg480593
Also, that set didn't feature a Lancer model.
On the related news, BoW previews the new Strain model:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/studio-mcvey/sedition-wars/cthonians-attack-studio-mcveys-sedition-wars/
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Regarding the latest stretch goals, am I to understand they're only available if I spend more money for the add-on packs?
Correct.
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Regarding the latest stretch goals, am I to understand they're only available if I spend more money for the add-on packs?
The current stretch goal of $240,000? Yes. It only enhances the "Lights Out" pack extra and the two extra packs that spun off from it.
Basically if the goal is met the glow in the dark strain pack (15 figs) will come with a glow in the dark Brimstone (big gun in chest guy that looks kind of like a cyborg terror dog/Zule ) and a glow in the dark Sycthe Witch (biomechanical dominatrix ninja thing). The Opticamo (clear plastic) Vanguard pack(11 figs) will come with Opticamo versions of Kara and the other characters (presumably Akosha, Morgan, and Barker Zosa) in opticamo. Buying both in the form of the Lights Out pack gets you all of the above extras at $10 cheaper.
EDIT FROM FIVE HOURS LATER: The goal WAS met, and it DOES include a clear plastic opticamo Barker Zosa with the opticamo Vanguard officers.
The next one of $270,000 ( another drone tank) enhances all biohazard ($100+) sets bought by Biohazard and the rewards above it that include a Biohazard.
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o_o
I'm starting to feel dizzy with all these stretch goals, and extra packs, and what-nots...
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I don't even know what I am getting any more o_o
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Kick starter goal overload!
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Yeah the sheer amount of stuff available in the stretch rewards is pretty mind-boggling! I've pledged as much as I can afford to, but wow, some seriously great stuff. Even if the game stinks all the terrain and miniatures will still be worth the price because I can use it in so many different places it's just awesome.
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o_o
I'm starting to feel dizzy with all these stretch goals, and extra packs, and what-nots...
What's my name again? o_o
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I have been watching this since day one and I am itching to pledge. I am going to have to wait until later in the month just to be on the safe side financially, but I cant stop myself from getting involved in the hype at this stage :D
Other than the glow-in-the-dark stuff (which is a bit pointless) I am completely blown away by this project overall. I have looked at the resin McVey stuff before but it was always too expensive for my budget. But the Kickstarter was a great deal to start with. Now that specialists and characters have been added its off the scale.
A promising looking game system, Kev White sculpted plastics, fantastic looking techno-zombies, specialist techno-zombies, cloaked troopers, specialist troopers, character models and (my favourite element so far) potentially great looking terrain pieces... I want to take Sedition Wars out for an expensive meal, bring it home for a foot massage and spend the night making passionate and uninhibited love to it on the bearskin rug in front of the fire.
Pay day cannot come soon enough, although the wait until release will be tough.
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Cheetor, get a room dude! ;)
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The DVD tutorial stretch goal was hit this morning. Every Biohazard pack will come with a DVD.
Now it's all about an additional drone tank in every Biohazard pack at $270,000. $15,000 or so between here and there.
According to someone in the comments there is a Battle Foam deal in the works that will be revealed during the Kickstarter.
And there are also unconfirmed rumors based on a youtube interview with a CMON rep at a gaming con that the ultimate kickstarter end-goal is 60 minis in the basic box and 90 in the biohazard set. So there may be nine more somethings to be revealed. Or not.
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Kick starter goal overload!
WHat a horrible life we gamers lead!!
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It's only $1856 away from getting a 2nd drone tank in every Biohazard set right now.
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Getting closer!!
We need that drone! ;D
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The drone tank is ours! ;D
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Getting closer!
We need that Grendlr!
;D
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Ok ok, I will buy into the kickstarter tommrow. lol
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Right, finally in!
It's fathers day and my wife/daughter put the pledge in for me. Okay they used my credit card but it still counts :D
So the next stretch is a nano-zombie version of the Dead Space character with a sci-fi author name blend.
Now in for $215... this is a damned expensive board game!
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Now in for $215... this is a damned expensive board game!
Think of it as a cheap series of therapy sessions....
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Think of it as a cheap series of therapy sessions....
Works for me :)
$175 on Zombicide, $215 so far on Sedition Wars... I have been officially banned from looking at projects on Kickstarter :o
Probably fair...
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Works for me :)
$175 on Zombicide, $215 so far on Sedition Wars... I have been officially banned from looking at projects on Kickstarter :o
Probably fair...
;)
:D
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GOT me again >:( but I am only in it for $150 now. 12 days left
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Due to a bout of apoplexy from my good wife when she saw my post I must now point out that while it may have been my credit card that was used, they are joint credit cards and she is the one who pays it off, (by transferring money from the joint account, but lets not start a fight) :D
I want to build a 3d board now, but I'm going to wait until the scenery pack comes out, then I can incorporate it.
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I want to build a 3d board now, but I'm going to wait until the scenery pack comes out, then I can incorporate it.
Me too!
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Due to a bout of apoplexy from my good wife when she saw my post I must now point out that while it may have been my credit card that was used, they are joint credit cards and she is the one who pays it off, (by transferring money from the joint account, but lets not start a fight) :D
The wife of a gaming acquaintance of mine recently checked the rather alarming balance on "his" credit card, which for years has been used for nothing but hobby items.
His man-cave has now been forcefully repurposed into a guest bedroom and his large collection of miniatures now resides in the damp garage with the lawnmower and old paint cans. Reports that he now exclusively sleeps in "the naughty chair" are unconfirmed.
A cautionary tale, running completely at odds with my upcoming Sedition Wars splurge. Kickstarter will be the end of us all, but it will be fun getting there :)
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His man-cave has now been forcefully repurposed into a guest bedroom and his large collection of miniatures now resides in the damp garage with the lawnmower and old paint cans.
Foolish woman, that doesn't help the problem, it exascerbates it by depreciating the value. She should embrace their worth and the joy they bring.... that's never going to happen is it?
Kickstarter will be the end of us all, but it will be fun getting there :)
There is a very definate danger element, adds to the thrill :)
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"Kick starter will be the end of us"...
For somebody about to lay down my $100 dollors i`m sweating...
If it is the end.. then we go down fighting together, side by side, paint bush in one hand and D6 in the other.....
And if we live though this... then its only 81+ figures to paint before me play in all its glory...!!!!!
And this quote brought me joy this morning
"Think of it as a cheap series of therapy sessions...."
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All this talk of worrying about what our better half may think about this is absurd!
ARE WE NOT MEN?
You boys need to puff your chest out and demand your dominance!
Then come back and tell me how that worked for all you, because now I need to go finish the dishes, get the laundry started, and somehow hide the credit card bill ::).....
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Well, the $330,000 goal has just been broken! ;D
So a quick summary of what is being offered seemed like a good idea to me, and I hope it's helpful to at least one person! ;)
Every normal set ($80) has been upgraded with:
- Plastic counters
- Alternate Vanguard Trooper sculpt
- Alternate Strain Phase 1 Sculpt
- Barker Zosa, an elite heavy weapons Vanguard character with two weapon options
- Extra downloadable campaign
In addition to the above, every Biohazard set ($100) now ships with 31 extra free miniatures:
- A resin limited edition Kara
- 12 Additional Vanguard troopers
- 12 Additional Strain Phase 1 and Phase 2
- 2 Additional Phase 3 Brimstone
- 2 Additional Phase 3 Scythe Witch
- 1 Additional AI Drone
- 1 Additional Grendlr
- 1 Additional Cthonian
- 6 Faction dice
- 1 Painting DVD in which Mike & Ali show you how to paint your BfA figs
Each Biohazard set gets the above, so if you opt for a bigger pledge that is multiple BH sets (for example "We've Got Movement!" is two BH sets), then you also get the corresponding extra number of goodies above (in in the previous example, that's sixty two extra free models, two painting DVDs, etc...).
There's also a number of optional extras that can be added to a pledge:
- Dice Pack: Six dice (three Strain, three Vanguard) + $10.00 per set
- Terrain Pack: Seventy pieces + $30.00
- Dr Susan Ridley: Plastic fig, and also includes the infected Strain version for free + $10.00
- Tech Officer Niven Banks: Plastic fig, and also includes the infected Strain version for free + $10.00
- Sergeant Ramirez: Plastic fig, will also include the infected Strain version for free if next stretch goal is hit, which is $390K + $10.00
- Glow in the Dark Strain pack: 17 GitD plastic figs + $30.00
- Opticamo Vanguard pack: 15 clear plastic figs including the four main characters from the base game + $30.00
- Lights Out campaign pack: GitD Strain and Opticamo Vanguard packs together + $50.00
- Tile Pack: An extra set of all the tiles from the base game, including the transit cars + $25.00
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Phew! I hope I got it all, but somebody please correct me if I'm wrong. ;)
Anyway, the short of it is that for every Biohazard set ($100 + $25 shipping) you get 82 miniatures... Or to put it another way, it works out at about $1.50 per fig.
I think that's pretty good for anyone looking to split a set or two with a friend in order to build a Sci-fi force for another game, and of course you still get the rest of the BfA game too.
For anyone wondering, the plastic that will be used is the same as that used for Warmachine and Hordes models (lets hope the mould lines are better with these!), and is similar (if not the same) to the "Plastic Resin" that Mantic uses for some of their figures.
I have no idea if this will the same for the GitD or "Opticamo" models, although I suspect they will be in different plastic materials.
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Edited to include new goals and info.
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I pledged Biohazard and just upped it another $20 for Ridley and Niven. I'm on the fence about the terrain set.
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CMON posted on the Kickstarter comments that the base set still comes with 50 miniatures. Barker Zosa replaces one of the vanilla Vanguard guys. Kind of a minor bummer I guess.
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$215 in.... oops! :D
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CMON posted on the Kickstarter comments that the base set still comes with 50 miniatures. Barker Zosa replaces one of the vanilla Vanguard guys. Kind of a minor bummer I guess.
Not a big deal to me. There's already 12 of the laser rifle guys in the box and another 6 more in the biohazard upgrade, so I don't think we'll be missing him.
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The wife of a gaming acquaintance of mine recently checked the rather alarming balance on "his" credit card, which for years has been used for nothing but hobby items.
His man-cave has now been forcefully repurposed into a guest bedroom and his large collection of miniatures now resides in the damp garage with the lawnmower and old paint cans. Reports that he now exclusively sleeps in "the naughty chair" are unconfirmed.
A cautionary tale, running completely at odds with my upcoming Sedition Wars splurge. Kickstarter will be the end of us all, but it will be fun getting there :)
I'm just finishing decorating my new man cave extension, so at least I'll have somewhere comfy to bed down, fridge freezer in the adjoining garage, all mod cons. ;)
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I looked at the game a few times, and to be honest, I may be 'cheap', but Zombicide has me in for $200.00 already and I'm just getting a little burned out on KS...
So I think I'm going to let this one pass by....
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Barker Zosa replaces one of the vanilla Vanguard guys. Kind of a minor bummer I guess
Sorta yeah, 'cuz I already have a metal Barker Zosa. So there's another miniature I would have to get rid of somehow. Still, the Biohazard does looks fairly tempting at this stage, especially since they've loaded up on the few Strain models I almost can imagine a reason for owning.
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Sorta yeah, 'cuz I already have a metal Barker Zosa. So there's another miniature I would have to get rid of somehow. Still, the Biohazard does looks fairly tempting at this stage, especially since they've loaded up on the few Strain models I almost can imagine a reason for owning.
In the game he has a couple weapons options, so you could use the metal as is and make sure you assemble the plastic one with the other weapon. ;)
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Speaking of plastic... they say what type will be used for the figs?
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Speaking of plastic... they say what type will be used for the figs?
For anyone wondering, the plastic that will be used is the same as that used for Warmachine and Hordes models (lets hope the mould lines are better with these!), and is similar (if not the same) to the "Plastic Resin" that Mantic uses for some of their figures.
I have no idea if this will the same for the GitD or "Opticamo" models, although I suspect they will be in different plastic materials.
@ CptJake:
Yep, I was thinking of doing just that myself! ;)
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In the game he has a couple weapons options, so you could use the metal as is and make sure you assemble the plastic one with the other weapon
I'm pretty sure I can do a swappable weapon on the metal model, actually. That's the plan anyway.
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@ tnjrp:
You only get one weapon with each metal Barker Zosa... So to get both weapon options, you have to buy two copies - one of each.
The plastic version in the game set will be a single body with two weapons options (apparently).
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You only get one weapon with each metal Barker Zosa... So to get both weapon options, you have to buy two copies - one of each
I know, like I said I have a metal Barker Zosa.
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Ah, you mean adding the plastic arm(s) to the metal model then? In that case, sorry; I obviously misunderstood what you were suggesting earlier! o_o
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Hey TNjrp, do you think that magnets will work on the Barker Zosa mins arms?
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With them continuing to add more individual characters, I'm starting to think that the extra money I pledged for the opti-camo and glow-in-the-dark figures might go towards them, and the tile pack instead. As cool as the clear/gitd figures are, I'd rather have more characters. I'm certainly not pledging more than I already have, as I'm up over $200 including my shipping, which is a pretty big investment for a game I've never played.
The minis to look great though!
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Thanks, Major G. That helps.
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Boom. The second Cthonian in every ($100)Biohazard set is now a done deal. Now it's about getting fake Vasquez to come with her mutated cyber horror version when bought asa $10 promo extra.
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Ah, you mean adding the plastic arm(s) to the metal model then? In that case, sorry; I obviously misunderstood what you were suggesting earlier!
I can't recall if the metal BZ has a separate right arm or not ATM (I'm thinking "not" tho) but I'm going to try and magnetize the guns and the bracing arm anyhow. So the magnet in the arm would go to the top BZ's right hand. Admittedly it would probably be easier to magnetize at the shoulder if the arm is separate (this FYI commissarmoody), if you have two suitable right arms to go with.
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Sgt. Ramirez (not-Vasquez) got her ugly version included with every purchase of her, and now they have new stretch goals and stuff.
New strech goal is for 6 "baby drones" (2 each of defense, attack and stealth) that the drone tank controls. In the game they are cardboard markers. If the $420,000 stretch goal is met they will be plastic miniatures that ship in March and they will be shipped to anyone who gets a Biohazard set. (We've got movement will get 12 of them, and keep firing will get 18 of them)
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/SW-KS-Stretch-420k.jpg)
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/Drones_final_s.jpg)
There is a new $10 Extra "promo" character:
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/Hexen-Phaedrus.jpg)
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/Hexen_Phaedrus_small.jpg)
Dr. Hexen sets up a new stretch goal of $430,000 to get her strained version free with every purchase of her.
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/SW-KS-Stretch-430k.jpg)
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/Proto_Phaedrus_small.jpg)
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They apprantly want all of my money
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I wonder who they'll get to sculpt the Toaster in the Red Dress, given that Kev White has already done a version (and that Hasslefree not only sells his, but also Andrew Rae's version of the same character).
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I love the drones, just to bad I cant kick any more money out. I am broke for the month. Damn new GF is takeing all of my funds :D
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Those 6 baby drones for every biohazard pledge are a done deal now.
The $10,000 stretch goal for a $10 extra purchase of Dr Hexen to come with strain version of her is already 42% met.
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Those 6 baby drones for every biohazard pledge are a done deal now.
The $10,000 stretch goal for a $10 extra purchase of Dr Hexen to come with strain version of her is already 42% met.
Thats just crazy :o
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Well, it's about $1800 away from the $430,000 stretch goal now. Not a lot of progress over the last several hours. Not terrible though. The last two hours have really been pretty slow.
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Well, there really has to be some kind of saturation point even for this one o_o
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Apparently not!
The $430K goal has been reached...
The next goal is six extra Strain figures (that look like a cross between Alien Facehuggers and scorpions) added for free to every Biohazard level set at $460K.
Also, the not-crew of the not-Serenity (from Firefly), with two members offered for $20
At the subsequent goal of $470K, two extra free members of the crew are added for for free for anyone buying the first two.
I suspect that this will eventually hit $500K and we'll get a the promised novel too. ;)
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Also, the not-crew of the not-Serenity (from Firefly), with two members offered for $20
I know it! I was telling my buddy today that they would make a set of them! :D
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A few days to go but then there are still many scifi shows to pilfer for not-X minis :P
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This is cool and everything and models of the Serenity crew should be a great draw I reckon, but I think that McVey and co need to be careful now.
The price tag for one of everything is after getting very high at this stage, so high that I will have to leave certain things out of my purchase. And if I can do without some of the bits and pieces, well then I can see myself doing without some of the others too, which hurts less if I know that I will never have a complete set anyway.
Its an unhealthy collector mentality, but I think that it bears consideration. Tread lightly here McVey and co.
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Its an unhealthy collector mentality, but I think that it bears consideration. Tread lightly here McVey and co.
Or they are betting that most gamers with the collector mentality don't also possess the discipline to know when to say "enough." But I hear yah...I'm having quite the interior struggle going on with how much is enough. Discipline seems to be getting thrashed though. Again, well played McVeys.
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I upped my pledge once when they announced the extra camo and glow in the dark figures. I'm not upping it again, even though there's a lot of extra cool stuff. I'll just be picking and choosing my paid-for extras when the campaign closes. Of course that means I won't be able to get everything, but I'll still be getting lots of great stuff, and not feeling guilty for spending even MORE money on a game I've never played. I think some times having to chose is better than getting it all...plus it doesn't hurt the bank account as much.
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They are already geting all they are going to get from me. lol
If I was rich I would buy all of the things. But since I am not, I will just have to pic up the extras at a later date.
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$464,528 right now.
Only $5,472 away from the $470,000 stretch goal for the ($20 extra) Calamity crew to be complete at four figures.
Todays been a busy day. I guess the faux Firefly thing is popular. I think I'm going to pass on them since they have no strain forms.
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The 460,000 barrier has come and gone, I'm sure the rest of the 'Calamity' crew is in the bag.
I'm really glad we got those crawlers.
I've not purchased any of the Not characters since Ridley, not sure if I can justify 40 more bucks for 8 plastic figures.
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Were as I would really love to get my hands on the "Calamity" along with the terrain and all the other goodies, I am just going to be happy with Ramirez and Niven Banks.
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This is getting a bit silly, ;) at least the biohazard pledge will get me what I need, the dead space character, not ripley and newt and vasquez are on the list, plus the scenery pack and opticamo, (as Mike has beat me to it, but still getting some of my spartans cast in clear resin with Si's permission).
But I can't fork out any more for this, I think I'm personally, maxed out! ;)
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DAMN! To get the 'not riddick' we need to get to 520K. Maybe I should order more 'extras' to do my part.
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I'm holding at Biohazard plus twenty for two Not-characters. The "stretch-goals-if-you-spend-more" is too overt for me. Plus you have to wait 'til next March to receive them.
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The Calamity gang is now 4 figures which maybe helps with the $20 price-tag. I dunno. No strain forms feels wrong somehow. Then again I don't want to pay $40 for it and they won't give me right figure for $20. Oh well. And honestly I just don't see the firefly crew being quite right for space-hulking. Fighting pyscho-cannibal equivalents of old western movie Apaches is more their style at the FURTHEST extreme and more often they are about pulling capers and being on the run.
Anyway if they hit $520K they'll give away a fake Riddik to the Biohazard sets. He's named after a guy who was really helpful on their comments section which is kind of cool.
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/SW-KS-Stretch-520k.jpg)
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/SW-KS-Stretch-520k-Keegan-shadow.jpg)
While I can see Riddick surviving the Strain I doubt he's going to be taking many of them down. At least he is targeted to be a freebie.
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/Recommended-Loadout750.jpg)
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/Optional-Loadout.750.jpg)
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I couldnt see anywhere, does anyone know if the additional figures, ripley etc are plastic or resin? I assume they are plastic but wasnt sure.
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This is all getting silly....
Couple of days to go... and so many sci-fi films left to plunder at the last minute...
Just upped my pledge, again, to include the new characters....
I wonder if ALL of these will be on sale after the release date?
Is this just a last minute feeding frenzy? Or will some of these 'not's ' be 'too close' to their intended originals?
And then what happens if you have pledged and paid for something that cant be made for legal reasons?
Could be a very interesting fight for Alabaster indeed!
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I'm not very comfortable with the whole idea of blatant not-Xs myself but at least these will be well done I'm sure. And of course many people like them (and even demand them at every opportunity) so I'm sure they'll sell well.
Regardless of that, I've finally decided to go Biohazard myself. Looks like I can shift some of the Strain after all and even if I have to throw them in the trash it's starting look like a decent deal. At least until they ship from USA after all (or UK secedes from EU) and I'll have to pay an extra 25-30% on top :P
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@ ryoden:
Every single miniature in this Kickstarter is plastic, except for the LE Kara (which is resin). The plastic is similar to that which Warmachine uses.
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@ Col. Aubrey Bagshot:
All the "not-X" characters will have a single production run. There will be enough to cover all the KS pledges, and anything left over will be limited to sales at Cons. Once they are all sold, they will not be replaced - Mike McVey has categorically stated this.
Also, the Opticamo and GitD Strain figures for the Lights Out campaign are also exclusive in exactly the same way as the "not-X" characters.
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In general, I intend to get all the "not-X" characters, as I think they'd be useful elsewhere if I don't feel they fit the BfA theme - the Calamity Crew are a good example.
However, I do think that if they'd added more free stuff, then they'd have more pledgers, a wider participation and still raised the money they have.
The buy-in extras are cool, but not so much as stretch goals. I can't help but think that if there'd have been more backers (i.e., gather in all those sitting on the fence), the $500K mark would have been passed days ago...
Instead, many of the extras seem to have been purchased by existing pledgers (like me) - which is fine, but I feel that getting more backers would have been better in general for a KS project like this (as you then get wider word-of-mouth recommendation based on product that folks can physically hold and show around -as more people will have the sets- and you can't beat advertising like that).
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However, I do think that if they'd added more free stuff, then they'd have more pledgers, a wider participation and still raised the money they have.
The buy-in extras are cool, but not so much as stretch goals. I can't help but think that if there'd have been more backers (i.e., gather in all those sitting on the fence), the $500K mark would have been passed days ago...
After taking another comparative look at the Zombicide Kickstarter last night I have to agree. The initial outlay to get all of the cool stuff for Zombicide is far lower and they topped $780K with 5258 backers. Sedition Wars has made $490K with 2510 backers and a couple of days to go.
I watched the final days of the Mantic Kings of War Kickstarter last weekend and if that is anything to go by then there will be a big flood of cash at the end, so Sedition Wars may well beat Zombicide in cash terms I reckon, but it will be very interesting to see if they beat Zombicide in number of pledges. That wont make it clear if they would have made more money with a different model (such as extra free stuff and a smaller buy-in to get it) though.
My finger is hovering on the pledge button, but at this stage I dont know how much I am willing to commit. It doesnt look like things will be any clearer until the last minute either due to the ever escalating buy in.
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Does the Kickstarter site provide any kind of statistics for a project? It might be interesting to watch how a thing like this has developed.
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Does the Kickstarter site provide any kind of statistics for a project? It might be interesting to watch how a thing like this has developed.
http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/coolminiornot/sedition-wars-battle-for-alabaster/
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Ah quite, thx.
Yesteday seems to have been a good day for 'em 8)
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@ ryoden:
Every single miniature in this Kickstarter is plastic, except for the LE Kara (which is resin). The plastic is similar to that which Warmachine uses.
Cheers, I am having a hard time resisting the "crew" but will probably end up buying them as well :)
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Just another $1,042 and the $520,000 kickstarter for Keegan Kor (not-Riddik) is met.
Edit: $632 away from that stretch goal now. Man, a $50,000 stretch goal in around 24 hours. That's nuts.
Congratulations. Keegan Kor is now a thing. For Biohazrad and above Pledges. In March. They done it Boss! They gone and done it, sure enough!
Now, down to the brass tacks!
What's NEXT?
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(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/SW-KS-Stretch-600k.jpg)
""Trapped in the cargo facility, conscript Jada "Iron" Lily has survived while jacked into a sturdy THI lifter. Now Jada is clocking some harsh overtime, crushing strain skulls and trying to escape the predatory contagion infecting Alabaster station."
If we hit this stretch, every Biohazard set gets Iron Lily! She may be a little squishy without her THI carapace though... (hint hint). And not to worry, if we don't hit this stretch she'll be available in the CKPM as an option!"
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/SW-KS-Stretch-600k-Pilot-Shot.jpg)
New Extas added as well:
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/THI-Suit.jpg)
"So these bad boys normally sell for $25 in their metal version, and come with one set of arms. Get them now for $15 each with Flamer and Pulse Cannon arms too! So you got 4 arms to choose from. Ships March 2013, unpainted and unassembled."
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/THI-Suit-600modelshot.jpg)
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(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/Sw-Battlefoam-Bag.jpg)
"The fiendish protective geniuses at Battlefoam have put together a nice little kit to carry around all your Biohazard contents and then some. Great if you intend to paint the game! This bag will be available for sale later, but ships free in the USA if you get it from us now. International shipping please add $25. All Not a Natural Color and other painted sets will include one of these bags to protect your babies already for free."
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/openbag.jpg)
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Just over 100 bucks now!
We WILL have not Riddick!! (even if I have to pony up another 100!)
EDIT
A quick refresh confirms it. He's ours!
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Yes, do pony up the cash boyz (or the not-Riddick will kill you with his not-teacup): I want the little flower too 8)
I didn't know the carapace suits are metal these days, I thought they were resin ???
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WTH! I guess I will be sending more money there way then.
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Current projection makes BFA fall just a bit short of Biohazard (AKA "All this and even more!") getting a Lily. This makes baby Jesus cry.
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Just reposting this link from WAMP. It's even made news outside the gaming community, although Studio McVey is not actually mentioned in the post.
http://www.wired.com/design/2012/06/coolminiornot-success-kickstarter/
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I succumbed... Biohazzard FTW! :D
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Studio McVey is not actually mentioned in the post
In fact they pretty much start by saying that "CMON miniatures are still hand-sculpted" which is prolly technically true but in this case rather deluded, considering the pic shows a McVey miniature. Ah well, journalists... o_o
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Question of a Kickstarter n00b: suppose I want to add some additional loadout miniatures, how do I select them? I can't find an option to do that...
Thanks.
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@ Roon:
Click on "Manage your Pledge", and alter the amount accordingly, and then save.
For example, if you want the Biohazard set ($100), Ridley (+$10), the terrain (+$30) and you live in Europe (+$25), then:
Click the "Biohazard" pledge level and type in $165.00 in the box at the top and save.
After it's all over, a survey will be sent to all the pledgers for them to confirm what they wanted.
Note:
The level that you click on ("Biohazard", "We've got Movement", etc) determines the number of sets that you get, and how many of the extras you can have. Currently, the "not-X" characters are limited at three of each each per "Biohazard" set (therefore, six of each per "We've got Movement", etc). That's each, not in total BTW.
But, once the pledge level has been accounted for from your pledge amount, the rest of the pledge amount can be split up as you wish - up to the total money and availability limits. So following the earlier example, if you decide to change Ridley for Niven Banks after the KS is over, you can as they are both the same cost - that's why the surveys will go out to everyone.
Also, you can revise your pledge level and pledge amount down if you want to (buyer's regret maybe...!) - just do so before the KS completes!
Hope all that helps! ;)
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Thank you Major Gilbear, all clear to me now. :)
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@Roon: You go girl :)
Just asked a friend of mine to order the Biohazard option with some extras as well. Most of the time it's a good thing I don't have a creditcard, but sometimes it can be real handy to have one.
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@Jase: indeed, I went... ;D What extra's did you have in mind? I'm only tempted by the ''Aliens''-girls...
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>:D
All the special characters and the Terrain Set, and two of those THI Carapace units
Everything that says 'Limited Edition' makes me go wild :-*
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LOL! YOU go girl! lol
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Dang it! I want some of those THI lifters now. :D
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If anybody wants to irresponsibly blow a lot of money on THI suits we are now only $11,300 from hitting the $300,000 stretch goal and getting Ms. Crazy boots in every Biohazard set.
Then on Saturday evening I can relax and go to sleep and put this mind-bending ultra-commercialization of my weak pysche behind me.
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Oi, I resent that! Every grrl knows the best boots for combat have high heels and who are we to stop women from dressing for themselves?
Anyhow, the statistics told me yesterday was the best day so far (prolly 'cuz of the Wired news item, of course) and so if the BFA project just gets two more average (or even clearly below average) days then all those who have taken the 'hazard can expect to get a flower in the mail sometime next spring.
ETA: I do believe they just broke the $600,000 limit. Only a measly $13,000 or so pledged today so far tho :P
One starts to wonder where all this money is coming from already... Is it sure to be real pledging and not "make this look big but withdraw at the last minute" fake pledging similar to owner ramping up the price at an eBay auction?
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Ok we got here, the next goal might be a little bit of a stretch I am thinking.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/sedition-wars-battle-for-alabaster/posts/256090?ref=email&show_token=cbbcfe1aaa3527e2#
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(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/SW-KS-Stretch-650k.jpg)
"Vanguard forward operators often find themselves adapting to "close encounters." Akosha has decided to switch up to full kick-murder wetwork gear! Ready to get surgical on some Strain mutant freaks? She is.
Every Biohazard set gets the battle damaged version of this deadly cyborg if we hit this stretch! Ships March 2013, unpainted and unassembled."
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/battle_damaged_akosha.jpg)
Shot up terminator lady. With hairy pits. The message is "Back to nature" I guess?
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a little bit of pit hair never discouraged me, but the lack of skin a defiant turn off. lol
I take it she is the chewed up, close-combat version of the Vanguard sniper.
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That she is. I had no idea that Akosha is a cyborg (or do they mean "android" perchance?), I don't think it's all that clear from the basic model. But then again, I (luckily) don't have that one yet so I've never seen it in the "flesh".
ETA: as of a minute or so ago, the statistics page says the pledge is at $648,195 (and trending towards an omnious $666,201 ;))... Also, yesterday was the best day for BFA yet. You can pretty much expect to get the girl without a complexion then o_o
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Okay, Akosha is in the biohazard box...again...only with less face this time. lol
Anyway the new Stretch goal with 38 hours to go or so is $700,000 (another $50,000 goal).
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/SW-KS-Stretch-700k.jpg)
" Morgan has decided to one up Akosha, and suit up in full Wildfire bio-hazard gear. Environmentally self contained for the most destructive of outbreaks, the suit provides enhanced protection from the strain infection. Armed with an incinerator, scanner, and advanced medpack, Morgan is ready to hunt the strain down and burn them out of Alabaster station.
If we hit this stretch, every Biohazard set gets Morgan all suited up! Ships March 2013, unpainted and unassembled!"
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/Morgan_V_final.jpg)
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The current estimate indicates envirosuit Morgan will be the first one to go MIA.
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The current estimate indicates envirosuit Morgan will be the first one to go MIA.
The Kickstarter took in $55,395 on June the 25th (24 hours), $47,390 on the 26th, $56,958 on the 27th, and $57,888 on the 28th.
And we have 38 hours to go. So it is doable. I think "The Trend" is based on the daily average across the whole campaign so far applied to the total time of the campaign. That average is $18,584 per day but includes quite a few slow days of $6,000 to $12,000.
Over the last four days the daily average was $54,407.75.
So it is an achievable goal unless we get no new backers and everyone in is already tapped out. Who knows. The rate could go up or stay the same or peter out. But the campaign "out-did " the rate required three days out of four this week by around $5,000+ a day, and came within $30000 of doing it on the slowest day.
Also supposedly these things typically speed up quite a but at the end. We'll see if this one follows the usual pattern or not.
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I think "The Trend" is based on the daily average across the whole campaign so far applied to the total time of the campaign
Obviously the slow days at the middle of the campaign will need to have at least some effect. Don't have time to find out if they publish the statistical method by which they get to the estimate or not.
If the enthusiasm keeps at near the current level, $700,000 is definitely doable. But it just might peter out too. That said, I think the current pledge level for today is better than it was for yesterday at this time and it was the best of the entire project so who knows how far this will really go.
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I'm more than happy with what I'll be getting in my Biohazard pledge. I'll be picking different stretch rewards than I'd initially planned but I think they'll be even better.
Multi-purpose sci-fi minis and a good looking game...I'm happy. Even though we have to wait until march '13. By then I might actually have some stuff painted, and it'll be like getting free stuff in the mail.
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I'm pleased as punch over this, but has anyone considered just how many miniatures we are getting here? I'm really glad these things are coming out in plastic, because if they were metal the box set would be it's own lead mountain.
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So you aren't happy you don't get to complain? ;)
Anyhoo, today's pledging broke $10,000 limit a little while ago. This is one insane Kickstarter project o_o
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Even if they dont make the goal, I hope they make Mr Vade anyways.
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Oh, I think they will get to the goal. Close to $12,500 pledged today so far... Where do all these miniature/boardgame geeks with money come from ???
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Oh, I think they will get to the goal. Close to $12,500 pledged today so far... Where do all these miniature/boardgame geeks with money come from ???
The internet, my friend, the internet. It is a wonderfully scary place.
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Are those last two figures "NOT" characters? If so, I don't know the reference. Can anyone shed some light here?
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@ supervike:
No, they are alternative (more "embattled" versions) of the sniper and medic vanguard characters from the base game.
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Are those last two figures "NOT" characters? If so, I don't know the reference. Can anyone shed some light here?
Yeah it's 'NBC Trooper guy with a flamer' , who had his own anime series , and did some work in zombie and alien sci-fi films. The other one is 'cute Robot Girl with her face knocked off who carries pistols and swords', who mostly did anime, and had a brief cameo in the terminator TV Series. :D
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I'm pleased as punch over this, but has anyone considered just how many miniatures we are getting here? I'm really glad these things are coming out in plastic, because if they were metal the box set would be it's own lead mountain.
Yep. If you just purchase the base game, it's up to 50 figures. If you go for the biohazard pledge, add in another additional 48 figures (excluding Morgan). Then tack on however many extras your purchasing. However they won't come all at once. I count that 15 of the biohazard rewards are listed for next March.
Here's the list I put together for the base game:
Kara
Morgan
Akosha
AI Drone Tank (50mm)
12 x Samaritan with Laser Rifles
2 x Female Grenadier
2 x Male Reaver Heavy
2 x Female Lancer Special
7 x Phase 1-1 Big Arms
7 x Phase 1-2 Claw Hand
4 x Phase 2-1 Stalker
4 x Phase 2-2 Quasimodo
2 x Phase 3-1 Scythe Witch
2 x Phase 3-1 Brimstone
1 x Phase 4 Grendlr (50mm base)
1 x Phase 5 Cthonian (50mm)
And my list of the biohazard reqards:
A print of the cover art signed by Mike McVey
1 x Special Edition Kara Figure In Resin
Vanguard Patch
12 x Additional Vanguard Figures
12 x Additional Strain Figures
Downloadable "Quarantine" Campaign
Downloadable "Lights Out" Campaign
3 x Additional Custom Vangaurd Dice
3 x Additional Custom Strain Dice Dice
2 x Additional Phase 3-1 Scythe Witch
2 x Additional Phase 3-1 Brimstone
How To Paint DVD
1 x Additonal AI Drone
1 x Phase 4 Grendlr (50mm base)
1 x Phase 5 Cthonian (50mm)
6 x Baby Drones (March 2013)
6 x Bonecrabs (March 2013)
1 x Keegan Kor (March 2013)
1 x Jada Lily (March 2013)
1 x Akosha, Battle Damaged Cyborg (March 2013)
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Obviously the slow days at the middle of the campaign will need to have at least some effect. Don't have time to find out if they publish the statistical method by which they get to the estimate or not.
Well the thing is the whole campaign is multimodal. It's really several piecewise functions based on input variables that change from day to day (offering prizes). A single linear or exponential trend for the whole thing is not going to predict the last third or fourth or tenth of it very accurately. Every section of it has worked differently. Unless you are at or very near a transition(singularity or inflection) between piecewise functions the rates closer to the point you want to predict probably more useful in making predictions than the using the average daily rate of growth for everything so far.
As of 2:35pm US Central (GMT -6) the total is at $692,900 with about 8 and half hours left in the day as Kicktraq counts it.
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Well the thing is the whole campaign is multimodal. It's really several piecewise functions based on input variables that change from day to day (offering prizes). A single linear or exponential trend for the whole thing is not going to predict the last third or fourth or tenth of it very accurately. Every section of it has worked differently. Unless you are at or very near a transition(singularity or inflection) between piecewise functions the rates closer to the point you want to predict probably more useful in making predictions than the using the average daily rate of growth for everything so far.
Huh?
(http://www.sinj.com/4/images/neo-architect.jpg)
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Alternate Morgan Vade with the Wildfire HAZMAT suit has just joined the Biohazard party.
The $700,000 stretch goal has been dealt with harshly. It will trouble is no more. 24 hours to go.
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/SW-KS-Stretch-781k.jpg)
"... stupid zombie Strain... grrr...
Close combat with the Strain is lethal, so Kara has decided to upgrade to her personal suit of Gnosis power armor. Built for extreme combat - with a self contained environmental envelope, internal medical systems, and enhanced tac-net connections - the Gnosis is the equalizer that the Vanguard will need if they're going put a stop to the Strain's malignant expansion."
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/SW_Kara_Gnosis_rough_s-600px.jpg)
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Great googly moogly! That sure is pretty.
Unfortunately I have given all I am going to give so it will fall to others to make this one happen.
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That sure is some spiffy looking armor. Maybe I actually do need that terrain pack.
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That sure is some spiffy looking armor. Maybe I actually do need that terrain pack.
Yes, yes you do. ;)
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Well, screw it....I thought I was done putting in, but after scoring some overtime and some extra birthday cash, I'm upping my pledge considerably.
I'm even getting me one of those 'battlebags'.... :-*
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Great googly moogly! That sure is pretty.
Unfortunately I have given all I am going to give so it will fall to others to make this one happen.
Maybe just one teensy thin little THI for $15? Just one? Oh, sir, it's only a tiny, little, thin one. It's only wafer thin. Oh, sir, just-- just one.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_olBWMg-gKaY/TDmuvl7t-lI/AAAAAAAAAPw/0y_lWn9BuME/s1600/MontyPythonsMeaningOfLifeMrCreosoteItsOnlyWaferThin.jpg)
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No, no. I shall resist!
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Well, I finaly caved in.
after filling in my tax form and having a quick check what the impact of that should be on my finances, I decided to pledge $230.
Should give me all extra figs (not interested in the opticam/glow in the dark ones or the extra dice/tiles...)
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So I'm telling my wife how far this campaign has gone and what the next goodie is. She says to me "What, now everyone gets a pony?"
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:o
I must be out of my mind. I just pledged $170 at the very last moment.
o_o
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Isn't Studio McVey a going concern rather than a start-up?
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Well, it happened. Kara in the Gnosis suit was earned for ever biohazard box, and Zombicide lost it's #2 spot.
REALLY! No kidding.
But, the new stretch goal is going after Steve Jackson's Ogre Designer Edition record and I don't think it's going to happen. I'd love to be proven wrong though. But it's asking a lot of five hours left and $838,298 on the scoreboard.
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/SW-KS-Stretch-Final-2.jpg)
"Bulkhead doors, airlocks, and walls can slow the progress of a tactical breach. Trained to use Exo-armor in tight conditions, Barker's Aphid industrial power-frame is perfect in the cramped conditions of Alabaster station. Customized with armor plating, industrial breaching tools and a close range kinesis shredder, Barker uses this suit to get to them before they can get to you. "
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/Barker_exo_2_rough.jpg)
EDIT: I misspelled edition as 'adition' and ever helpful auto-correct turned it into addition. I saw it and I fixed it. and probably messed something else up.
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Isn't Studio McVey a going concern rather than a start-up?
It's the project that's the start up with CMON Phil rather than the company.
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Just added a THI Suit in a moment of panic. Nothing so effective as the last minute grab.
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Well that was an interesting weeks holiday in Bulgaria. Had to keep popping into the hotel lobby to check the email updates on my iPhone :)
Now in for $295.... I don't think it's going to hit the last stretch unfortunately but I've thrown in the $25 (plus a bit) for the Barker figure anyway, so if it does get hit I'll just use it to buy the extra THI suit and drones that I'd quite like.
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The Kickstarter page just gave a "503: no server" error...
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The Kickstarter page just gave a "503: no server" error...
Like my momma said, "keep hitting that refresh button and eventually you'll go blind!"
I think there are 3,849 people constantly refreshing the page.
Something I didn't notice before is that the average pledge ammount is $220 but 80% of them are at the biohazard level. People must really like the extra figures. I'm only in currently for the biohazard, terrain and Ripley.
For those of you going after all the extra figures, is it the collector mentality, potential use in other games or potential ebay value that has you hooked?
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Like my momma said, "keep hitting that refresh button and eventually you'll go blind!"
I think there are 3,849 people constantly refreshing the page.
Something I didn't notice before is that the average pledge ammount is $220 but 80% of them are at the biohazard level. People must really like the extra figures. I'm only in currently for the biohazard, terrain and Ripley.
For those of you going after all the extra figures, is it the collector mentality, potential use in other games or potential ebay value that has you hooked?
I'm mainly going to get them and just see what I think when they turn up in March. Mostly I just want new Strains though Ramirez actually makes a pretty good trooper. I may trade the not-Firefly set for Barker and Aphid when I actually get my survey. Or I might just dump them into another THI suit. Or I might not.
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For those of you going after all the extra figures, is it the collector mentality, potential use in other games or potential ebay value that has you hooked?
Partly it's the 'Ooh, shiny!' rule. That said, they are all things I would consider anyway, with the possible exception of Niven Banks. $10 for two figures is a perfectly reasonable price point for something I would never buy multiples of, particularly when you consider they won't be available after the Kickstarter project (beyond a limited number appearing at probably US only conventions or on eBay). I got Banks as well mostly for the completion aspect but also because he's a proper part of the game. He might not be a core part but he is a part of the game so I figured I'd get him, the figure is pretty good and will get used in the board game and possibly in other games as well. The basic troops will see lots of use in other theatres as well as in this game. The Firefly/Calamity crew are mostly just for me though. I don't have a use for them currently outside of Sedition Wars and don't really 'feel' their inclusion within it, however they will be nice sculpts of a subject I love so I want them.
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It's not that I NEED any more figures, but part of the excitement is certainly watching that Kickstarter swell and each of the goals get chopped down. Then I think, 'Hey, I should do more to help out", the next thing you know, I'm in hot water with the Mrs.
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I'm in for Biohazard, plus $70 for extras. It's a screaming deal. Don't think it'll make the last stretch goal however, but it would be nice to be wrong.
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Even my wife has been following this campaign. The coin being dropped on the game is pretty amazing.
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Over 900k now... :o :o :o
Amazing!!
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Over 900k now... :o :o :o
Amazing!!
I know! I'm now actually wondering if it'll make it. Come on people, get me those extra figures from the money saved on Barker!
Edit: Good god, I think it's going to make that last stretch! Everytime I've refreshed in the last 15mins it's gone up by 3-4k and there's still 2hrs left and only 12k needed.
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Most funded board game ever on Kickstarter. Congrats, McVeys!
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I am amazed they made that last goal! Fantastic for them! (And for me since I get one of those cool figures!)
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Well...
It's over 925,000 now. Does that mean Barker and his exo-suit goes into the biohazard box?
BTW... I pledged at about 1400 here in Spain with 5 hours left and since then there are 400 more backers. Seems lot of folks waited till the last minute like me.
I must say that the thing that really pushed me over was the inclusion of Kara in that great look suit.
Overall, I'm not very keen on the strain minis, but given everything else included at this point, the price is well worth it.
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You get Barker in exo suit with the Biohazard level pledge, BUT he ships in March with some of the other stretch goal minis, not in November with the main game box.
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Cheers!
That's what I thought.
Now what day in November does it ship... :D
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Not long now. Suprised that there are so many pledges still at quarantine level, when for only $20 (about £14) you'll end up with simply stupid amounts of extra figures.
Very strange....
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especially with that xylops guy offering to upgrade people himself....
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Well, there we go, all done. Got the up suited Barker free in Biohazard, which means I get two THI suits and an extra pack of Drones :)
I'm always confused by the people who don't take the 'best' level. It was the same with Zombicide, there were a load of people who didn't take the $100 level and therefore missed out on a ludicrous amount of figures. The only thing I can think of is that it's people who are buying the 'board game' and aren't wargamers etc, so don't feel the need to get any of the extra figures as the core game doesn't need them.
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does seem a bit silly though when for about £14 you get almost double the miniatures plus an extended campaign etc, even if they dont use them i can see the ebay resale being quite good on them, i wonder how many bought 3 of each limited option to stick on ebay afterewards ?
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A very interesting and enlightening example of "crowd funding."
One has to wonder where this means of finance is headed and to what heights.
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Congrats to CMON and Studio McVey. Glad to be a part of it.
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Heh! I missed all the excitement. I was playing Bordelands Island of Dr. Ned with a friend on XBOX360 system link. I was sure worried when Kickstarter went down around 11:30am or so. I am AMAZED that they made that last one and beat Ogre.
EAT IT Steve Jackson! (But I love you man! Ogre and CarWars for life yo! Chiton 1! Illuminati! Microgames!)
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Just checking, but you couldn't list the additional characters that you want at the time of your initial pledge (down for $225) could you? Its only when they send you the survey isn't it (just like with Zombicide)?
Apologies if somebody has already asked.
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Yup, you have to wait for the survey in order to specify which extras you would like. Lots of goodies to choose from.
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It really was like rooting for your favorite team down the stretch there....
At the Biohazard level, it is just a stupid amount of freebies we are getting. Almost to the point of me saying 'whoa, too much!!' But, I'll gladly take them.
Those that jumped in late and knew what they were getting got of hell of a great deal, but I think those of us that jumped in early and kept getting more and more goodies added to our pile...It felt a bit like Christmas!!
Congratulations to CMON and THe McVey team. Mike and Ali McVey have been such a stalwart part of the gaming community for countless years, and I love seeing them get such huge success.
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I wasn't too keen on the, what I considered to out of context/dodgy IP goals near the end.
But, glad that got reigned in a little and looking forward to the first Biohazard parcel in Nov, followed by the 'extras' in March.
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I loved the riddick one but those last two exo suits have me pretty excited. I'm glad too that they started zeroing in on their own stuff, and that seemed very well received.
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The last two "odd" stretch goals were those achieved by "Zombicide" and "Ogre"
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I'm for "We've got movement!" which is two "Biohazard" sets.
So this November, if all goes according to plan, I'll get:
2 signed prints of the Battle For Alabaster cover art by Mike McVey.
2 limited edition Kara Black resin miniatures with stat cards.
2 Sexy Vanguard Patches
2 Boxes of the game Sedition Wars: Battle For Alabaster (50 minis, 5 double sided board-tiles, counters, cards, 6 regular D6)
2 Sets of 6 Vanguard/Strain D6 (6 total of each type)
24 extra Vanguard Troopers
24 extra Phase 1 and 2 Strain
4 extra Brimstone Phase 3 Strain
4 extra Scythe Witch Phase 3 Strain
2 extra Grendlr Strain
2 AI Hover tanks Drones
2 Extra Cthonian Strain
Then in March:
1 Painting tuotrial DVD
2 Downlodable campaigns, Solo and Biohazard
1 Dr. Susan Ridley and Strained form.
1 Niven Banks and Strained Form
1 Sgt. Ramirez and Strained Form
12 Baby AI Drones
1 Dr. Hexen Phaedrus and Proto Phaedrus Form
12 Strain Bone Crabs
1 Calamity Crew ( 4 models)
2 Keegan Kor
2 Jada "Iron" Lily
2 THI Suits
2 Battle Damaged Cyber Akosha
2 Morgan Vade in Wildfire Hostile Environment Gear
2 Kara in Gnosis Powered Armor
2 Barker Zosa in Aphid Work Suit
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Provided the World doesn't end in December that is!!
I can't wait for my stuff (just Biohazard, plus a bunch of extras).
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Isn't there the regular Barker Zosa as well for the $140K stretch goal?
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Well, that went completely crazy at the end didn't it?
ETA - BTW did anyone else get a "Amazon payment issues - Don't panic!" message? For comments it doesn't seem like it's a specific problem with my card since it didn't come from Amazon but...
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Isn't there the regular Barker Zosa as well for the $140K stretch goal?
Barker Zosa is now a standard component of the box game. He has replaced one of the standard infantry figures unfortunately.
There was an interesting post by Mike McVey during the discussione etc about the 'not x character' figures (can't think of the right word for them at the moment, too early). Two of them are actual 'canon' characters that will continue to appear in Sedition Wars products and their background story is staying, they were just given their current look for the Kickstarter only figs as an homage (there's a word that'd work!) to the things that influenced the creation of the game. Future releases will be different. For anyone that missed it, those two are:
Niven Banks - the not DeadSpace guy, future versions will of course have different armour suits.
Dr Hexen Phaedrus - the not Nine from Battlestar Gallactica. Apparently her Proto Phaedrus form is a hint at where they are headed with the Strain designs.
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Given that, it's sorta bad luck for me that I didn't cave in to either of those but I suppose there'll be time to get their less-not-X-y incarnations once they come out.
As to the "don't panic" message there was a post from Amazon saying my payment has succeeded in another mailbox so apparently the one I got from the project was indeed just a kneejerk reaction to some people getting the cold shoulder.
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suits.
Dr Hexen Phaedrus - the not Nine from Battlestar Gallactica. Apparently her Proto Phaedrus form is a hint at where they are headed with the Strain designs.
I thought she was SIX, not Nine.
But, 6 9....Her, yeah I can understand the slip...
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Heh, whoops :)
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I thought she was SIX, not Nine.
But, 6 9....Her, yeah I can understand the slip...
It's alright, you can call her Nine when she's standing on her head, or when you are.
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Seven of nine....large data storage..issues... ;)
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6 of 1, half dozen the other.
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I think this is the first "extra" miniature from B4A-KS to be seen as anything other than a concept drawing:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/studio-mcvey/studio-mcvey-find-pilot-job/
Like it otherwise but making the wrench so oversized doesn't float my boat*. It was within limits of sensibility in the concept. It's nothing a little cutting & filing won't cure but still.
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*) the BOW guy -- they seem to be very enamoured with steampunk right now -- liked it so mileages vary obviously.
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Here's all the shots of sculpts or prototypes released so far:
Dr. Hexen Phaedrus Human form
(http://users.infohell.net/~fluffy/phaedrus_1.jpg)
(http://users.infohell.net/~fluffy/phaedrus_3.jpg)
Dr. Susan Rildey and the orphan, both in Human form.
(http://users.infohell.net/~fluffy/Ridley_3.jpg)
(http://users.infohell.net/~fluffy/Ridley_2.jpg)
Jada "Iron" Lily THI pilot
(http://users.infohell.net/~fluffy/pilot_5.jpg)
(http://users.infohell.net/~fluffy/pilot_9.jpg)
Strain Necro-construct Bonecrabs
(http://users.infohell.net/~fluffy/bone_crabs.jpg)
Strain with spike arm
(http://users.infohell.net/~fluffy/test_shot_1.jpg)
(http://users.infohell.net/~fluffy/test_shot_2.jpg)
Quasimodo Strain
(http://users.infohell.net/~fluffy/test_shot_3.jpg)
(http://users.infohell.net/~fluffy/test_4.jpg)
Female Vanguard Rifleman in Samaritan Armor
(http://users.infohell.net/~fluffy/test_shot_5.jpg)
(http://users.infohell.net/~fluffy/test_shot_6.jpg)
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I'm so glad I got in on this campaign. :o
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I'm so glad I got in on this campaign. :o
And I'm so extremely sad that I skipped this one :(
The orphan-miniature is awesome!
By the way, I had to check the kickstarter page out again, just to torture myself a bit more.
I realised that Mike talks like Michael Caine...
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They look excellent, although I think Lily's head is a bit big and butch...
Reading the comments on the KS, I see others feel this way too, but was saddened to see the fanboi reply "Well, I'd like to see you do better!". Seriously, this is a commercial product, and customers should be allowed to pass comment without the being hassled by somebody who'd literally buy anything SMcV released. :?
I realised that Mike talks like Michael Caine...
Not of lot of people know that. ;)
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Everybody who cares of course knows that "Biohazard Wave 2" is currently shipping both from US and EU ends. Here's what to expect when your stuff does arrive (mine hasn't been even shipped yet or at least I haven't gotten a shipping notice):
http://thepaintingmonkey.wordpress.com/2013/09/05/sedition-wars-wave-2-unboxing/
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Thanks for the link, still waiting on mine here.
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Mine arrived yesterday - I'm not sure it's exactly as ordered (that long ago can't remember) but everything I wanted is there...I think. Crappy material and one of the figures is actually missing a foot (not broken off; "It looks melted") and lots and lots of flash and mouldlines.
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Utter shite. Wish I never backed this. Completely lost interest. Such a massive fail for Mcvey I'm sorry to saybut cmon excuses for delays have boardered on the ridiculous.
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Crappy material and one of the figures is actually missing a foot (not broken off; "It looks melted") and lots and lots of flash and mouldlines.
Ouch....bad news from someone not known for hyperbole. Is it at least the same "crappy" material as the first phase, or different?
Thanks
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Ouch....bad news from someone not known for hyperbole. Is it at least the same "crappy" material as the first phase, or different?
Thanks
Same as the first time.
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Thanks Dwartist. I'm not going to say I love the restic material, but at least it's a known quantity for me and I can work with it (albeit with extra effort and time).
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After assembling and painting the base set, I have to say that I'm happy with them, but I'm not sure that I can face painting any more. I was finding bloody mouldlines right up to the end.
The terrain set still holds my interest (when it ships...), and maybe the drones and headcrabs, but the rest are going up for sale when I get them.
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I was finding bloody mouldlines right up to the end.
I finally got a system down where I would trim the lines on the parts, assemble the figure, trim some more lines that I found, prime, then trim some more that I missed, prime again, and last, ignore the ones I would find when painting.
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...drones are quite nice though (not restic - plastic?)
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Great news!
Can't wait to receive mine. ::)
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What a waste to get top class sculpters to produce some gorgeous minis, only for the idiots involved to get them cast up in this soft plastic crap that softens all the details so horribly and is such a gigantic pain the arse to clean up.
Blehg :'(
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I finally got a system down where I would trim the lines on the parts, assemble the figure, trim some more lines that I found, prime, then trim some more that I missed, prime again, and last, ignore the ones I would find when painting.
You know... that sounds a lot like my experience lol
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What a waste to get top class sculpters to produce some gorgeous minis, only for the idiots involved to get them cast up in this soft plastic crap that softens all the details so horribly and is such a gigantic pain the arse to clean up.
Blehg :'(
This. Glad I didn't fork out for the KS.
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...drones are quite nice though (not restic - plastic?)
I gathered from the McVey forums that the drones and terrain packs were standard hard plastic, not restic.
What a waste to get top class sculpters to produce some gorgeous minis, only for the idiots involved to get them cast up in this soft plastic crap that softens all the details so horribly and is such a gigantic pain the arse to clean up.
Blehg :'(
Meh, I find this a classic example of you get what you pay for. If you take the "biohazard" pledge level, no extras and no shipping, that's $100 for 80 figures. I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly wasn't expecting top notch production quality for that price.
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I've got to say that though they take extra time to clean up (which obviously I'd prefer not to do but they aren't the only company using restic so at least I'm used to it now) I'm extremely happy with the end results once painted.
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This as posted on the McVey forum:
(http://oi39.tinypic.com/2wdt74w.jpg)
Face details look REALLY soft and the Battlestar Galactica chica has a pin head.
:-[
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blimey,they all suffering from anorexia it seems :(
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It's the restic recasting, it shrinks models by 10% or so. Sculptors need to learn to sculpt around the size loss, until then you get...well...these
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Got mine yesterday. Not impressed overall although there are some nice pieces in there. this material they are using has destroyed the whole setup for me
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Mine hasnt arrived yet but i dont look forward to have to work with that material again. In the end i'm ok with what came out of the KS but i also wont invest much into a cmon product again untill i can get an actual look at the miniatures and the material.
These are such nice miniatures, i wish i could get them in a different material :?.
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Nothing yet, can't say I'm eagerly awaiting postal drop on this.
:(
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I have to say, I do like some of the sculpts, but afgter reading the comments, I'm VERY happy I didnt invest. CMON's stuff with Zombicide was quite nice and not a great deal of flash to clean at all.
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Nothing yet, can't say I'm eagerly awaiting postal drop on this.
:(
I would normally say the anticipation of receiving the parcel outweighs the wait....not in this case :(
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Let me put it this way...
My Sedition Wars game is still in the box it was mailed in... unopened.
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are they producing the sculpts for sale individually in a less crappy material?
Bet the McVeys are embarrassed (and rich)..
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They seem have been doing limited edition style resin versions of some of their forthcoming stuff. I think they had a Commander Grist on sale at some con for example. There was also a limited run of the Samaritans that came out a few months prior to the KS announcement. I can't recall if there ever was a different material Cthonian. No idea if they are going to be making any/more of either of those at some point. All of the other core set minis are remakes of regular releases IIRC.
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are they producing the sculpts for sale individually in a less crappy material?
Bet the McVeys are embarrassed (and rich)..
Embarrassed, sure, given the posts on the McVey forum. Rich? I doubt it. Given the number of glitches and problems the campaign suffered (such as the original printer stealing money without delivering product) it may be possible that they lost money on the Kickstarter.
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It's the restic recasting, it shrinks models by 10% or so. Sculptors need to learn to sculpt around the size loss, until then you get...well...these
Really? What "restic/resin" are they using?!? Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me. Are those super skinny ones digital sculpts? Looks like what happens when you shrink a perfectly proportioned digi figure down that small, all the details disapeer and suddenly it's a "stick person", notice the KW sculpt had survived quite favourably.
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Well said.
All of these were traditional sculpts if I'm not mistaken. They just haven't translated into this awful material as well as the chunkier KW sculpts.
If mine are as bad as the ones in that photo, I'll be returning them and asking for a refund on the extras paind for them.
They look atrocious, like they're not even in the same scale.
Hope it's not as bad first hand. I'm due delivery on Friday... ???
P.s. Noticed in the thread on the McVey forum that all the models painted by Golem studio looked suspiciously like the limited resins rather than this restic shite, poor show, leads people to believe they're getting quality casts.
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I dont get it, why go with crap material over plastic? Is plastic THAT expensive??
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The molds for usual polysterene plastic are really expensive. We're talking thousands of euros for each mold.
These hybrid materials can be cast with much cheaper molds, as far as I know.
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These hybrid materials can be cast with much cheaper molds, as far as I know.
Well... that is the kind of information people need to know about before they throw money at them. >:(
Borders on fraud... wouldn't you say?
In the "All's Quiet on the Martian Front" kickstarter the designers stated up front that they needed the money to make plastic molds.
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Well... that is the kind of information people need to know about before they throw money at them. >:(
And it was. It was stated clearly that they were going to use this material, not GW style hard styrene.
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The molds for usual polysterene plastic are really expensive. We're talking thousands of euros for each mold.
This. You'd think that a Kickstarter raking in millions would warrant making molds for polystyrene, as the high price point tends to be the biggest detriment.
And it was. It was stated clearly that they were going to use this material, not GW style hard styrene.
I think the real issue was that they advertised it as being just as good with detail and as easy to work with as other materials.
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I think the real issue was that they advertised it as being just as good with detail and as easy to work with as other materials.
I believe it's fair to say that CMON pumped the "value" angle and downplayed the drawbacks of restic, but they didn't actually hide it as Ray intimated. From my perspective this is a two way street. There are plenty of pledgers who didn't dig into all of the details, but just looked at pretty pictures and followed the "shut up and take my money" meme. On the other hand CMON seems to have been happy with uninformed customers. I guess my point is that there's plenty of blame on both sides if a pledger wasn't happy with the restic material.
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The molds for usual polysterene plastic are really expensive. We're talking thousands of euros for each mold.
These hybrid materials can be cast with much cheaper molds, as far as I know.
That. You need steel molds for plastic injection molding due to the high pressures needed to keep them shut while injecting. Then there's also the problem of the temperature. There's lots of cooling circuits in those mold so the sprues would cool down evenly and not warp when extracting AND to be able to maintain a decent production cycle.
Sure you could build a mold without internal cooling but then you'd have cycles of tens of minutes. hardly productive.
At work I once heard our most expensive molds are situated in the regions of €250.000, while the average is still somewhere around €75.000
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I believe it's fair to say that CMON pumped the "value" angle and downplayed the drawbacks of restic, but they didn't actually hide it as Ray intimated. From my perspective this is a two way street. There are plenty of pledgers who didn't dig into all of the details, but just looked at pretty pictures and followed the "shut up and take my money" meme. On the other hand CMON seems to have been happy with uninformed customers. I guess my point is that there's plenty of blame on both sides if a pledger wasn't happy with the restic material.
Sorry, mate.
A supposedly reputable miniature maker of very high quality pumps out shit and... it's MY fault?
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Sorry, mate.
A supposedly reputable miniature maker of very high quality pumps out shit and... it's MY fault?
I'm with Ray on this one.
The only thing you can accuse us of is trusting said reputable miniature maker of very high quality to keep up his high standards.
Now, if he tries to raise money for a second wave and we all jump in, then you'd have a point.
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Sorry, mate.
A supposedly reputable miniature maker of very high quality pumps out shit and... it's MY fault?
Then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. I looked at the kickstarter, got excited, dug into the details, found out the material was restic and dialed back my expectations accordingly. The miniatures I received were pretty much the miniatures I was expecting.
I guess I take exception with the description that CMON were a "reputable" minis manufacturer. At the time of the sedition wars kickstarter, CMON was mostly a distributor of other peoples figures. Zombicide hadn't been delivered yet so the only existing board game with their name on was Super Dungeon Explore. If you think sedition wars was disappointing, then the first edition of super dungeon explore was even worse, with a flimsy clamshell box, terrible cards made out of inferior paper stock and yes miniatures that were at the time described as, terrible and a nightmare.
Anyone that jumped into this kickstarter on the strength of Mike McVey's reputation alone without taking into account CMON and their reputation was being naive.
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The whole thing about restic has been all over the web. There is so much information about it and the positives and negatives, that there is almost no way that you could say that you were 'uninformed' about the material... Mantic releases and those dreadful USMC troopers (WGF?) being the main products reviewed.
If it said 'resin plastic' on the Kick starter and you didn't notice then you possibly should have... it is in everyone's best interest to check the details before they put money in.
I personally don't have an issue with the material because it is a cheap material that is charged for accordingly. Yes it can have shallow detail, yes it can be bendy and yes it is difficult to clean up but for the money, you get what you pay for.
I didn't get the Sedition Wars box because I have had experience of restic and didn't feel happy to spend all the time required to clean up so many miniatures... but I have put in for Deadzone (and that has a lot of Restic troops but they seem to have deep details from what I have seen... but I have taken a risk and am prepared for the worst).
I can understand the issue if there are miscasts or the miniatures that are in the box don't reflect what has been shown as examples... but if it's just a case of 'I don't like restic' then you should have done some homework before you dropped your cash on it.
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The whole thing about restic has been all over the web. There is so much information about it and the positives and negatives, that there is almost no way that you could say that you were 'uninformed' about the material... Mantic releases and those dreadful USMC troopers (WGF?) being the main products reviewed.
That's Defiance Games, not WGF, and the USMC are hard plastic, not restic. I believe your thinking of the Chinese troops, which are a material like restic, but not exactly the same. Which points out a legitimate issue with the trend toward hybrids plastics. Every companies "blend" of restic seems to be different, with different results.
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Ummm, I'm pretty sure when I really think about it that Restic isn't a real thing, so much that its just a combination of the words resin and plastic used for marketing. Does any one know what these figures are actually made of? Are they resin, or injection moulded PVC type figures?
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Ummm, I'm pretty sure when I really think about it that Restic isn't a real thing, so much that its just a combination of the words resin and plastic used for marketing. Does any one know what these figures are actually made of? Are they resin, or injection moulded PVC type figures?
Isn't it just another type of resin that's hand poured? I don't know whether it's centrifugally cast though.
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From the best I can gather, "restic" (short for resin plastic hybrid, coined after Mantic started to use the material) is a misnomer. I've attempted to get my wife with a chemistry degree to explain it, and the subject is just horribly, horribly complicated, she starts throwing out big words from organic chemistry and my simple engineer brain starts to loose the thread. Here's what I've boiled it down to in my own mind:
1. The term "plastic" is this over-broad term that means many many materials that span a huge spectrum of products.
2. Most plastics we run into in the gaming world are not just one chemical, but are a blend of all kinds of hard to pronounce additives that effect everything from flexibility, tensile strength and melting point. While there are certain families of materials like ABS (Acrylonitrile butadiene styrene), PVC (Polyvinyl chloride), and polystyrene, they usually vary from manufacturer to manufacturer, so the polystyrene you get from a Bandai kit can be vastly different than the polystyrene from Games Workshop.
3. When most gamers say "plastic" they are usually referring to the classic polystyrene that has been used in model kits for decades. It's produced at high temperature and high pressure and requires expensive to produce steel molds. Think everything from old school Airfix to Games Workshop.
4. The "restic" hybrids come from the PVC family. They are produced in lower temperature, lower pressure spin cast molds. The molds can be, but are not limited to metal. This is the same type of casting technique that has been used for a long time in metal and resin miniatures.
The bottom line for me is that the term plastic should be ignored these days and any company using the term should be pressed for more details before you fork over any money to them.
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fair comment Inso - but having erred (and I blame nobody but myself for my bad judgement) several times I shall not do it again. no more 'restic' for me.
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I think that when we see something we like, we tend to get blinded by the pit falls... I have been guilty of this many times. It is a real shame that something that often looks great is let down by the material it is made of, or had a misleading paint job etc...
When all is said and done, the only way to deal with the situation is for us all to become more discerning... but that will never happen :D.
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Anyone that jumped into this kickstarter on the strength of Mike McVey's reputation alone without taking into account CMON and their reputation was being naive.
What utter bullshit...
People bought the stuff based on what was posted on the kickstarter page... stuff like this:
The game contains –
50 highly detailed 28mm miniatures
50 Scenic miniature bases
5 double sided full colour expandable game boards
60 page rules and scenario book
Vanguard and Strain stat cards
100+ full colour game counters
Check out the detail of these great models!
Important: figures are supplied unassembled and unpainted. Made in plastic.
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/007/447/00e31a43816b4ffa9f191d0b334a93f7_large.jpg?1338322726)
Now look at that and tell me that we weren't fucked?
And it says "plastic" not "reshit." As I said... it borders on fraud.
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Sorry guys, I pledged really early on and I always knew it was going to be the PVC type plastic. They didn't hide anything. I'd have certainly preferred the hard plastic but I knew what I was getting. They didn't say anything about Restic because there is no such thing, it's a term Mantic has used to describe theirs as it's a plastic that has some of the properties of resin, ie you can bend it when heated.
As an aside, within the modelling scene the 'difference' between a resin model (which is plastic) and a plastic model is the raw materials. Resin is made into a model by mixing two liquid chemical compounds which set into a solid. Plastic models are made by melting the raw material (which comes in little beads generally) and subjecting it to high pressure which sets it into the solid frame. PVC has a low melt point and pressure requirement, so doesn't require the molds that polystyrene needs.
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Now look at that and tell me that we weren't fucked?
And it says "plastic" not "reshit." As I said... it borders on fraud.
Were you mislead? Probably, but it sure as heck isn't fraud.
It says plastic. Restic IS plastic. It's low quality plastic, but it's still plastic. If you didn't have the experience to ask CMON what TYPE of plastic, or do the due diligence and read the comment responses in the kickstarter that stated it would be pvc, then in my opinion you do bear some of the burden for your disappointment in the figures.
I'm not sticking up for CMON, I believe they are purposefully misleading by putting the beauty shots up front and hiding any negatives in comments or updates, but the information was out there if you were willing to look.
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Ok, so they're PVC. That explains plenty. lol
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I don't know about any of the details about different types of plastics, I hadn't encountered Mantic's 'restic' before I pledged, I was just reassured by a comment from Mike Mcvey stating that the quality of the models in the game would be similar to the resin versions that I'd seen on t'interwebs immediately prior to the launch of the kickstarter.
This definately was not the case.
I feel that the use of pictures of resin versions and painted resin copies further misleads the punter.
My apologies if my lack of a chemistry degree means that I'm in some way responsible for myself and others being ripped off. ::)
edit: I should add that the gap between the greens of the add ons and the quality of the product I've seen in those photos is abismal.
I don't know if it's fraud but I sure feel ripped off.
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I don't know about any of the details about different types of plastics, I hadn't encountered Mantic's 'restic' before I pledged, I was just reassured by a comment from Mike Mcvey stating that the quality of the models in the game would be similar to the resin versions that I'd seen on t'interwebs immediately prior to the launch of the kickstarter.
This definately was not the case.
I feel that the use of pictures of resin versions and painted resin copies further misleads the punter.
My apologies if my lack of a chemistry degree means that I'm in some way responsible for myself and others being ripped off. ::)
edit: I should add that the gap between the greens of the add ons and the quality of the product I've seen in those photos is abismal.
I don't know if it's fraud but I sure feel ripped off.
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The detail on the Sedition Wars figures is better than the first Mantic restic models (some of which went in the bin, and I say that as a big fan of Mantic), but they have the same mouldline issues. Assembly gave me no problems I've not encountered many times before - I don't regard a model as a failure just because it has bent limbs that need hot water, or needs a bit of greenstuff work, or the material is difficult to glue.
I had no expectations of resin-sharp figures, and I got what I was after - a couple of decent-quality high-tech skirmish forces that look good with a bit of paint. More recent Mantic restic models also seem sharper (some of the Dreadball models I've seen), so I had no worries pledging for Deadzone.
The stuff that annoyed me was avoidable - mouldlines everywhere, tiny contact areas for glue and the tendency to put the injection points on the pegs that held the models together (and then someone in the factory snipped the whole lot off). They got it right on the machine-gunners - why not everything else?
I feel sorry for the boardgamers who bought into it - complex models to build, a badly playtested game and warped boards :(
So I'm very happy with what I got, but I can see why a lot of people are angry at the finished product.
Edit: altered to make clear that I really do like the models.
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Guys, I so appreciate all of the straight feedback. I was SO close to backing this game and just couldn't pull the trigger... I'm so glad I didnt!
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I should add that the gap between the greens of the add ons and the quality of the product I've seen in those photos is abismal
I'm going to wait until I actually see them to pass judgement, according to the dispatch notice I should be able to do so on September 18. Namely, I keep hearing terrible, terrible things about what's been delivered in the 1st wave and yet, I'm quite happy with what I've got (to a point where I even bought more Samaritans from someone who wanted to shift them for relatively cheap!!!). Mind you, I was aware that I wasn't going to be getting hard plastic from the get go, and I've even started to think I've got lucky and there could be distinct differences in quality between different patches of the 1st wave minis. But all the same, I'm not disappointed yet. May be more so late next week o_o
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I pledged when I read 'plastic' assuming, as I suppose many people did that it would be the plastic material GW use or Dreamforge. Why would I go then feel the need to check this statement at a later date to see if the casting material was different than quoted? It is, of course, correct that the material that is used (Restic for want of a better name) comes under the broad heading of 'plastic' but I still believe the original statement was misleading. For the sake of clarity I must stress that I am expressing a personal opinion and not suggesting that others should not at least try and see for themselves.
Some of the Sedition Wars figures are actually not too bad in terms of cleaning requirements but the clean-up is, for me, wearisome to say the least.
I'm not too sure about the 'soft' detail - it may paint well. I will be cleaning and painting some of the SW figures as best I can as I really do like the sculpts (and the McVeys) and willreport progress on the blog.
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I don't have a horse in this race but I've read enough bad reviews of plastic-resin models to just not want anything to do with the stuff. My only experience is with a single Finecast model and it's a horrible material to work with. Plastic-resin hasn't been tried and tested to the extent of metal or hard styrene plastic, yet I'm constantly surprised at how many new products are released in the material and are clearly not up to the quality that many people expect. I think everyone who isn't happy with something they've bought should let the manufacturers know directly. Email Studio McVey and let them know that the product is poor. I think it's very easy to ignore people bitching on a message board but a flood of emails is much harder to brush off.
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I think this is also the same material that Zombicide was made from as well. The thing that I found to be very frustrating with this type of material is that it does not glue with regular plastic glue. I bought some hgihly toxic/crazy destructive glue from Litko to go with their clear disk bases. The Zombicide plastic does not glue! I ended up having to go with super glue and some fogging....
I also found that getting the mold lines off killed my xacto blades....
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I think this is also the same material that Zombicide was made from as well. The thing that I found to be very frustrating with this type of material is that it does not glue with regular plastic glue. I bought some hgihly toxic/crazy destructive glue from Litko to go with their clear disk bases. The Zombicide plastic does not glue! I ended up having to go with super glue and some fogging....
I also found that getting the mold lines off killed my xacto blades....
Whilst I don't have any SW models I don't think they're the same material as the Zombicide pieces. Zombicide uses bendy plastic (vinyl?) to get those single piece casts. Plastic glues won't work on that material but just standard superglue works fine in my experience (at least for pinning and gluing the models to 'proper' bases).
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Whilst I don't have any SW models I don't think they're the same material as the Zombicide pieces. Zombicide uses bendy plastic (vinyl?) to get those single piece casts. Plastic glues won't work on that material but just standard superglue works fine in my experience (at least for pinning and gluing the models to 'proper' bases).
Cheers mate! I realized after trying the Litko 'burns yoru fingers off' glue and it not working, that I wasnt dealing with a regular plastic....
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Whilst I don't have any SW models I don't think they're the same material as the Zombicide pieces. Zombicide uses bendy plastic (vinyl?) to get those single piece casts. Plastic glues won't work on that material but just standard superglue works fine in my experience (at least for pinning and gluing the models to 'proper' bases).
One of these days the companies using this manufacturing process is going to have to fully explain things...
I believe Zombicide, Mantic 'Restic', Dust Tactics and Sedition Wars figures are all PVC, but different types of PVC with different flexibility properties. Judging by the mould lines I've seen on Sedition Wars, Dust Tactics and Mantic figures, they must be metal moulds (and Studio McVey posted images of early metal moulds for the SW figures). 'Plastic glue' is polystyrene cement so will not work on plastics other than polystyrene. And GW Finecast is another thing altogether, being spin-cast resin (apparently). Trollcast (and what ever mess Defiance Games turn it into) is also spin-cast, though whatever mix of materials it is, Ed is keeping to himself.
But who really knows for sure since no company is ever particularly open about the manufacturing process.
I'd say Mantic had the right idea naming PVC figures something other than simply 'plastic' though 'restic' wasn't the best idea as it confused plastic and resin- I understand the reasoning but it's still seemingly confused more people than necessary. They now actually call it 'sprueless plastic' and do mention in their product listing that it requires superglue.
It seems to me that PVC injection moulding has been happily used in board game production for a long time, but now miniatures companies are looking for ways to produce cheaper casts and PVC is what they've turned to. Wargamers expect plastic figures to be multipart like GW kits but while PVC figures are fine as single part figures for board games (or factory assembled like Dust Tactics), they're pretty horrible to deal with for the wargaming customer, compared to polystyrene plastic or metal.
Would any of the companies using PVC production chose it over 'traditional' polystyrene sprues? I doubt it. It seems like a stop gap measure for those companies that either can't afford polystyrene sprues or are stuck due to a lack of capacity for manufacture.
All the while, Games Workshop (shall we ignore Finecast as it surely must also be a stop gap measure? ;) ) are producing better and better polystyrene plastic sprues that really show what a horrible material PVC is, both in terms of the quality of figure and the preparation required by the customer.
I'll be sticking to metal I think. :D
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This is what I used on the Zombicide figures and the lexan bases:
http://www.litko.net/products/Craftics-%2333-Thick-Acrylic-Cement.html
it didnt work, probably for the reasosn you mentioned. But this glue specifially said it was menat to bond dissimilar plastics.... but not in this case.
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Andrew's pretty much hit the nail on the head. As I suspected its all PVC and the rest is marketing bumf. Whether the buying public should be expected to read between the lines though is another matter.
I'll also be sticking to metal....
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I just want to echo Stone Cold Lead and say that everyone here who was unhappy with the final product, especially those who felt deceived, should email the Studio to make a formal complaint. They're not likely to know about it on here.
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Reading comments about all these pvc(ish) minis, seeing pics etc., to me it's almost looking like a giant product testing lab, only here the human guinea pigs- instead of getting paid by the people running the tests- actually finance those tests via kickstarters. It also looks like the seemingly cheaper option occasionally ends up being more expensive and/ or labour intensive.
I think part of the problem is that neither the people buying nor the people selling these minis realised beforehand just how different to 'normal' minis these would be. Be it cleaning, assembling or painting- the material behaves different to what miniature painters & wargamers are used to and expect. You'll either have to learn a few new tricks and possibly buy some new tools or just sell off the minis.
It would have been a good thing if manufacturers had more openly explained the difference between standard polystyrene and resin and this 'new' material from the start. Though I have the suspicion they often didn't really know that themselves and that that's why there's so much shrinkage, quality issues etc. Manufacturers will have to learn a few new tricks as well.
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I think part of the problem is that neither the people buying nor the people selling these minis realised beforehand just how different to 'normal' minis these would be. Be it cleaning, assembling or painting- the material behaves different to what miniature painters & wargamers are used to and expect.
Certainly the time between the release of Mantic's Corporation figures at the end of March 2012 (the first big PVC wargames figure release?) did not leave a lot of time for customers to form an opinion on what to expect from the Sedition War figures as the Kickstarter started at the end of May 2012. However, Mike McVey is (or was) the Artistic Director (or some such title) for Mantic so presumably he knew what to expect from the manufacturing process.
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I got the campaign packet of the big game box with all the extra goodies. I was just as excited as everyone else. The first time I started working on the miniatures I was disappointed in how difficult the plastic was to work with. I cleaned and primed four minis, and I haven't done a damn thing with them since.
But...
I had unrealistic expectations. I was expecting the to get some fantastic figures for next to nothing. The deal was too good to be true. I'm annoyed with the final result, but if I step back for a moment I have no one to blame but myself. Lesson learned. I won't be buying into many more Kickstarter miniatures campaigns for a while. I certainly won't be getting anything with McVey's name on it. Sorry if this is too harsh to the creator, but he chose to put his name on the product. There are supposed to be consequences.
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Trollcast (and what ever mess Defiance Games turn it into) is also spin-cast, though whatever mix of materials it is, Ed is keeping to himself.
I had a good look at the Trollcast Judge Minty at Partizan a couple of weekends back, and it really is lovely, crisply detailed figure. I don't know whether that's a result of the material or process that TrollForged is using, or a combination, but it's clearly possible to make very nice spun-plastic figures.
The one GW Finecast figure I have is also fantastic, so they've cleaned up their act after the initial fiasco (I know, sample size of one...). GW's single multi-part plastic figures (I have the Wight King) are also amazing.
Some of the Mantic Dreadball figs that I've seen (sprueless plastic/restic/whatever) are also nice, whereas their styrene goblin archer sprue was atrocious - the detail was so poor and soft that I binned my Hammerhead freebie.
In the end, I'm happy to take a punt on the "sprueless plastic" Rebels in the Deadzone Kickstarter, but I'm even happier that the enforcers will be in styrene.
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@ Michka - I have bought metal miniatures from the McVey store and they are exceptional in both sculpt and quality. I wouldn't let the Kickstarter tarnish that and it certainly wouldn't prevent me from buying his stuff... it would be a shame to miss out on the good stuff just because of a product that was partially/mostly taken off his hands.
But it's all horses for courses. If you feel that strongly then, as you are doing, I would always say 'vote with your wallet' so I certainly can't disagree with your intent.
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I had unrealistic expectations. I was expecting the to get some fantastic figures for next to nothing. The deal was too good to be true.
well thats how they advertised their Stuff,i remember very well that Video with Mr McVey himself saying how impressed he is with the Quality of the Miniatures,while they showed us the Resin Version of the Minis >:( :-[
most recently Impact Miniatures doing the very same with their Plastic Resin Teams:
NOTE: These figures are all made from Plastic Resin NOT White Metal Pewter. We know money can be tight so these high quality detail figures let you game on but without breaking your bank.
here's the Link
http://www.impactminiatures.com/index.php?option=elfballteams (http://www.impactminiatures.com/index.php?option=elfballteams)
needles to say,the shown Minis are the expensive Metal Versions :-[
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I just want to echo Stone Cold Lead and say that everyone here who was unhappy with the final product, especially those who felt deceived, should email the Studio to make a formal complaint. They're not likely to know about it on here.
Already have.
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I got the seconnd half of my Sedation wars stuff this afternoon.
What to say.... Mixed bag really. I'm happy wth a couple of the sculpts, especially Ramirez.
The casts in general seem a bit sharper, all though this has also translated into more mold lines. I put Ramirez together and cleaned her up, what a ball ache, horrible stuff. Still persevered and I'm chuffed with wth fig.
However the Hexen and Engineer/Mechanic figs are terrible. they've shrunk so much they look more like 25s than 28s. Unusahle with the rest of the stuff IMO.
The resin alt. Kara is a nice fig, but seems very chunky next to the other stuff. The sharpness of the resin cast unortunately only serves to highlight how soft the rest of the stuff is. I also seem to to have a casting defect on this fig, specifically on the right side of her helmet there seems to be a blob where there should be a cavity behind the cheek guard.
I'm guessing that complaints and returns/requests for refunds are better directed at Cmon rather tha Studio McVey.
I will say one thing for CMON, their customer service has typically been very good, so I hope they'll be able to sort out my problems pretty quickly.
I think I will also send an email to McVey to express my dissatisfaction with the kickstarter and the game as a whole. Seems like a good idea although I find it difficult to believe that they don't already realise what a dissapointment it has been for many people. :-[
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"I'm happy wth a couple of the sculpts, especially Ramirez."
wish I could say that - she's the worst of the casts I've received (bloody misplaced her now, too!).
I've just arrived back from a week's break and had another look at the SW stuff and I have to say that not all of them are as bad as i first thought. The 'suits' look ok as does the not Firefly crew and the drones are really nicely cast (in a different plastic). have to agrre about the very small scale of the majority of them. I'll get back to you...
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No sign of my second wave yet.... ::)
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Have yet to receive mine either. I keep getting useless updates telling me that "it's on the way!" "We're working hard to..." Etc...etc..etc.. Getting tired of the Bullsh#t excuses, poor quality of my models, and rules that needed almost immediate replacement. Horrible return for my investment.
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Mine is somewhere in Sweden currently. UPS is slower than regular mail but I suppose safe for the sender :?
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I haven't even gotten a shipping notice yet.
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What I say here:
http://studiomcvey.com/forums/index.php?/topic/409-bfa-production-news-discussion-thread-wave-2-now-shipping-terrain-packs-due-september-1st/page__view__findpost__p__23450
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Still nothing through the letter box, not impressed. :-[
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Got mine today, two months after my shipping notice >:(
The terrain set is great, a fantastic start to a sci-fi scenery collection with crates, barricades, control panels, cryo-chambers and 10 nasty alien growths. And lots and lots of doors. And all in polysytrene - yay!
Resin Kara is a lovely crisp figure.
The rest are a mixed bag.
Morgan (Biohazard Suit) Kara (Battlesuit), Barker, Vokker Dargu are all OK - in size and detail they fit in with the base set (which I'm OK with).
Facecrabs are fine, but more mouldlines over fine detail...
The Calamity not-Mal and not-Jayne are OK ( a bit lacking in facial detail though).
The drones don't really do anything for me at the moment - just bits of blue plastic. Maybe painting them and getting some weathering and decals on them will make a difference, or maybe they'll end up as vaguely "scifi" detailing on a another project. I suspect the latter.
The rest are small, spindly figures with nasty mouldlines and poor facial detail. Jada, Keegan, Dr Ridley, Hexen, and not-Zoe and not-River from the Calamity crew are just poor minis.
If I hadn't bought the terrain set, I'd be feeling a bit sorry for myself right now. You know that I've defended this project, but I'm not impressed with this lot. Terrain and resin Kara are great though.
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Just got another update telling me my minis will be shipping soon! I'm sure I'll get an update in two weeks telling me their shipping soon!
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Got mine today, two months after my shipping notice >:(
In fairness they sent out a message a couple of weeks after the shipping notices were sent to apologise for that. They printed all the address labels etc for the boxes in preparation and the UPS system sent out automatic emails long before the boxes were ready.
I git mine yesterday.
I'm really disappointed with the drones. These things are supposed to be dropped by the drone tanks we already have and they aren't that much smaller.... Similar issue with the head crabs, they're huge.
The terrain set is great though!
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I have to say that what whatever I feel is substandard will go back for a refund.
It's also seriously putting me off mantic's dread zone as they've admitted to using the same plastic for their ks pledge figures, but with better quality conttol......
Here's hoping
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wow so dam happy I pulled my pledge before it ended.
It was to much for my liking... I started asking myself
Will they get it out on time? what delays would they get?
will the quality be excellent? or will it suffer due to the extra amount of minis being added?.
The Terrain set is the only thing I wish I had gotten as I could have so many uses for it now...
but will watch this and see how it all turns out..
LGW
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wow so dam happy I pulled my pledge before it ended.
It was to much for my liking... I started asking myself
Will they get it out on time? what delays would they get?
will the quality be excellent? or will it suffer due to the extra amount of minis being added?.
The Terrain set is the only thing I wish I had gotten as I could have so many uses for it now...
but will watch this and see how it all turns out..
LGW
THIS is exactly why I'm asking so many questions about Road Kill..... When there is no completed game, everything is on faith and 'understanding' and that doesnt seem like good consumerism. Lots of folks here have lamented that they should have asked more questions....
Sorry for all your troubles Mates!
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yup that's why those who do ask genuine comments like production times, possible delays, material used, or why wasn't the box set offered from day 1 etc etc...[R/K reference]
They get labelled as a Troll....
I have seen some trolls who do it to get off but there are those guys/girls who do ask the right questions.
I think from now on I will be one of those question guys but I'll say it nicely of course... Do I look like a Troll???
LGW
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On a positive note: I received my shipping notice for the second batch of stuff today. Despite all of the negativity this project has received, I'm actually very happy with the models I already have, and I'm looking forward to the rest. I've played the first edition rules and actually enjoyed the game, but do really hope that version 3 (or whatever it is now) will be much better.
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Just received my shipping notice as well.
It's also seriously putting me off mantic's dread zone as they've admitted to using the same plastic for their ks pledge figures, but with better quality conttol......
Here's hoping
I think Deadzone will come out better. Mantic has worked longer and put out more figures in restic than CMON/SMV has and I think they understand the limitations of the material better. They aren't perfect, but their process and QC seem to be significantly beyond CMON/SMV.
On the other hand, whatever factory Mantic uses has the same tendency to rip the parts off of the frames instead of cutting them. Dang it, I have several pairs of sprue nippers. Give me an address and I'll drop my spares in the mail tomorrow!
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In fairness they sent out a message a couple of weeks after the shipping notices were sent to apologise for that. They printed all the address labels etc for the boxes in preparation and the UPS system sent out automatic emails long before the boxes were ready.
This is true.
It was also a nice touch to send the updated stat cards to all the backers, and the painting DVD should be worth a watch.
The terrain set is still what made the second wave for me.
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On a positive note: I received my shipping notice for the second batch of stuff today. Despite all of the negativity this project has received, I'm actually very happy with the models I already have, and I'm looking forward to the rest. I've played the first edition rules and actually enjoyed the game, but do really hope that version 3 (or whatever it is now) will be much better.
I know someone who's already got his second Batch - and has the following to say.
The last installment of my Sedition Wars Kickstarter showed up on my doorstep today. I will start by saying the terrain will work well with my Space Hulk. They did a great job with the terrain.
Well that is about all the nice I have to say. Disappointment or even scale fail are the words that come to mind next. I am not sure how McVey let this batch of sculpts leave. At some point he had to have his hands on these final sculpts in their final production form and just hung his head in silence as the tears came streaming from his eyes freely at the failure but did not know what else to do but let them go.
This latest batch is not the same scale as the rest of the game miniatures or in anyway the same detail or quality. I will post images as soon as I can bring myself to opening some of the bags of miniatures. At this point I can't even be bothered to do that through my disappointment.
The DVD is well meh. If they can't even bother to figure out how to white balance the imagery than I fear for the rest of the video. I was expecting so much more from the video and wanted to keep hope alive. But hope is dead after skimming through it.
Needless to say I will not be buying anymore McVey anything unless I see it in person and have read reviews.
Kinda Glad I missed it, and got my fingers crossed for DeadZone (which I pledged Heavily for)
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I've heard other reports of the scale issues, and honestly I'm not that concerned. I'm interested in playing games, and have mixed 25 thru 35mm figures on the same board before. If the game is fun for everyone the scale difference is a minor quibble. As I also use my figures for multiple games, again, not a big issue. If the sculpt quality is poor however, that is a problem. I thought the first batch was good though, and remain hopeful. :)
I pledged in for Deadzone too, and I'm looking forward to that as well. So many toys and games, so little time!
As to the DVD, I've seen it and it was actually very good overall in my opinion. It's aimed at a beginning / intermediate to produce tabletop paint jobs. What your friend was actually expecting seems to be different than what it was. But to each their own I suppose.
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Received my shipping notice today. So that's good.
Funny - I opted a minimal pledge for the Deadzone KS (early bird Recon) because of the SW hassle. Ended up being a good value IMO, so I'm looking forward to it.
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I've seen a lot of "it's total crap" comments by now but personally I only have very small issues so far with the 2nd wave. That said, I've basically just perused the minis to make sure I have all the parts so things like lack of detail on faces (which mostly seems to bother the extras anyhow) or size issues haven't yet registered. Will have to try and take some comparison photos of my own on Sunday.
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Thanks. I'm interested in those pics. And in receiving my shipment.
It's a shame that an initially intriguing project has turned so 'Meh'. Nothing ruins a great idea faster than a lousy implementation.
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Meanwhile, here's a few shots of someone else's w2 stuff -- some featuring the "Calamity Crew" and other extras which won't be appearing in mine:
http://studiomcvey.com/forums/index.php?/topic/1438-kickstarter-wave-2-unboxing/page__view__findpost__p__23723
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Got my fulfillment of the "Sedition Wars" kickstarter. Come see my inadequate photography in this new post on "Dispatches from the Rim."
Here's a direct link to the post:
http://bit.ly/1bIso1g (http://bit.ly/1bIso1g)
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Got mine, in a word..... crap.
The boxed scenery set is better than the plastic miniatures, but even the box looks like a cheap knock off dvd printed sleeve u used to see at the local boot sale.
I sent an email to Mike a while back raising my concerns, only to get a very negative response in return. The response included him saying:
The same manufacturer that made the SW miniatures is making miniatures for most of the smaller companies that are doing plastics right now - and the quality of our miniatures is just as good, better I believe.
I hate to say, i completely disagree.
Looking at a large number of the bonus minis, they are poorly detailed, soft and undersized. Made even more apparent by the inclusion of the limited Kara resin. Yes I think we all appreciated that this was not going to be a box of resin minis but come on, some please admit that they got this bit so wrong.
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I'm sorry to hear that :(
It is a shame when something that offers so much, gives so little. Are the actual game miniatures OK? From what I have seen elsewhere, the troops are OK but the special additions are the ones that are crap... is that the case or is it all bad?
I hope you get some sort of satisfaction from CMON... if not Karma will sort things out...
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Me too mate, genuinely :(
Game minis are ok, samaritans are well scaled and reasonably clean. Just mould lines that are an arse to sort. The phase 2 stuff that I received Thursday not good, some quite shicking, most meh, the scenery softly detailed and just not what I expected from a company with such a prestigious name for quality.
On a personal note again I feel baf that I promoted this to people and this definitely didn't pan out as anyone expected.
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Don't feel bad... I think that they promised a lot and really turned people over.
Having seen the McVey stuff in the past, why the heck wouldn't you recommend their stuff?
CMON has really done a number on people with the shocking quality of some of these miniatures >:(
I have seen pics of the basic stuff next to the special stuff and the difference in quality and scale is a travesty. If I was in your shoes, I'd feel ripped off too.
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CMON has really done a number on people with the shocking quality of some of these miniatures >:(
CMON isn't manufacturing these, Studio McVey is. When CMON partners with a company to produce a game they don't handle design, manufacturing etc...they front some money and do distribution. It's what's made their KS projects so hard to judge. Guillotine Games (Zombicide) and Soda Pop Miniatures (Relic Knights) both have great models, and components and both were KS'ed and distributed through CMON.
The vast majority of any waiting and quality issues are in the hands of the game studio. Incredibly successful campaigns can hurt a company immensely if they're not able to scale up their production in order meet demand and schedules. That seems to be what happened here.
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After reading this thread I've looked at any future KS pledge with much more appreciation. If a well known brand like Studio McVey can make so many folks unhappy, how hard is it to trust so many unknown outfits? I'm positive Mike didnt want to trash his name and reputation by 'tricking' folks, I suspect it's that race to the bottom to get the most profit, spend the least cash and hit that sweet spot, without pissing everyone off in the process. Not an easy balancing act today....
I guess that's why, and I cant speak for others, but that's why I dropped my pledge for projects like Road/Kill and will be VERY circumspect of projects in the future.
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CMON isn't manufacturing these, Studio McVey is. When CMON partners with a company to produce a game they don't handle design, manufacturing etc...they front some money and do distribution. It's what's made their KS projects so hard to judge. Guillotine Games (Zombicide) and Soda Pop Miniatures (Relic Knights) both have great models, and components and both were KS'ed and distributed through CMON.
The vast majority of any waiting and quality issues are in the hands of the game studio. Incredibly successful campaigns can hurt a company immensely if they're not able to scale up their production in order meet demand and schedules. That seems to be what happened here.
I stand corrected... in that case, I hope the McVeys are able to rectify this terrible situation to the satisfaction of all concerned...
Apologies to CMON for my mistake there :(
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After reading this thread I've looked at any future KS pledge with much more appreciation. If a well known brand like Studio McVey can make so many folks unhappy, how hard is it to trust so many unknown outfits? I'm positive Mike didnt want to trash his name and reputation by 'tricking' folks, I suspect it's that race to the bottom to get the most profit, spend the least cash and hit that sweet spot, without pissing everyone off in the process. Not an easy balancing act today....
I guess that's why, and I cant speak for others, but that's why I dropped my pledge for projects like Road/Kill and will be VERY circumspect of projects in the future.
KS campaigns are tricky. Even companies that are REALLY good at what they do can end up losing money on them. In some cases larger pledge amounts have led directly to more money lost. I think SMV got in way over their heads. It's a shame really, they and CMON are both taking legitimate beatings over these issues. It doesn't help that we tend towards being nastier online than we might otherwise, and that tends to feed everyone else that is already on the fence, spiraling the whole thing out of control.
It definitely pays to be really discerning as a KS pledger. I tend to really dig into campaigns, and the companies that are doing the design/manufacturing. I think it's definitely saved me from feeling burned quite a few times.
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I stand corrected... in that case, I hope the McVeys are able to rectify this terrible situation to the satisfaction of all concerned...
Apologies to CMON for my mistake there :(
I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here for a moment.
CMON's face is plastered all over this. Even if they're not directly responsible for these exact issues, they're the ones that partnered to bring this product to market. They're the ones distributing it, and they're likely the more experienced partner when it comes to larger volume. My guess is that through their working relationships with other companies they know quite a bit. Hopefully they'll be able to start leveraging that to push some of their less experienced partners to be more successful than they might otherwise.
It has made me really wary about the KS's they run. If I'm not comfortable with the company doing the work, I won't touch it for more than a bit of money.
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Sorry but CMON haven't been slick for everyone in respect to customer support on this ks as youll see from the comments left on the ks page. I do wonder who lost control of what when being honest. :?
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It definitely pays to be really discerning as a KS pledger. I tend to really dig into campaigns, and the companies that are doing the design/manufacturing. I think it's definitely saved me from feeling burned quite a few times.
I hope that if nothing else, this message comes through loud and clear for future campaigns. For fun, people should go back and read the comments from the SW campaign in the last few hours. Knowing the outcome today, the giddiness as the stretch goals fell is enough to make you cringe.
I'm not bashing Kickstarter, but pledgers need to be informed and skeptical about handing over any money, even if the creator's are known actors with solid reputations. If something seems to be good to good to be true, it often is.
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I hope that if nothing else, this message comes through loud and clear for future campaigns. For fun, people should go back and read the comments from the SW campaign in the last few hours. Knowing the outcome today, the giddiness as the stretch goals fell is enough to make you cringe.
I'm not bashing Kickstarter, but pledgers need to be informed and skeptical about handing over any money, even if the creator's are known actors with solid reputations. If something seems to be good to good to be true, it often is.
I wish people understood that. Every time there's a stretch goal added to a campaign by a company that cannot add more design and production capability it's going to slow fulfillment of the product. It's that simple. Even with what appears to be a huge influx of cash from a successful campaign most studios still can't add more people to get the work done faster. I've even seen and heard of campaigns where the company said "That's it. No more stretch goals. If we add ANYTHING else we're going to miss all of our goals, time and financial." That goes a long way with me.
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Will have to try and take some comparison photos of my own on Sunday
So I took some pix but my CompactFlash card reader decided to die so can't get them out (indeed, it may have burned the entire card on it's way to kingdom come but that remains to be seen).
(http://www.slapupsidethehead.com/wp-content/media/2007/02/timely-court-decision.jpg)
That said, I'm still pretty happy with what I've got. Must've gotten lucky again if teh Interwebz is to be believed. No "huge amounts of flash", massive mould lines or miscasts found at closer inspection either (there is more flash than in wave 1 but it's not excessive). The size issues seem negligible to non-existent for the most part, I suppose those mostly plague the extra minis or something. An unfortunate exception is "Cyber Akosha". Oddly, she appears to be taller (especially leggier) but thinner than the wave 1/boxed game version. Some weird shrinkage in horizontal but not in vertical dimension? o_o
Anyway, no more from on this until I get the pix out of the card or can take new ones if the card's a goner too.
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Sorry but CMON haven't been slick for everyone in respect to customer support on this ks as youll see from the comments left on the ks page. I do wonder who lost control of what when being honest. :?
Agreed.
And on top of that I'm pretty sure CMON had more in-put on this one than perhaps other projects. For starters Studio McVey is UK based, if you look at the postage/shipping it is quite clear that CMON had a lot to say about that. The product was produced for CMON, not McVey in that sense. Also going by that, and I am using logic here, that CMON also sourced the manufacturer to suit their demands.
If McVey had done it in their own right I suspect that they may have looked at more traditional plastic and perhaps not so many stretch goals. That is my thought anyway. There are good production companies in the UK or Europe such as Renedra who can produce good quality miniatures. Is it realistic to believe that Studio McVey would have sourced companies closer to the US if it was just their KS? I somewhat doubt it.
So CMON has a LOT to answer for in my books.
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That.
Also look at dreamforge in respect to quality of plastics from a Chinese producer, so it can be done and done well IF you maintain control of course.
And they even include an instruction sheet as standard not a stretch goal comment.
Wow
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That.
Also look at dreamforge in respect to quality of plastics from a Chinese producer, so it can be done and done well IF you maintain control of course.
While I love my Dream Forge kits, and wish SW had gone in that direction, I don't think that is a fair analogy for two reasons. First, The Dreamforge KS didn't have any associated game components, so DFG didn't have to pay for boards, tokens, dice, cards or any of the rules development. Second, the creator Mark Mondragon has stated that the kickstarter funds didn't cover all of the mold production costs and that Wargames Factory is fronting some of the tooling costs hoping to make it up with non-kickstarter sales on the back end.
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Got myself a new card reader and managed to upload the pix I took of Wave 2 minis. The photos didn't turn out very well unfortunately (it was a very dark day when I tried to photograph them) but you'll get the idea of the size issues at least.
The Akoshas were shot with flash, the rest without. None of the Wave 2 models have been cleaned, repositioned or prepared in any way.
http://heros.netai.net/pix/Akosha.jpg
http://heros.netai.net/pix/Vokker-Keegan.jpg
http://heros.netai.net/pix/Wade-Pilot.jpg
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You should post that Akosha picture on the Studio McVey forums. Folks who thing the scale difference isn't an issue may get their eyes opened. That is just dreadful and I am amazed (and disappointed) that Mike McVey approved the sculpt and castings.
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Got myself a new card reader and managed to upload the pix I took of Wave 2 minis. The photos didn't turn out very well unfortunately (it was a very dark day when I tried to photograph them) but you'll get the idea of the size issues at least.
The Akoshas were shot with flash, the rest without. None of the Wave 2 models have been cleaned, repositioned or prepared in any way.
http://heros.netai.net/pix/Akosha.jpg
http://heros.netai.net/pix/Vokker-Keegan.jpg
http://heros.netai.net/pix/Wade-Pilot.jpg
:o :'( :o Wow...these are rather shockingly bad!
Blue
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+1 on what the Cpt. and Blue said.
That Akosha figure is just terrible.
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It certainly is noticeable, and I can definitely understand how people are upset about it. Akosha is definitely the worst offender of them in those photos. It's a bit of a shame, but for my own gaming I'm still happy with what I got. I know not everyone is or will be, and it really would have been in Studio McVey's interest to delay things again and try to match the original release. Changing mid-product (since people think of this as all part of Sedition Wars: BfA) was a poor decision.
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Worked out that $80 worth of extras will be going back as they're shite.
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You should post that Akosha picture on the Studio McVey forums. Folks who thing the scale difference isn't an issue may get their eyes opened.
Cyber Akosha is clearly rather badly off the scale and style with the original. The rest aren't nearly so bad as some people complain tho. New iterations of other characters are reputedly smaller than the originals but I can't really vouch for that. Still, the originals were all quite big, probably "heroic" in scale so I'm not too miffed that the new ones are a bit smaller.
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Got mine as well. The terrain set has softish detail and some bad pock marks on the sides of the single doors but are still all incredibly useful. The special character minis that I payed extra for I'm pretty dissapointed with their skinnyness and lack of even vaguely matching scale with the other minis from the game or any other range of minis :( was really looking forward to the not Firefly crew and the not Ripley and Newt which looked great in concept art and nothing but dissapointment in plastic :(
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Well... I decided to open the two boxes I had from the KS today and have a look.
Actually, they aren't bad. A couple minis had some wholes in them, but no real big deal.
Surprisingly, I'm satisfied.
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Guess I'm one of the overlooked plegers. Contacted CMON and got a quick reply from CMON/Battlefoam UK that my package should be send today or else monday. Now waiting patiently for my package slip and the goodies...
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Guess I'm one of the overlooked plegers. Contacted CMON and got a quick reply from CMON/Battlefoam UK that my package should be send today or else monday. Now waiting patiently for my package slip and the goodies...
Oh, that probably means I'm overlooked too.
Been expecting it for days now.
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So far I've only had time to put together a few of the wave 2 items. The hurley drones are very nice. I'm not sure why they're the only ones done in that blue plastic, but they are excellent.
I've also cleaned up and put together all of the bone crabs. These things have pretty prevalent mould lines, made worse by the fact that they have lots of legs. Once cleaned up the look good. Over the top disgusting, but good. I do wish the tails were a little heavier, because they're quite fragile to bending and having stress marks.
The last items I tackled were Ramirez and her necroform. My casting of the necroform was almost flash-free and had good detail. I'm not thrilled with the pose though. The Ramirez figure herself was a nice cast, only a little flash on the one side of her neck and on her leg armour. The joints between her body and gun piece were much easier to deal with than the original Samaritans. In my opinion she looks fine mixed in with a squad of Vanguard. She's thinner for sure, but doesn't look out of place to me.
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Is anyone else missing the free Volker we were supposed to get for not getting our resin Kara with the first shipment ?
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I'm also still be waiting for the postman...
Although i get the feeling that I'm not going to be that pleased with the culmination of something i paid for a year ago?
And i do feel sorry for Mike McVey.... sort of...
It sounds like has become a modern day Bjorn Borg....
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Is anyone else missing the free Volker we were supposed to get for not getting our resin Kara with the first shipment ?
I seem to recall it was to make up for the delays, actually. But anyhow, I've heard of some who didn't get it. It was most often missing from early packages send from the European end IIRC. Nothing to do about it but to complain to CMON and/or Studio McVey.
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And i do feel sorry for Mike McVey.... sort of...
It sounds like has become a modern day Bjorn Borg....
I don't. After the response I got from him when I emailed. Yes I think he got shafted by COM, but whose project was it in the first place and where was the quality control?
If he was that bothered regarding hs reputation he should've maintained better levels of control.
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Had you been drinking when you wrote the above Vyper lol.
Like you said, fuck McVey, he put his name to it, he should have made damn sure the quality was there.
Guillotine games got into bed with CMON for Zombicide, I haven't heard anywhere near so many complaints there.
I don't buy this CMON is the big bad guy routine, didums didums. The guy chose his partners, his name's on the box, his baby, his responsibility.
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No mate. Just android phone and sausage fingers! :D it was the 'what did you expect for your money' statement I received in my email that really pissed me off. Also the woe is me, how do you think I feel!!! Response I got too.
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